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Biggest Wave · February 2009

Soulfire42 wrote:

Turning the Message Pit into paid content is just not right and it does damage to the fanbase in the process.

Good.
Maybe some of them will give up their membership and it will make my 181xxx number that much better.

funnygirl · February 2009

Biggest Wave wrote:

Soulfire42 wrote:

Turning the Message Pit into paid content is just not right and it does damage to the fanbase in the process.

Good.
Maybe some of them will give up their membership and it will make my 181xxx number that much better.

Well said.....

SOLAT319 · February 2009

skyeriverwinter wrote:

Do you honestly think that Ed or any other member of the band doesn't know about this or hasn't had some part in putting this in place? They have reasons...

I'd be interested to find out what those "reasons" are.

SPEEDY MCCREADY · February 2009

funnygirl wrote:

Biggest Wave wrote:

Soulfire42 wrote:

Turning the Message Pit into paid content is just not right and it does damage to the fanbase in the process.

Good.
Maybe some of them will give up their membership and it will make my 181xxx number that much better.

Well said.....

great....

the 2 of you can now move 2 seats to the left....

hehehehe...........

SOLAT319 · February 2009

Biggest Wave wrote:

Soulfire42 wrote:

Turning the Message Pit into paid content is just not right and it does damage to the fanbase in the process.

Good.
Maybe some of them will give up their membership and it will make my 181xxx number that much better.

I'd hate to break it to you but your 181 number will never be good enough that you'll be close enough to the stage to even make out the faces of the band members (and you can pretty much forget about seeing Boom at all) Unless of course there is a lottery. So, kneel down and start praying my child

nothingman81 · February 2009

I had no idea what was going on either. Fortunately, I have other focuses in life, but occasionally I feel inspired enough to post. When I couldn't I was confused and slightly frustrated. It wasn't until I read this original post that I knew what was going on. It would be nice to be able to merge my old "poster" account with my TenClub account, but I'm sure that will be figured out eventually.

NewJPage · February 2009

SOLAT319 wrote:

Biggest Wave wrote:

Soulfire42 wrote:

Turning the Message Pit into paid content is just not right and it does damage to the fanbase in the process.

Good.
Maybe some of them will give up their membership and it will make my 181xxx number that much better.

I'd hate to break it to you but your 181 number will never be good enough that you'll be close enough to the stage to even make out the faces of the band members (and you can pretty much forget about seeing Boom at all) Unless of course there is a lottery. So, kneel down and start praying my child

that is completely false. i have a 192xxx number and have had 5th (twice), 7th, and 9th rows for shows...plus a bunch of other times where they have been damn close to that...and that's before this past lottery tour.

and the one benefit i have defintaly seen since the board changed is that we have a LOT less shitty, negative, crap posts here (see red mosquito for that)...plus those "hey, i just realized that times of trouble and footsteps sound alike. why is that?" posts are gone. if they had two separate posting places for paying and non-paying people, then the non-paying place would be lame as hell and people would complain that they couldn't get into the good board. so for now, i think things are fine as they are. you said that you didnt think you were getting enough out of your membership to make it worth it to you, which is fine. but it seems that being able to post on the board is important to you, so maybe having a membership is a good thing??

SOLAT319 · February 2009

NewJPage wrote:

and the one benefit i have defintaly seen since the board changed is that we have a LOT less shitty, negative, crap posts here (see red mosquito for that)...plus those "hey, i just realized that times of trouble and footsteps sound alike. why is that?" posts are gone.

Yeah, because there are no assholes who are also TenC members. If someone's a member, oh my GOD, then they MUST be talking sense.
About the seating, you were apparently NOT at Hartford last Summer.

Also, no reason to throw shit at new fans. A TenC member with a 400XXX number might be asking that exact same question about Times of Trouble and Footsteps. See, this is the exact elitist fandom shit that I hate the most. Please don't alienate people just because they haven't discovered the band in 1991.

vedderfan10 · February 2009

Soulfire42 wrote:

Turning the Message Pit into paid content is just not right and it does damage to the fanbase in the process.

That's right...they don't ever get any new fans...

People seem to have a problem with change...for whatever reason, the free message pit was becoming too much of a free-for-all of negativity and personal attacks. I am soooo glad that most of that seems to be gone now...

And as I said before...complain to the band, etc. about your woes. Complaining to fans is ridiculous...

Go start your own facebook group about how much you hate the Ten Club and be miserable with other people there - it's free!

NewJPage · February 2009

SOLAT319 wrote:

NewJPage wrote:

and the one benefit i have defintaly seen since the board changed is that we have a LOT less shitty, negative, crap posts here (see red mosquito for that)...plus those "hey, i just realized that times of trouble and footsteps sound alike. why is that?" posts are gone.

Yeah, because there are no assholes who are also TenC members. If someone's a member, oh my GOD, then they MUST be talking sense.
Also, about the seating, you were apparently NOT at Hartford last Summer.

no, i was not at hartford, and where your seats are definitely depends on the venue/city, so a big draw place like hartford will surely push you seat back...

and yes, there are always going to be assholes. i'm just saying that a lot of the trolls are gone, and, in general, while the board may not be as busy/active, i think the discussion that DOES take place is of a higher quality and of more interest to the hardcore people like us that use this board.

NewJPage · February 2009

SOLAT319 wrote:

NewJPage wrote:

and the one benefit i have defintaly seen since the board changed is that we have a LOT less shitty, negative, crap posts here (see red mosquito for that)...plus those "hey, i just realized that times of trouble and footsteps sound alike. why is that?" posts are gone.

Also, no reason to throw shit at new fans. A TenC member with a 400XXX number might be asking that exact same question about Times of Trouble and Footsteps. See, this is the exact elitist fandom shit that I hate the most. Please don't alienate people just because they haven't discovered the band in 1991.

and my point was not to sound like an elitist, it was just to use that as an example of the SAME CRAP that would get posted DAILY on the old board. seriously, about every other post on the old board was complete rubbish, where now only one out of 4 is

SOLAT319 · February 2009

NewJPage wrote:

seriously, about every other post on the old board was complete rubbish, where now only one out of 4 is

I'll have to agree with that.

Ledbetterman1O · February 2009

Soulfire42 wrote:

Now wait a minute... I know this band pretty well. I know the philosophies that drive and motivate the band members. And I can't help but think they would call bullshit on this one.

The band you know well is Pearl Jam circa 2000. They were a band who charged $35 for concert tickets because their albums sold well.

The band you seem unfamiliar with is Pearl Jam circa 2009. They're a band who charge $85 for concert tickets because their albums don't sell well.

Ledbetterman1O · February 2009

NewJPage wrote:

no, i was not at hartford, and where your seats are definitely depends on the venue/city, so a big draw place like hartford will surely push you seat back...

Hartford's a big draw? In that case, everywhere PJ plays is a big draw.

My fanclub number is 189xxx. I've never been closer than the 15th row and I've been as far back as behind the divider at MSG. The whole thing is a crapshoot and I, like you, hate when people complain about their fanclub seats.

yellowporch · February 2009

This is coming from someone in the 400,xxx range. First things first: IF you don't like what the Ten Club gives you...nobody is pulling your arm to buy a 20 dollar membership. You don't have a use for albums, you don't like e-mail updates, not a poster collector...that's fine I respect that. I have a BUNCH of friends who love pj and aren't members but they also don't lose sleep at night knowing they can't post on their forums. As you said you were a webmaster, and with a free forum comes more traffic. However, some traffic is negative/redundant. I'm not trying to sound pompous or anything but there were a lot of questions on the old forum that would be asked 5 times a day. I didn't post much and I still don't but this is valid.
Bottom line = If the club isn't working for you than don't buy it. This isn't a huge expense and I understand if you have to put things before the band. However, the "countless voices" your leading can still go in to the goods section and pay the fee. I'm not giving in to society, or establishment etc. Good luck man I understand where you're coming from on SOME points, I just feel like it's a battle that won't be won.

NewJPage · February 2009

Icky Thump wrote:

NewJPage wrote:

no, i was not at hartford, and where your seats are definitely depends on the venue/city, so a big draw place like hartford will surely push you seat back...

Hartford's a big draw? In that case, everywhere PJ plays is a big draw.

My fanclub number is 189xxx. I've never been closer than the 15th row and I've been as far back as behind the divider at MSG. The whole thing is a crapshoot and I, like you, hate when people complain about their fanclub seats.

hartford is a big draw. there are about 10 giant cities within 3 hours of it. i have gotten my great seats at venues that are a bit out of the way... (thunder bay, nashville, grand rapids, rapid city). my seats do get much worse at high-demand venues, like the united center or mansfield, but they have always been at least decent. never ventured into that MSG clusterfuck, however, which is obviously the worst in the world for fanclub seats...

Soulfire42 · February 2009

yellowporch wrote:

This is coming from someone in the 400,xxx range. First things first: IF you don't like what the Ten Club gives you...nobody is pulling your arm to buy a 20 dollar membership. You don't have a use for albums, you don't like e-mail updates, not a poster collector...that's fine I respect that. I have a BUNCH of friends who love pj and aren't members but they also don't lose sleep at night knowing they can't post on their forums. As you said you were a webmaster, and with a free forum comes more traffic. However, some traffic is negative/redundant. I'm not trying to sound pompous or anything but there were a lot of questions on the old forum that would be asked 5 times a day. I didn't post much and I still don't but this is valid.
Bottom line = If the club isn't working for you than don't buy it. This isn't a huge expense and I understand if you have to put things before the band. However, the "countless voices" your leading can still go in to the goods section and pay the fee. I'm not giving in to society, or establishment etc. Good luck man I understand where you're coming from on SOME points, I just feel like it's a battle that won't be won.

There's nothing lacking reason in the above post. I too realize that I'm trying to wage a battle which may prove fruitless, but I still feel like I'm at least trying to fight the good fight for what I believe is in the best interest of fans and the band.

I think a perfectly reasonable way to attract new fan participants and to give "old hands" their space too is to leave the old message pit as it was and create this new one as a 10 Club added benefit. That's an additional benefit to fan club members that many may choose to pay for while taking nothing away from others. I fully comprehend not wanting to have to sift through some of the garbage posts (posters posts were my personal pet peeve toward the end of the old board). I don't feel like the gains some have stated have been made by the new board justify the losses in the process. Essentially the largest gathering of Pearl Jam fans was gutted. A part of it may live on, but I'd hope that PJ fans would have come together with a more unified voice and compassion for each other to make more of an outcry against this decision.

I'm personally thankful to any of those who may have posted something similar to my grievance or who tried to defend those who now find themselves voiceless in Pearl Jam's largest gathering outpost.

To the person talking about me only being familiar with PJ circa 2000... well, I disagree. But more and more I will agree that this band's external affairs appear to more closely resemble acts like the Rolling Stones than what we were once familiar with as their roots. I understand evolution, baby.

But there's a good evolution and a bad one. Muting fans and charging them to have a voice in the largest online fan gathering = a bad one. That's my stance and I probably don't have much more to say on the topic. I got it off my chest, I'm not crying myself to sleep, but I will continue thinking that a large portion of fans have been directly screwed by greed and the 10 Club or somebody else making poor decisions.

100 Pacer · February 2009

NewJPage wrote:

Icky Thump wrote:

NewJPage wrote:

no, i was not at hartford, and where your seats are definitely depends on the venue/city, so a big draw place like hartford will surely push you seat back...

Hartford's a big draw? In that case, everywhere PJ plays is a big draw.

My fanclub number is 189xxx. I've never been closer than the 15th row and I've been as far back as behind the divider at MSG. The whole thing is a crapshoot and I, like you, hate when people complain about their fanclub seats.

hartford is a big draw. there are about 10 giant cities within 3 hours of it. i have gotten my great seats at venues that are a bit out of the way... (thunder bay, nashville, grand rapids, rapid city). my seats do get much worse at high-demand venues, like the united center or mansfield, but they have always been at least decent. never ventured into that MSG clusterfuck, however, which is obviously the worst in the world for fanclub seats...

i decided this past summer's tour was the one for which i'd dare to venture into MSG clusterfuck territory with 10C tickets, and i was surprised when i receive virtually identical 10C seats for both MSG shows (16th row on the floor). obviously demand will be higher in the larger markets as opposed to the smaller ones, but regardless of the venue/city, 10C tickets are for the most part the better route,...of course there are exceptions to every rule hehe

100 Pacer · February 2009

Soulfire42 wrote:

There's nothing lacking reason in the above post. I too realize that I'm trying to wage a battle which may prove fruitless, but I still feel like I'm at least trying to fight the good fight for what I believe is in the best interest of fans and the band.

i think the thing to remember is that it's not so much a battle as it is playing by 10C's rules. the 10C can't please every single member, and quite frankly they don't have to - let's face it, we're impossible to please

in all seriousness, the band, via the 10C, taking direct ownership of the message-board and instituting specific terms and conditions is entirely at their discretion. fans, 10C members and non-members alike, can either accept or reject those terms and conditions. the band and 10C will decide what is or isn't in their best intersts, and there's very little that can be done otherwise,...

South of Seattle · February 2009

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

LukinFan wrote:

irieinindy wrote:

So if I understand correctly, you do not want to be a member of 10C, because you didn't receive enough for your money, correct? And now your pissed because posting on the board is for members only.
I would suggest that you consider the reason the board has been open to members only, MAYBE THEY WANT TO GIVE US MORE EXCLUSIVE INFORMATION ON THE UPCOMING TOURS, INFO THEY HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO GIVE US IN THE PAST BECAUSE EVERYONE AND THEIR BROTHER WAS ON HERE!!!

And honestly you lost all creditability for me when you started your complaint about your Christmas gift, seriously I believe Eddie would shutter at people like you, who just want to bitch about anything! It's $.05 a day to be a member of the very best fan club there is, and I am proud to be a member! :evil:

well said

i dont get it...

what does having people pay to be a member of a forum......and giving out exclusive information....

have anything to do with each other????

what does having 100 people on your forum and 1,000 people on your forum have to do with exclusive information????

i dont get it...........

who cares if everyone and their brother was here????

i dont get it...........

Especially when all it takes to get insider information to another forum is this:

-Highlight information
-Control C
-go to another PJ message board
-start new thread
-control V

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