Will the Moving Train ever pick up Steam???

tybird · January 2009

"decides2dream wrote:

doubt you'd be too jealous of the monthly cost! :shock:
thankfully, i at least get to have a percentage of the cost taken from my pre-tax earnings, so that's a nice commuter bonus.

it does seem like the MT lost quite a few of it's regular posters, but who knows...perhaps they'll return, rejoin...and/or new posters will come into the fold?

True about the cost....especially since my commute is about 10 minutes if the red lights do me right.

decides2dream · January 2009

tybird wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

doubt you'd be too jealous of the monthly cost! :shock:
thankfully, i at least get to have a percentage of the cost taken from my pre-tax earnings, so that's a nice commuter bonus.

it does seem like the MT lost quite a few of it's regular posters, but who knows...perhaps they'll return, rejoin...and/or new posters will come into the fold?

True about the cost....especially since my commute is about 10 minutes if the red lights do me right.

once upon a time, my last teaching psoition - i had a 5 minute commute, less than 1 mile....2 traffic lights. now, hour fifteen, train/walking.....ah how things change! and so it goes...

Drowned Out wrote:

Message board activity is cumulative (can't think of a better way to word it right now )...
If it's slow all the time, people will check in and post less frequently....if it gets busier, people are more likely to participate and check back more often...I think without a tour or new album stat, this place will only get less active.
I agree - brutal decision to pull the non-members' privileges...I always give 10C the benefit of the doubt, but I think this was a serious misstep. Without any explanation, it's pretty tough to swallow. I think the free board was integral to building such a loyal following; non-members helped keep it busy enough to make it worth coming to the board...seems like a bit of a slap in the face....I've gotta admit...the almighty $ seems to be the only explanation...never thought I'd say that in regards to PJ

hey there!

i dunno...i still just don't believe it's about the $$$. may well be, but i guess i don't want to see it. i think, perhaps, they actually prefer less here, less to manage board-wise....and moreso i see it as them thinking it's offering MORE to 10c members, some 'exclusivity' or whatever. do i agree with? no. however, i just don't see how it at all actually makes them more $$$.....although maybe it saves a few bucks somehow. all guesses. i still think come tour time,this place will pick up big time!

Drowned Out · January 2009

decides2dream wrote:

hey there!
i dunno...i still just don't believe it's about the $$$. may well be, but i guess i don't want to see it. i think, perhaps, they actually prefer less here, less to manage board-wise....and moreso i see it as them thinking it's offering MORE to 10c members, some 'exclusivity' or whatever. do i agree with? no. however, i just don't see how it at all actually makes them more $$$.....although maybe it saves a few bucks somehow. all guesses. i still think come tour time,this place will pick up big time!

Hi!
I hope you’re right about tour time, and there are def benefits to the new board…there are some great new features, and it would probably give them more oversight regarding scalping, poster flipping etc to have user accounts tied to memberships… …Maybe they’re saving some cash, maybe they thought it would be too pricey to incorporate the changes for everyone…but I wouldn’t be surprised if they thought all of the regs would pony up if they weren’t members…’it’s only $15 a year, these people are here everyday…they’ll pay to post’ kinda thing…
I would hope that they’d want the board to be as busy as possible…it looks to me like they’ve hired some moderating help (global moderators?), so I don’t think handling the volume should have been a big concern…if money wasn’t the motivation, some kind of explanation would have helped to dispel that nagging thought…
Like I said…I always give the 10C the benefit of the doubt, and I have NEVER had ANY issues with them on a personal or business level…I think they do a helluva job…but I just don’t understand why they’d undermine the grassroots of their fanbase. It’s not like all of the non-members on the old board were non-fans…I know of many people that shared memberships with spouses or could get better seats thru the 10C members they attended shows with, so they never bothered to get their own number….

decides2dream · January 2009

Drowned Out wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

hey there!
i dunno...i still just don't believe it's about the $$$. may well be, but i guess i don't want to see it. i think, perhaps, they actually prefer less here, less to manage board-wise....and moreso i see it as them thinking it's offering MORE to 10c members, some 'exclusivity' or whatever. do i agree with? no. however, i just don't see how it at all actually makes them more $$$.....although maybe it saves a few bucks somehow. all guesses. i still think come tour time,this place will pick up big time!

Hi!
I hope you’re right about tour time, and there are def benefits to the new board…there are some great new features, and it would probably give them more oversight regarding scalping, poster flipping etc to have user accounts tied to memberships… …Maybe they’re saving some cash, maybe they thought it would be too pricey to incorporate the changes for everyone…but I wouldn’t be surprised if they thought all of the regs would pony up if they weren’t members…’it’s only $15 a year, these people are here everyday…they’ll pay to post’ kinda thing…
I would hope that they’d want the board to be as busy as possible…it looks to me like they’ve hired some moderating help (global moderators?), so I don’t think handling the volume should have been a big concern…if money wasn’t the motivation, some kind of explanation would have helped to dispel that nagging thought…
Like I said…I always give the 10C the benefit of the doubt, and I have NEVER had ANY issues with them on a personal or business level…I think they do a helluva job…but I just don’t understand why they’d undermine the grassroots of their fanbase. It’s not like all of the non-members on the old board were non-fans…I know of many people that shared memberships with spouses or could get better seats thru the 10C members they attended shows with, so they never bothered to get their own number….

i agree it's a surprising decision, and it definitely would be helped with other info...but they haven't presented any, so we're just left guessing. obviously, 10c/pj ARE about making $$$, but i always thought the band and the club went about it in a fair, classy, respectful way....and i just can't imagine it changing today. of course i know it could....i just can't picture it. :P

even with the old board open to all, i'd guess 90% of the 10c members DIDN'T post on the board, at all....or sporadically at best. this is always evidenced by the multitudes of fanclubbers ahead of me at shows, the convos, and yea...most are like...huh? when mentioning the board.

so since this appears such a 'niche' place, i just think they want their actual members to get more involved, and/or just keep it easier to maintain, etc. course, it's all just opinions.....but eh well, who knows?

i really do think tho, new album news......tour news...this place will get busy. perhaps it won't ever be like it once was, but what ever is? i think right now it's still all so 'new'...and in the growing pains stage.

soulsinging · January 2009

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Okay, SS,
now you have me reading Wilson's book, goddmanit.

Here is another great tidbit for you:

What's THAT smell like to ya?

And a couple of paragrahps below that, is this:

It smells to me like an interesting contradiction... that we're supposed to believe any politician that says there's some sort of shadowy conspiracy and disbelieve any politician that says otherwise because it means they must be part of it... one of those irrefutable logical fallacies. All denial and evidence is false because it's seen as evidence of the conspiracy, all circumstantial evidence in support of evidence is truth because it's the best we can hope.

I've no doubt rich people collude to their mutual benefit because they have a lot of the same interests. In the same sense, the urban poor collude because they have the same interests. The difference is the former are better organized and have greater influence ddue to their resources.

But as to some international, inter-generational conspiracy of cloaked and hooded men manipulating every single government that has ever existed throughout history... that's a bit much to take on a vague quote from Woodrow Wilson about how rich people are all trying to help each other get richer. When did the conspiracy start... what was its role in China in the 15th century? If you're going to tell me the same group of crazy people have ruled the world forever, you've got to give me more than that fact that western capitalists try to band together to protect their money.

DriftingByTheStorm · January 2009

soulsinging wrote:

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Okay, SS,
now you have me reading Wilson's book, goddmanit.

Here is another great tidbit for you:

What's THAT smell like to ya?

And a couple of paragrahps below that, is this:

It smells to me like an interesting contradiction... that we're supposed to believe any politician that says there's some sort of shadowy conspiracy and disbelieve any politician that says otherwise because it means they must be part of it... one of those irrefutable logical fallacies. All denial and evidence is false because it's seen as evidence of the conspiracy, all circumstantial evidence in support of evidence is truth because it's the best we can hope.

I've no doubt rich people collude to their mutual benefit because they have a lot of the same interests. In the same sense, the urban poor collude because they have the same interests. The difference is the former are better organized and have greater influence due to their resources.

But as to some international, inter-generational conspiracy of cloaked and hooded men manipulating every single government that has ever existed throughout history... that's a bit much to take on a vague quote from Woodrow Wilson about how rich people are all trying to help each other get richer. When did the conspiracy start... what was its role in China in the 15th century? If you're going to tell me the same group of crazy people have ruled the world forever, you've got to give me more than that fact that western capitalists try to band together to protect their money.

Look,
i'm not going to go in to a deep argument with you over this. I am certainly not going to try to support an argument regarding a "conspiracy of the ages", since i think that is WAY off topic. What we are talking about here (i THOUGHT) was a MODERN "conspiracy" ... one that perhaps got its roots from the REAL "illuminati" born out of 18th century Bavaria ... a plan for global hegemony by industrialized civilization in the control of the upper crust of western society.

If you don't believe that such "coalition" of souls exists, i don't know what to tell you.
I can only say that from my own personal study of Wilson, it seems he was a confused and conflicted man to say the least. He seemed to very much understand that men in big business (oil, steel, and banking) were in a cabal to control the outcomes of "democratic" governments, but he also seemed to be ignorant of, in on, or misguided in his support of many of their own ambitions. For instance, he gave us the income tax, the Federal Reserve, and he tried to give us the League of Nations. My personal take is that Wilson was a reluctant member of his class -- often doing the bidding of his peers -- but just as often putting down his own personal rebuttal of their aims in print for history to judge.

I care not to debate your assumed "logical fallacy" which seems to hold it as a unbending truth that honest men can't be coerced, or that a dishonest man never confesses. In short, i don't agree with your "irrefutable logical fallacies" premise at all.

Lets just go back to Wilson's own words, from the same freely available book.
Undeniable.
For all to read.
For history to judge.
They are NOT "vague". :roll:

"A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is privately concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men [...][W]e have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated, governments in the civilized world—no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men."

VINNY GOOMBA · January 2009

Seeing as how Woodrow Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act into law, and that his campaign for the presidency was financed by several major banks, he may just be part of a conspiracy...

OR, he was just helping out the friends who helped him get to his position of power.

Regardless of motive, it's shit like this that always fucks us. It all comes down to accountability, and enforcement of the law-- a responsibility that no one in America takes seriously anymore.

soulsinging · January 2009

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

I care not to debate your assumed "logical fallacy" which seems to hold it as a unbending truth that honest men can't be coerced, or that a dishonest man never confesses. In short, i don't agree with your "irrefutable logical fallacies" premise at all."

"A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is privately concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men [...][W]e have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated, governments in the civilized world—no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men."

Where do you get that I ever said any such thing? All I said was that conspiracy theories are impervious to any debate... because anyone who denies the conspiracy is considered either "naive" (as you label me) or part of the conspiracy. Anyone who claims there is a conspiracy either has to be vague to avoid retribution or is being censored by the conspiracy. So to a believer, there is no way to debunk a conspiracy. That's all I was saying.

As to the Wilson quote, that IS vague to me. It says government is not by the majority, it is by a small group of wealthy and influential people. I don't dispute that. But you see it as a coordinated effort by thousands of industrialists over generations as they scheme decades into the future... planning 9/11 in the 1950's by figuring arming islamic fundamentalists would be a convenient foil one day... I find that hard to believe. I don't find it hard to believe that a bunch of rich bankers got together and said "you know what would be good for us? credit cards!" But I see that as a bunch of people basically forming a political action committee, no more or less insidious than gay rights activism... you pool resources to push your agenda. They just have more success. I don't buy the whole thing about this one group of 1000 people plotting and carefully controlling every war, terrorist attack, economic glitch, and disease for the last few centuries. Why? Because nobody's that good.

NoK · January 2009

Drowned Out wrote:

Message board activity is cumulative (can't think of a better way to word it right now )...
If it's slow all the time, people will check in and post less frequently....if it gets busier, people are more likely to participate and check back more often...I think without a tour or new album stat, this place will only get less active.
I agree - brutal decision to pull the non-members' privileges...I always give 10C the benefit of the doubt, but I think this was a serious misstep. Without any explanation, it's pretty tough to swallow. I think the free board was integral to building such a loyal following; non-members helped keep it busy enough to make it worth coming to the board...seems like a bit of a slap in the face....I've gotta admit...the almighty $ seems to be the only explanation...never thought I'd say that in regards to PJ

I don't think its an issue of money. I believe this way they can control the board a lot more easily. For example, if they were to ban someone on the previous board all the person would need to do it create a new email account and sign back in with a new user (even if it was a temporary ban). People who pay for their memberships generally do not want to risk them so they are less likely to flame people. Plus, if you have a membership they know your details and know who is posting instead of the random "John/Jane Doe".

Also, people who post on the music forums are much more likely to have memberships and this after all is a board for a music band with a small place to discuss politics not a political message board.

I personally think its an issue of quality over quantity.

Commy · January 2009

and I'm convinced. 10c fucked up. maybe they don't care or won't feel it, economically, but fuck off. they fucked up and that seems to be apparent.

They've tried ignoring the issue but that hasn't worked....some die hard fans are wondering. here anyway. I"m one of them.

and you have to wonder...how important is it to a band to have an internet following? is that what they are trying to discourage? in my opinion they should be more interested, because internet interest equates to public action in many cases. there's a lot to be said for the internet. just seems like the pj 10c is doing everything they can to turn their fans off. to put them in their place. to tell them to be quiet. when it seems to me, from their lyrics and music, that is exactly the opposite of what they are trying to promote. maybe I was mislead, maybe they don't give a shit.,...but I do. that shit matters to me. and how they handle their fan club matters to me. if they tell us to fuck off I"m doing he same. front row is nice, but if its at the expense of diehard fans that can't afford a 10c membership-fuckoff. If all aren't appreciated then fuck off. we all support this band, but only so far.

there's a lot to be said for nowhere. seems that's where I'm headed.

CHANGEinWAVES · January 2009

Commy wrote:

and I'm convinced. 10c fucked up. maybe they don't care or won't feel it, economically, but fuck off. they fucked up and that seems to be apparent.

They've tried ignoring the issue but that hasn't worked....some die hard fans are wondering. here anyway. I"m one of them.

and you have to wonder...how important is it to a band to have an internet following? is that what they are trying to discourage? in my opinion they should be more interested, because internet interest equates to public action in many cases. there's a lot to be said for the internet. just seems like the pj 10c is doing everything they can to turn their fans off. to put them in their place. to tell them to be quiet. when it seems to me, from their lyrics and music, that is exactly the opposite of what they are trying to promote. maybe I was mislead, maybe they don't give a shit.,...but I do. that shit matters to me. and how they handle their fan club matters to me. if they tell us to fuck off I"m doing he same. front row is nice, but if its at the expense of diehard fans that can't afford a 10c membership-fuckoff. If all aren't appreciated then fuck off. we all support this band, but only so far.

there's a lot to be said for nowhere. seems that's where I'm headed.

great post!

NoK · January 2009

Commy wrote:

and I'm convinced. 10c fucked up. maybe they don't care or won't feel it, economically, but fuck off. they fucked up and that seems to be apparent.

They've tried ignoring the issue but that hasn't worked....some die hard fans are wondering. here anyway. I"m one of them.

and you have to wonder...how important is it to a band to have an internet following? is that what they are trying to discourage? in my opinion they should be more interested, because internet interest equates to public action in many cases. there's a lot to be said for the internet. just seems like the pj 10c is doing everything they can to turn their fans off. to put them in their place. to tell them to be quiet. when it seems to me, from their lyrics and music, that is exactly the opposite of what they are trying to promote. maybe I was mislead, maybe they don't give a shit.,...but I do. that shit matters to me. and how they handle their fan club matters to me. if they tell us to fuck off I"m doing he same. front row is nice, but if its at the expense of diehard fans that can't afford a 10c membership-fuckoff. If all aren't appreciated then fuck off. we all support this band, but only so far.

there's a lot to be said for nowhere. seems that's where I'm headed.

do you know if this is the final version? or are they still setting it up? It might be taking them longer to sort out the non-members due to the lack of info. Just wondering..

Drowned Out · January 2009

NoK wrote:

Drowned Out wrote:

Message board activity is cumulative (can't think of a better way to word it right now )...
If it's slow all the time, people will check in and post less frequently....if it gets busier, people are more likely to participate and check back more often...I think without a tour or new album stat, this place will only get less active.
I agree - brutal decision to pull the non-members' privileges...I always give 10C the benefit of the doubt, but I think this was a serious misstep. Without any explanation, it's pretty tough to swallow. I think the free board was integral to building such a loyal following; non-members helped keep it busy enough to make it worth coming to the board...seems like a bit of a slap in the face....I've gotta admit...the almighty $ seems to be the only explanation...never thought I'd say that in regards to PJ

I don't think its an issue of money. I believe this way they can control the board a lot more easily. For example, if they were to ban someone on the previous board all the person would need to do it create a new email account and sign back in with a new user (even if it was a temporary ban). People who pay for their memberships generally do not want to risk them so they are less likely to flame people. Plus, if you have a membership they know your details and know who is posting instead of the random "John/Jane Doe".

Also, people who post on the music forums are much more likely to have memberships and this after all is a board for a music band with a small place to discuss politics not a political message board.

I personally think its an issue of quality over quantity.

If this change is just to avoid the hassle of people 'flaming' on the board, I'm MORE offended...that's no excuse...dealing with that shit is all part of running a bbs...there are bigger boards, with more stringent guidelines...how do they deal with it? Improve the system, don't sidestep the issue...maybe they think they've improved things, but they've fragmented this place again (the long shutdown in '04? killed a lot of momentum too)...it's a shame.
There has to be a better way...maybe open a trading/auction forum and/or something else that's 'value added' for members, and make the rest free again?
The decision to go this route with the board doesn't really do all that much to improve the value of a membership (yet), except to people that DON'T have one... So we have avatars and can post a profile...what good is that on a dead board? It's not that I am looking for MORE...but we're not GETTING more, which is the 'benefit of doubt' explanation....avatars? It's all cause of the fucking picture threads, I know it!

Commy · January 2009

Drowned Out wrote:

If this change is just to avoid the hassle of people 'flaming' on the board, I'm MORE offended...that's no excuse...dealing with that shit is all part of running a bbs...there are bigger boards, with more stringent guidelines...how do they deal with it? Improve the system, don't sidestep the issue...maybe they think they've improved things, but they've fragmented this place again (the long shutdown in '04? killed a lot of momentum too)...it's a shame.
There has to be a better way...maybe open a trading/auction forum and/or something else that's 'value added' for members, and make the rest free again?
The decision to go this route with the board doesn't really do all that much to improve the value of a membership (yet), except to people that DON'T have one... So we have avatars and can post a profile...what good is that on a dead board? It's not that I am looking for MORE...but we're not GETTING more, which is the 'benefit of doubt' explanation....avatars? It's all cause of the fucking picture threads, I know it!

nobody gives a shit about the value of the membership....we fucking love this band. they are cutting off a big portion of the fans. that's the issue. we need a place to go to deal with this shit-posters, tix, places to stay, whatever...they're taking all that away from us. that's the problem.

NoK · January 2009

Drowned Out wrote:

NoK wrote:

Drowned Out wrote:

Message board activity is cumulative (can't think of a better way to word it right now )...
If it's slow all the time, people will check in and post less frequently....if it gets busier, people are more likely to participate and check back more often...I think without a tour or new album stat, this place will only get less active.
I agree - brutal decision to pull the non-members' privileges...I always give 10C the benefit of the doubt, but I think this was a serious misstep. Without any explanation, it's pretty tough to swallow. I think the free board was integral to building such a loyal following; non-members helped keep it busy enough to make it worth coming to the board...seems like a bit of a slap in the face....I've gotta admit...the almighty $ seems to be the only explanation...never thought I'd say that in regards to PJ

I don't think its an issue of money. I believe this way they can control the board a lot more easily. For example, if they were to ban someone on the previous board all the person would need to do it create a new email account and sign back in with a new user (even if it was a temporary ban). People who pay for their memberships generally do not want to risk them so they are less likely to flame people. Plus, if you have a membership they know your details and know who is posting instead of the random "John/Jane Doe".

Also, people who post on the music forums are much more likely to have memberships and this after all is a board for a music band with a small place to discuss politics not a political message board.

I personally think its an issue of quality over quantity.

If this change is just to avoid the hassle of people 'flaming' on the board, I'm MORE offended...that's no excuse...dealing with that shit is all part of running a bbs...there are bigger boards, with more stringent guidelines...how do they deal with it? Improve the system, don't sidestep the issue...maybe they think they've improved things, but they've fragmented this place again (the long shutdown in '04? killed a lot of momentum too)...it's a shame.
There has to be a better way...maybe open a trading/auction forum and/or something else that's 'value added' for members, and make the rest free again?
The decision to go this route with the board doesn't really do all that much to improve the value of a membership (yet), except to people that DON'T have one... So we have avatars and can post a profile...what good is that on a dead board? It's not that I am looking for MORE...but we're not GETTING more, which is the 'benefit of doubt' explanation....avatars? It's all cause of the fucking picture threads, I know it!

I tend to steer clear of the rest of the forums. How about we start a sponsor a long time member of the board appeal?

Commy · January 2009

NoK wrote:

Commy wrote:

and I'm convinced. 10c fucked up. maybe they don't care or won't feel it, economically, but fuck off. they fucked up and that seems to be apparent.

They've tried ignoring the issue but that hasn't worked....some die hard fans are wondering. here anyway. I"m one of them.

and you have to wonder...how important is it to a band to have an internet following? is that what they are trying to discourage? in my opinion they should be more interested, because internet interest equates to public action in many cases. there's a lot to be said for the internet. just seems like the pj 10c is doing everything they can to turn their fans off. to put them in their place. to tell them to be quiet. when it seems to me, from their lyrics and music, that is exactly the opposite of what they are trying to promote. maybe I was mislead, maybe they don't give a shit.,...but I do. that shit matters to me. and how they handle their fan club matters to me. if they tell us to fuck off I"m doing he same. front row is nice, but if its at the expense of diehard fans that can't afford a 10c membership-fuckoff. If all aren't appreciated then fuck off. we all support this band, but only so far.

there's a lot to be said for nowhere. seems that's where I'm headed.

do you know if this is the final version? or are they still setting it up? It might be taking them longer to sort out the non-members due to the lack of info. Just wondering..

no idea. because they are saying nothing. we've have nothing from 10c.

cincybearcat · January 2009

Commy wrote:

NoK wrote:

Commy wrote:

and I'm convinced. 10c fucked up. maybe they don't care or won't feel it, economically, but fuck off. they fucked up and that seems to be apparent.

They've tried ignoring the issue but that hasn't worked....some die hard fans are wondering. here anyway. I"m one of them.

and you have to wonder...how important is it to a band to have an internet following? is that what they are trying to discourage? in my opinion they should be more interested, because internet interest equates to public action in many cases. there's a lot to be said for the internet. just seems like the pj 10c is doing everything they can to turn their fans off. to put them in their place. to tell them to be quiet. when it seems to me, from their lyrics and music, that is exactly the opposite of what they are trying to promote. maybe I was mislead, maybe they don't give a shit.,...but I do. that shit matters to me. and how they handle their fan club matters to me. if they tell us to fuck off I"m doing he same. front row is nice, but if its at the expense of diehard fans that can't afford a 10c membership-fuckoff. If all aren't appreciated then fuck off. we all support this band, but only so far.

there's a lot to be said for nowhere. seems that's where I'm headed.

do you know if this is the final version? or are they still setting it up? It might be taking them longer to sort out the non-members due to the lack of info. Just wondering..

no idea. because they are saying nothing. we've have nothing from 10c.

We only hea from them whe tey have someting to sell us anymore...vey little updates of any kind. Oh well, still ove te band, the music, even still like this board a little...oh,and wishI ha more money to buy all the stuff they are selling.

Drowned Out · January 2009

Commy wrote:

nobody gives a shit about the value of the membership....we fucking love this band. they are cutting off a big portion of the fans. that's the issue. we need a place to go to deal with this shit-posters, tix, places to stay, whatever...they're taking all that away from us. that's the problem.

I agree, I was playing devil's advocate, from the perspective of 'improvement'...trying to see what they're supposedly trying to do for us, but pointing out that even under the best-case scenario (a better board? less flaming?), it falls short and actually harms the 'community'....I was saying that I don't see any REAL CHANGE or improvement.

I'm reserving final judgement...I would take it kinda personally if I felt they were gouging...but there are a million possibilities regarding how this came about, and what's yet to come...yes, some info from 10c would be nice. I think if anything, we're entitled to that...WHY was this decision made?
intentions be damned, if they simply decided to neuter the board, I'm very disappointed.

Commy · January 2009

Drowned Out wrote:

Commy wrote:

nobody gives a shit about the value of the membership....we fucking love this band. they are cutting off a big portion of the fans. that's the issue. we need a place to go to deal with this shit-posters, tix, places to stay, whatever...they're taking all that away from us. that's the problem.

I agree, I was playing devil's advocate, from the perspective of 'improvement'...trying to see what they're supposedly trying to do for us, but pointing out that even under the best-case scenario (a better board? less flaming?), it falls short and actually harms the 'community'....I was saying that I don't see any REAL CHANGE or improvement.

I'm reserving final judgement...I would take it kinda personally if I felt they were gouging...but there are a million possibilities regarding how this came about, and what's yet to come...yes, some info from 10c would be nice. I think if anything, we're entitled to that...WHY was this decision made?
intentions be damned, if they simply decided to neuter the board, I'm very disappointed.

agreed.

but
i am wondering if that is what they did. and if they care.

soulsinging · January 2009

cincybearcat wrote:

We only hea from them whe tey have someting to sell us anymore...vey little updates of any kind. Oh well, still ove te band, the music, even still like this board a little...oh,and wishI ha more money to buy all the stuff they are selling.

At least you've got that. I haven't been blown away by the music in a while. And I don't buy any merch aside from cd's. This forum thing has seemed like a pretty clear money maneuver to me and it's a bit disheartening. I've been debating letting mine expire for years because it hasn't seemed worthwhile, and this, ironically, has kinda pushed me to do so, just on principle.

Will the Moving Train ever pick up Steam???

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