Will the Moving Train ever pick up Steam???

VINNY GOOMBA

NYUK NYUK NYUK.

But seriously, the old board was a lot busier. I would have thought that 9/10 of the people over there would have came over to this one, assuming that most of them had 10C memberships? It only seems like maybe 1/3 of the people on the old board have made it over to this one. Think it'll pick up? Probably around tour time?

inmytree

hard to say...I have to admit I'm a bit burned out on politics...

and the past few weeks have been Israel and Obama hating season...I just don't have the gumption to participate...

DriftingByTheStorm

I think there were a LOT of Non-10C members on the old board.

Beyond that,
i think IMT's sentiments are being echoed universally around this place:

inmytree wrote:

hard to say...I have to admit I'm a bit burned out on politics...

and the past few weeks have been Israel and Obama hating season...I just don't have the gumption to participate...

Even I (poor ole' Driftin) am burnt out on this stuff.
It seems the people who are Anti-Conspiracy and Anti-Economic Collapse just can't handle the mental friction that it causes anymore to deal with what is seemingly becoming closer and closer to a mainstream reality than a internet fear mongering campaign,

and the people that DO acknowledge the "deeper" workings of our markets and government are simply fed up with the argumentative friction of discussion, and are more or less resigned. Certainly, that is how i feel ... not even so much fed up with the arguments here, so much as just resigned to the reality of a global collapse and failed government policy across the board.

At some point it just bears no worth in repeating.

Between that and the fact that 10C made the IDIOTIC (sorry guys, i love you, but...) decision to close the board to non members, i don't really think there is much hope for change in this place, regarding numbers.

VINNY GOOMBA

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

I think there were a LOT of Non-10C members on the old board.

Beyond that,
i think IMT's sentiments are being echoed universally around this place:

inmytree wrote:

hard to say...I have to admit I'm a bit burned out on politics...

and the past few weeks have been Israel and Obama hating season...I just don't have the gumption to participate...

Even I (poor ole' Driftin) am burnt out on this stuff.
It seems the people who are Anti-Conspiracy and Anti-Economic Collapse just can't handle the mental friction that it causes anymore to deal with what is seemingly becoming closer and closer to a mainstream reality than a internet fear mongering campaign,

and the people that DO acknowledge the "deeper" workings of our markets and government are simply fed up with the argumentative friction of discussion, and are more or less resigned. Certainly, that is how i feel ... not even so much fed up with the arguments here, so much as just resigned to the reality of a global collapse and failed government policy across the board.

At some point it just bears no worth in repeating.

Between that and the fact that 10C made the IDIOTIC (sorry guys, i love you, but...) decision to close the board to non members, i don't really think there is much hope for change in this place, regarding numbers.

Going to have to agree with you here, sadly on all accounts. I'm always trying to get all my friends and family to understand what's going on with this country. When I talk to them I try and focus on where we should be, and show how different it is than where we are headed. For a while, I was seeing a lot of responses that were mostly a confusion-based apathy. Lately I've been seeing more extreme views in terms of people wanting to really put a halt to the looting of this country, and others being ALL FOR IT, which the latter disturbs me.

It might be that it is too little, too late. And if that is the case, it's just time to prepare for the worst, I guess.

Anyway, I also agree it was a bad idea for the 10C to do what they did to this board. I'm sure a lot of good discussion was lost on all forums, and traffic to PJ's website, for that matter. I can't see how this will really be to the benefit of the band, or the fans.

The Juggler

have you seen the "jesus being sworn in" thread?.....a lil too much steam over there if you ask me

soulsinging

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Even I (poor ole' Driftin) am burnt out on this stuff.
It seems the people who are Anti-Conspiracy and Anti-Economic Collapse just can't handle the mental friction that it causes anymore to deal with what is seemingly becoming closer and closer to a mainstream reality than a internet fear mongering campaign.

Can I be anti-conspiracy AND pro-economic collapse?

DriftingByTheStorm

soulsinging wrote:

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Even I (poor ole' Driftin) am burnt out on this stuff.
It seems the people who are Anti-Conspiracy and Anti-Economic Collapse just can't handle the mental friction that it causes anymore to deal with what is seemingly becoming closer and closer to a mainstream reality than a internet fear mongering campaign.

Can I be anti-conspiracy AND pro-economic collapse?

lol.
Yes.

I'm not sure i like the term "PRO-Economic Collapse", but it certainly seems to apply to you.
Mr. Cheerleader for Doom.

I still think it is relatively naive to assume that no collusion is going on "behind the scenes" between those at the top of the pyramid. There is nothing better to explain the massive rally and crash in oil, the suppression of gold that lasted over a year, and very soon we will see what kind of collusion it takes to keep the treasury market (and at some point, the dollar) propped up.

Further, beyond current ground truths, there is myriad historical evidence of a broad based "conspiracy" between those members of the "elite" financial community, and their "influence" over government. How many PRESIDENTS have to say so, before their own people believe them? Jefferson, Madison, Jackson, Wilson, and FDR have ALL had VERY POIGNANT COMMENTS REGARDING THE NATURE OF THE FINANCIAL STRANGLEHOLD OVER OUR GOVERNMENT.

Pulling just one VERY PRESCIENT quote off the top:

Woodrow Wilson wrote:

"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the Field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."
Woodrow Wilson,The New Freedom (1913)

if you think the quote is out of context,
here is the portion that follow:

Wilson again wrote:

They know that America is not a place of which it can be said, as it used
to be, that a man may choose his own calling and pursue it just as far as
his abilities enable him to pursue it; because to-day, if he enters
certain fields, there are organizations which will use means against him
that will prevent his building up a business which they do not want to
have built up; organizations that will see to it that the ground is cut
from under him and the markets shut against him. For if he begins to sell
to certain retail dealers, to any retail dealers, the monopoly will refuse
to sell to those dealers, and those dealers, afraid, will not buy the new
man's wares.

I dunno.
That smells like collusion or "conspiracy" to me.
And like i said, there are another half dozen presidents going back 100 years or more that have similar comments.

FDR said in his innaguration speech:

FDR wrote:

"The money-changers have fled from their high seats in the temple of our civilization,"

What do you suppose he was talking about, and further,
do you REALLY believe that to be the case?
???

DriftingByTheStorm

Okay, SS,
now you have me reading Wilson's book, goddmanit.

Here is another great tidbit for you:

Woodrow Wilson, further on in his book wrote:

What most of us are fighting for is to break up this very partnership
between big business and the government. We call upon all intelligent men
to bear witness that if this plan were consummated, the great employers
and capitalists of the country would be under a more overpowering
temptation than ever to take control of the government and keep it
subservient to their purpose.
What a prize it would be to capture! How unassailable would be the
majesty and the tyranny of monopoly if it could thus get sanction of law
and the authority of government! By what means, except open revolt, could
we ever break the crust of our life again and become free men, breathing
an air of our own, living lives that we wrought out for ourselves?

What's THAT smell like to ya?


And a couple of paragrahps below that, is this:

Wilson AGAIN wrote:

I do not want to see the special interests of the United States take care
of the workingmen, women, and children. I want to see justice,
righteousness, fairness and humanity displayed in all the laws of the
United States, and I do not want any power to intervene between the people
and their government. Justice is what we want, not patronage and
condescension and pitiful helpfulness. The trusts are our masters now, but
I for one do not care to live in a country called free even under kind
masters. I prefer to live under no masters at all.

Byrnzie

inmytree wrote:

hard to say...I have to admit I'm a bit burned out on politics...

and the past few weeks have been Israel and Obama hating season...I just don't have the gumption to participate...

Israel hating season? Why do you think that might have been?

Commy

Byrnzie wrote:

inmytree wrote:

hard to say...I have to admit I'm a bit burned out on politics...

and the past few weeks have been Israel and Obama hating season...I just don't have the gumption to participate...

Israel hating season? Why do you think that might have been?

yeah I can't imagine why anyone would be hating on Israel...can't imagine...

decides2dream

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

NYUK NYUK NYUK.

But seriously, the old board was a lot busier. I would have thought that 9/10 of the people over there would have came over to this one, assuming that most of them had 10C memberships? It only seems like maybe 1/3 of the people on the old board have made it over to this one. Think it'll pick up? Probably around tour time?

i am unsurprised really. quite honestly, in the MT forum in particular...seems there were quite a few who were not 10c members, and/or not the biggest pj fans. and i say this based on people's posts stating clearly they were not 10c members, and i know of at least one member - a great person btw, so no criticism - who outright stated she was not a fan, but was lead to the site thru a friend, to discuss some certain political topic...and she just liked the place and the people, and kept coming back. definitely a cool thing.

i think the bulk of members who posted a LOT on the porch were all 10clubbers, but yea...the rest of the forums, bit more hit or miss. besides, the boards always went in cycles, someone always coming or going....and just downtimes in general, tis all cyclical i think


hopefully in time more will join in again, b/c even amongst 10c members who used to post, i don't think all are regularly posting here....yet.

The Jeagler wrote:

have you seen the "jesus being sworn in" thread?.....a lil too much steam over there if you ask me

OMG that made me laugh!
funny too, i was gonna say the 'problem' is we are all too distracted at the messiah being sworn in the other day, all that flag-wavin' and god-blessin'...and once that thread dies off it's eventual death...it'll liven up elsewhere once more. :P

melodious

I have faith that everyone who values the old board will find means to to find their way home, once again.

Peace and LOVE.

stevehomeair

HOWARD ZINN needs a hug from you.

inmytree

Commy wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

inmytree wrote:

hard to say...I have to admit I'm a bit burned out on politics...

and the past few weeks have been Israel and Obama hating season...I just don't have the gumption to participate...

Israel hating season? Why do you think that might have been?

yeah I can't imagine why anyone would be hating on Israel...can't imagine...

my point exactly...

know1

The old board was losing steam for months as well.

Mostly, I think it's because it has been dominated or taken over by outrageous conspiracy theory threads always about money/banking and Anti-Semitism.

There is very little discussion about real issues anymore.

VINNY GOOMBA

know1 wrote:

The old board was losing steam for months as well.

Mostly, I think it's because it has been dominated or taken over by outrageous conspiracy theory threads always about money/banking and Anti-Semitism.

There is very little discussion about real issues anymore.

Money and banking are very real issues. If anything, I think more people have realized the role that banking institutions play in world affairs over these past few months. I can see how it makes some people feel absolutely helpless, too. A quarter of the country thinks "Republicans" are the problem, another quarter thinks "Democrats" are the problem, another quarter thinks it's the media, and a slim minority KNOW that our banking system is the real problem. The fact is, everyone's RIGHT. It's all of the above.

tybird

To create steam to power a train, we either need to burn wood, coal or oil. :twisted:

decides2dream

tybird wrote:

To create steam to power a train, we either need to burn wood, coal or oil. :twisted:

you have just a one track mind, dontcha?



wait until a new album and/or tour is announced...this place will spring to life in an instant! even the MT! such announcments always bring so many back in droves.

tybird

decides2dream wrote:

tybird wrote:

To create steam to power a train, we either need to burn wood, coal or oil. :twisted:

you have just a one track mind, dontcha?



wait until a new album and/or tour is announced...this place will spring to life in an instant! even the MT! such announcments always bring so many back in droves.

Actually it's double-tracked.... 8-) :twisted: Still jealous of the daily train ride.

decides2dream

tybird wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

tybird wrote:

To create steam to power a train, we either need to burn wood, coal or oil. :twisted:

you have just a one track mind, dontcha?



wait until a new album and/or tour is announced...this place will spring to life in an instant! even the MT! such announcments always bring so many back in droves.

Actually it's double-tracked.... 8-) :twisted: Still jealous of the daily train ride.

doubt you'd be too jealous of the monthly cost! :shock:
thankfully, i at least get to have a percentage of the cost taken from my pre-tax earnings, so that's a nice commuter bonus.


it does seem like the MT lost quite a few of it's regular posters, but who knows...perhaps they'll return, rejoin...and/or new posters will come into the fold?

Drowned Out

Message board activity is cumulative (can't think of a better way to word it right now )...
If it's slow all the time, people will check in and post less frequently....if it gets busier, people are more likely to participate and check back more often...I think without a tour or new album stat, this place will only get less active.
I agree - brutal decision to pull the non-members' privileges...I always give 10C the benefit of the doubt, but I think this was a serious misstep. Without any explanation, it's pretty tough to swallow. I think the free board was integral to building such a loyal following; non-members helped keep it busy enough to make it worth coming to the board...seems like a bit of a slap in the face....I've gotta admit...the almighty $ seems to be the only explanation...never thought I'd say that in regards to PJ