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  • urbanhippie
    urbanhippie Posts: 3,007
    chadwick wrote:
    oh you weren't picking on me
    i can handle more than what
    you been throwin at me

    you are fine, breathe deep...
    Thank you for your thoughts Chad :)
    Does anyone else have any answers they want to share?
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
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    urbanhippie wrote:
    Thank you for your thoughts Chad :)
    Does anyone else have any answers they want to share?

    For me, when I'm writing music, I'm writing something I want to hear. There can be emotion in there, definitely, but I'm mostly just looking to make something that sounds cool. Lyrics, on the other hand, can be pure catharsis.

    Similarly, when I'm drawing comics, it's basically just cos I have a joke I want to tell - it's not anything I have to let the world see. But if I'm writing a short story, I generally have to try to capture the lightning in the bottle, so to speak. I've stayed up all night on short stories - never on comics.

    Not sure if that answers your question, really. :o
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  • urbanhippie
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    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    For me, when I'm writing music, I'm writing something I want to hear. There can be emotion in there, definitely, but I'm mostly just looking to make something that sounds cool. Lyrics, on the other hand, can be pure catharsis.

    Similarly, when I'm drawing comics, it's basically just cos I have a joke I want to tell - it's not anything I have to let the world see. But if I'm writing a short story, I generally have to try to capture the lightning in the bottle, so to speak. I've stayed up all night on short stories - never on comics.

    Not sure if that answers your question, really. :o
    So what you're saying is it's both an urge AND a desire...sometimes it's just cos you feel like it and sometimes it's because you need to... Have I got that right?

    And do you think your works better if you absolutely HAVE to get it out? Or does it make no difference?

    I'm sorry if I'm asking unanswerable questions :) I'm not creative, and it fascinates me when people are :o
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  • Collin
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    I think art is a bit overrated. I think people who look at art, judge art often see much more into it than the artist anticipated. Perhaps a little too much at times.

    We had to write a poem in school, and although I like to write poetry, I didn't have any inspiration at the time. I only write when I have inspiration, when a combination of words suddenly opens a door in my brain... you know? Anyway, I had to write a poem and it was a rather important assignment and I wrote about something trivial, something I saw that day namely a book which was left on a bench near the station. It didn't mean anything. Nothing.

    My teacher was really impressed with it and after class wanted to discuss the emotions and feelings I put into this poem. I just nodded a lot (because I knew I'd get a high grade.)

    I knew a few people which could be considered artists, and a lot of them just like to draw or write... they don't put extra meaning behind it. They just write or paint or sing whatever's on their mind and other people interpret it as art, as something meaningful.

    edit: and sometimes, or oftentimes, they do put meaning into it but just because that's how they feel, just like you'd complain about your life to a friend, only they do it in their own language... which can be a painting, a poem anything... People sometimes get that meaning behind it, and sometimes they don't.

    I know someone who is extremely talented. He doesn't give a damn about 'art' or 'feeling' or anything, he's all about technique and skills. Yet almost everyone sees so much into his paintings. 'Oh and this painting portrays the loneliness of the artist in this materialist cold hard world'. Hell no, he just took a bunch of pictures and combined elements of them all, and painted it.
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  • urbanhippie
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    Collin wrote:
    I knew a few people which could be considered artists, and a lot of them just like to draw or write... they don't put extra meaning behind it. They just write or paint or sing whatever's on their mind and other people interpret it as art, as something meaningful.
    So for them it's just a way to chill out and relax....?

    Not the blood, sweat and tears and desire to create that others talk about?
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
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    urbanhippie wrote:
    So what you're saying is it's both an urge AND a desire...sometimes it's just cos you feel like it and sometimes it's because you need to... Have I got that right?

    And do you think your works better if you absolutely HAVE to get it out? Or does it make no difference?

    I'm sorry if I'm asking unanswerable questions :) I'm not creative, and it fascinates me when people are :o

    Yeah, I guess it can be an urge, or a desire, or both. But that said, I agree with Collin - sometimes, you just write cos you're being made to, and something pretty great can come out of it. I wrote a lot of essays back in secondary school that I was really proud of, but they didn't come out of any artistic place, I was just filling up a word count.

    I think one very necessary part of being creative is having an ability to bullshit. :p
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    urbanhippie wrote:
    So for them it's just a way to chill out and relax....?

    Not the blood, sweat and tears and desire to create that others talk about?

    I edited my post to include an example of a friend who is extremely talented. He just loves painting and drawing like someone really loves football. It's his hobby and he does it because he loves it. If he could he'd paint and draw 24/7. Not to convey a feeling or an idea.

    He doesn't give a damn what anyone else thinks except for people who can comment on the technical aspects.

    edit: He'll paint things that interest him, however. He doesn't just draw or paint anything. He choses subjects that he cares about, but not to convey a message. The only thing he does is practising his skills. And his work is absolutely beautiful! You could put it in an art show and all the art critics would see meaning and feeling and everything that is not there.

    edit: of course some of his subjects have a message, convey a message but simply because the subject in itself conveys this. He's just interested in skills and technical ability and getting better. He studies artists and painting but doesn't care about symbols or the meaning behind the paintings, only about the technical aspects.
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  • urbanhippie
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    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Yeah, I guess it can be an urge, or a desire, or both. But that said, I agree with Collin - sometimes, you just write cos you're being made to, and something pretty great can come out of it. I wrote a lot of essays back in secondary school that I was really proud of, but they didn't come out of any artistic place, I was just filling up a word count.

    I think one very necessary part of being creative is having an ability to bullshit. :p
    Thank you :)
    I'm no closer to answering any of my questions (;)), but at least I've got plenty of different answers to think about...
    It seems there's no wrong or right answers and it means different things to everyone who creates art and everyone who views art. Sometimes the artists and the viewers feelings can be completely different but about the same thing :confused:
    Hey, I don't understand it, but that makes it all the more fascinating :)
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
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    urbanhippie wrote:
    Thank you :)
    I'm no closer to answering any of my questions (;)), but at least I've got plenty of different answers to think about...
    It seems there's no wrong or right answers and it means different things to everyone who creates art and everyone who views art. Sometimes the artists and the viewers feelings can be completely different but about the same thing :confused:
    Hey, I don't understand it, but that makes it all the more fascinating :)

    Hey, if there was a formula to it, it wouldn't be art anymore. ;)
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  • urbanhippie
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    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Hey, if there was a formula to it, it wouldn't be art anymore. ;)
    Tis true :D
    I'm gonna stop analysing and just enjoy :)
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    these things are true
    ppl who are artistic
    do it because they love it
    they have fun with it


    they really have no choice..
    that's how i look at it
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  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    urbanhippie wrote:
    Thank you for your thoughts Chad :)
    Does anyone else have any answers they want to share?
    I think artistic people are generally more emotionally complicated and fragile than less artistic, more logically or scientifically minded people. I make a lot of music myself and I also write a lot and the only reason I can give for it is that I have to. I don't necessarily feel somehow closer to some mysterious thing I'm searching for when I create something but it doesn't matter. I just need to try. In times of emotional turmoil I need to do it more and it can be, as Rhinocerous said, very cathartic.

    I'm a very disordered person and always seem to being a million different places feeling a million different things at once and it can become overwhelming sometimes. When I create something, OR when I listen to someone else's music or watch a film or read a book, the intense focus on something so personal makes me feel like I have some sort of direction for a little while.

    When I started uni I was having a lot of trouble sleeping for some reason. Partially I missed home and also my room was pretty horrible and I found myself really bored a lot when I wasn't out with people etc. I started working on a new musical project of ambient electronic music (which Mark really liked :)). The focus it gave me made it irrelevant whether or not the music was actually worth listening to and it also completely mirrored my mindset at the time. It's very organic, improvised, chilled out music which actually started to help me sleep so the creation itself started to get in the way of the mindset that created it :D

    I don't think I've ever really created anything truly worthwhile to anyone else but I'm a lot better off for having tried. I go crazy without writing or recording.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    I think artistic people are generally more emotionally complicated and fragile than less artistic, more logically or scientifically minded people. I make a lot of music myself and I also write a lot and the only reason I can give for it is that I have to. I don't necessarily feel somehow closer to some mysterious thing I'm searching for when I create something but it doesn't matter. I just need to try. In times of emotional turmoil I need to do it more and it can be, as Rhinocerous said, very cathartic.

    I'm a very disordered person and always seem to being a million different places feeling a million different things at once and it can become overwhelming sometimes. When I create something, OR when I listen to someone else's music or watch a film or read a book, the intense focus on something so personal makes me feel like I have some sort of direction for a little while.

    When I started uni I was having a lot of trouble sleeping for some reason. Partially I missed home and also my room was pretty horrible and I found myself really bored a lot when I wasn't out with people etc. I started working on a new musical project of ambient electronic music (which Mark really liked :)). The focus it gave me made it irrelevant whether or not the music was actually worth listening to and it also completely mirrored my mindset at the time. It's very organic, improvised, chilled out music which actually started to help me sleep so the creation itself started to get in the way of the mindset that created it :D

    I don't think I've ever really created anything truly worthwhile to anyone else but I'm a lot better off for having tried. I go crazy without writing or recording.

    Very accurately stated.
    From what you have said I am sure you have ADD or ADHD.
    I would say that most artistic ppl have these mental issues.
    I have it, the ADD thingy, or maybe it ADHD.
    Maybe ppl can have both.

    Do you follow what I am saying?
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    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    chadwick wrote:
    Very accurately stated.
    From what you have said I am sure you have ADD or ADHD.
    I would say that most artistic ppl have these mental issues.

    Do you follow what I am saying?
    Nah, I'm not at all ADHD. It's weird. When I say I'm disordered and restless, it's not a physical thing. I don't need to be doing physical stuff at all times. I just need to be doing stuff when I'm thinking too much about things. I'm a very emotionally led person and it can become a strain sometimes :p

    You wouldn't reckon I had ADHD or anything if you met me. Not that kind of person. On the surface I'm very relaxed, often to the point of apathy. It's underneath where the turbulence is :p
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  • urbanhippie
    urbanhippie Posts: 3,007
    chadwick wrote:
    Very accurately stated.
    From what you have said I am sure you have ADD or ADHD.
    I would say that most artistic ppl have these mental issues.
    I have it, the ADD thingy, or maybe it ADHD.
    Maybe ppl can have both.

    Do you follow what I am saying?
    One thing that I do wonder about is why a lot of artistic people have mental health issues?
    Is the artistic temperament the cause or the symptom?

    (Not picking on you Chad, honestly :) This is a question for everyone)
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
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    urbanhippie wrote:
    One thing that I do wonder about is why a lot of artistic people have mental health issues?
    Is the artistic temperament the cause or the symptom?

    (Not picking on you Chad, honestly :) This is a question for everyone)

    Maybe lots of non-artistic have mental health issues, and they just never express themselves freely enough to show it?

    Just thinking "out loud" here, I really have no idea.
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  • urbanhippie
    urbanhippie Posts: 3,007
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Maybe lots of non-artistic have mental health issues, and they just never express themselves freely enough to show it?

    Just thinking "out loud" here, I really have no idea.
    Nor me :)
    I guess I am just asking unanswerable questions... I just find the whole thing so mysterious and completely compelling...

    It's like a whole world I can't get to y'know? :o
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    Nah, I'm not at all ADHD. It's weird. When I say I'm disordered and restless, it's not a physical thing. I don't need to be doing physical stuff at all times. I just need to be doing stuff when I'm thinking too much about things. I'm a very emotionally led person and it can become a strain sometimes :p

    You wouldn't reckon I had ADHD or anything if you met me. Not that kind of person. On the surface I'm very relaxed, often to the point of apathy. It's underneath where the turbulence is :p

    and that to me is what ADD is.
    i am the same way dude.
    your mind runs non-stop, yes?
    so many thoughts at one given time
    you are overflowing with them all day,night long.

    am i right?
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    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    urbanhippie wrote:
    One thing that I do wonder about is why a lot of artistic people have mental health issues?
    Is the artistic temperament the cause or the symptom?

    (Not picking on you Chad, honestly :) This is a question for everyone)


    ask a very successful guitarist in a wonderful
    talented very awesome band why he/she is a raging alcholic or cocaine addict..
    they have attidictive personality disorders.
    they are actually a train wreck inside.
    why on earth was jim morrison a disaster, janis joplin, lane staley, ect ect ect.
    the list is endless..all have mental and substance issues..
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • harmless_little_f***
    harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    chadwick wrote:
    and that to me is what ADD is.
    i am the same way dude.
    your mind runs non-stop, yes?
    so many thoughts at one given time
    you are overflowing with them all day,night long.

    am i right?

    I'm having one of those days today... my mind won't stop racing about a million things and I'd love to create something to 'exorcise the demons' but that would just give me even more to think about and make the restlessness even worse.

    I need a harmless little mind-altering drug I think. :o
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