Thank you for your thoughts Chad
Does anyone else have any answers they want to share?
I think artistic people are generally more emotionally complicated and fragile than less artistic, more logically or scientifically minded people. I make a lot of music myself and I also write a lot and the only reason I can give for it is that I have to. I don't necessarily feel somehow closer to some mysterious thing I'm searching for when I create something but it doesn't matter. I just need to try. In times of emotional turmoil I need to do it more and it can be, as Rhinocerous said, very cathartic.
I'm a very disordered person and always seem to being a million different places feeling a million different things at once and it can become overwhelming sometimes. When I create something, OR when I listen to someone else's music or watch a film or read a book, the intense focus on something so personal makes me feel like I have some sort of direction for a little while.
When I started uni I was having a lot of trouble sleeping for some reason. Partially I missed home and also my room was pretty horrible and I found myself really bored a lot when I wasn't out with people etc. I started working on a new musical project of ambient electronic music (which Mark really liked ). The focus it gave me made it irrelevant whether or not the music was actually worth listening to and it also completely mirrored my mindset at the time. It's very organic, improvised, chilled out music which actually started to help me sleep so the creation itself started to get in the way of the mindset that created it
I don't think I've ever really created anything truly worthwhile to anyone else but I'm a lot better off for having tried. I go crazy without writing or recording.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
I think artistic people are generally more emotionally complicated and fragile than less artistic, more logically or scientifically minded people. I make a lot of music myself and I also write a lot and the only reason I can give for it is that I have to. I don't necessarily feel somehow closer to some mysterious thing I'm searching for when I create something but it doesn't matter. I just need to try. In times of emotional turmoil I need to do it more and it can be, as Rhinocerous said, very cathartic.
I'm a very disordered person and always seem to being a million different places feeling a million different things at once and it can become overwhelming sometimes. When I create something, OR when I listen to someone else's music or watch a film or read a book, the intense focus on something so personal makes me feel like I have some sort of direction for a little while.
When I started uni I was having a lot of trouble sleeping for some reason. Partially I missed home and also my room was pretty horrible and I found myself really bored a lot when I wasn't out with people etc. I started working on a new musical project of ambient electronic music (which Mark really liked ). The focus it gave me made it irrelevant whether or not the music was actually worth listening to and it also completely mirrored my mindset at the time. It's very organic, improvised, chilled out music which actually started to help me sleep so the creation itself started to get in the way of the mindset that created it
I don't think I've ever really created anything truly worthwhile to anyone else but I'm a lot better off for having tried. I go crazy without writing or recording.
Very accurately stated.
From what you have said I am sure you have ADD or ADHD.
I would say that most artistic ppl have these mental issues.
I have it, the ADD thingy, or maybe it ADHD.
Maybe ppl can have both.
Very accurately stated.
From what you have said I am sure you have ADD or ADHD.
I would say that most artistic ppl have these mental issues.
Do you follow what I am saying?
Nah, I'm not at all ADHD. It's weird. When I say I'm disordered and restless, it's not a physical thing. I don't need to be doing physical stuff at all times. I just need to be doing stuff when I'm thinking too much about things. I'm a very emotionally led person and it can become a strain sometimes
You wouldn't reckon I had ADHD or anything if you met me. Not that kind of person. On the surface I'm very relaxed, often to the point of apathy. It's underneath where the turbulence is
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
Very accurately stated.
From what you have said I am sure you have ADD or ADHD.
I would say that most artistic ppl have these mental issues.
I have it, the ADD thingy, or maybe it ADHD.
Maybe ppl can have both.
Do you follow what I am saying?
One thing that I do wonder about is why a lot of artistic people have mental health issues?
Is the artistic temperament the cause or the symptom?
(Not picking on you Chad, honestly This is a question for everyone)
Nah, I'm not at all ADHD. It's weird. When I say I'm disordered and restless, it's not a physical thing. I don't need to be doing physical stuff at all times. I just need to be doing stuff when I'm thinking too much about things. I'm a very emotionally led person and it can become a strain sometimes
You wouldn't reckon I had ADHD or anything if you met me. Not that kind of person. On the surface I'm very relaxed, often to the point of apathy. It's underneath where the turbulence is
and that to me is what ADD is.
i am the same way dude.
your mind runs non-stop, yes?
so many thoughts at one given time
you are overflowing with them all day,night long.
One thing that I do wonder about is why a lot of artistic people have mental health issues?
Is the artistic temperament the cause or the symptom?
(Not picking on you Chad, honestly This is a question for everyone)
ask a very successful guitarist in a wonderful
talented very awesome band why he/she is a raging alcholic or cocaine addict..
they have attidictive personality disorders.
they are actually a train wreck inside.
why on earth was jim morrison a disaster, janis joplin, lane staley, ect ect ect.
the list is endless..all have mental and substance issues..
and that to me is what ADD is.
i am the same way dude.
your mind runs non-stop, yes?
so many thoughts at one given time
you are overflowing with them all day,night long.
am i right?
I'm having one of those days today... my mind won't stop racing about a million things and I'd love to create something to 'exorcise the demons' but that would just give me even more to think about and make the restlessness even worse.
I need a harmless little mind-altering drug I think.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
I'm having one of those days today... my mind won't stop racing about a million things and I'd love to create something to 'exorcise the demons' but that would just give me even more to think about and make the restlessness even worse.
I need a harmless little mind-altering drug I think.
i sware to god
smoke a joint
off to the races
you will go
with writing pen in hand
I'm having one of those days today... my mind won't stop racing about a million things and I'd love to create something to 'exorcise the demons' but that would just give me even more to think about and make the restlessness even worse.
I need a harmless little mind-altering drug I think.
One thing that I do wonder about is why a lot of artistic people have mental health issues?
Is the artistic temperament the cause or the symptom?
(Not picking on you Chad, honestly This is a question for everyone)
Probably both.
I think if you have a mental illness your world view will be different and a way to show that to others is by actually showing it, visually, for example. It might be a way to escape their troubled minds, too. It might be to create some order from that chaos that lives in their heads.
Nor me
I guess I am just asking unanswerable questions... I just find the whole thing so mysterious and completely compelling...
It's like a whole world I can't get to y'know?
It's fascinating for me to see other people talk about stuff they HAVE to express in their art. Because for me, it's not that kind of urgent expression - I'll have an idea for something, and it might be inspired by a feeling I have, or it might just be some random idea that I think might be cool or funny. When I said lyrics can be cathartic... I have to channel that. It's not like I wouldn't be able to sleep without getting it out. The closest I come to that is not wanting to forget an idea while I sleep.
I'm a phoney.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
ask a very successful guitarist in a wonderful
talented very awesome band why he/she is a raging alcholic or cocaine addict..
they have attidictive personality disorders.
they are actually a train wreck inside.
why on earth was jim morrison a disaster, janis joplin, lane staley, ect ect ect.
the list is endless..all have mental and substance issues..
But you could argue they just used a lot because they lived in that culture of drugs. And became addictive. You could argue that they needed those drugs to escape the world the were forced into.
It's fascinating for me to see other people talk about stuff they HAVE to express in their art. Because for me, it's not that kind of urgent expression - I'll have an idea for something, and it might be inspired by a feeling I have, or it might just be some random idea that I think might be cool or funny. When I said lyrics can be cathartic... I have to channel that. It's not like I wouldn't be able to sleep without getting it out. The closest I come to that is not wanting to forget an idea while I sleep.
I'm a phoney.
Well I've taxed my brain enough for one Sunday
I'm off to sleep on it.
I'll leave all you artistic souls (and phoney's ) to sleep... or not sleep, whatever the case may be
But you could argue they just used a lot because they lived in that culture of drugs. And became addictive. You could argue that they needed those drugs to escape the world the were forced into.
well yes but no matter the compulsive starvation
that needs fed, they are real rather they are drugs
that need fed or the marathon runner who craves
the wind in his/her hair sending them into a high over excercise.
artistic energy is an animal
it lives and breathes
it is so powerful it can change
1 single life or it can change entire countries
mona lisa...example
probably the most famous painting ever
to me it is a lovely painting,
but it doesn't give my heart that earth quake type jolt..
yet millions sware by it,
i am off to get my math homework completed before tomorrow.
but for now,, in closing .. for now
when a person litterally gets high
off of their artistic expression
that is sheer-bliss-nirvana, tranquility, and the essence of sanctuary..
i love every god dam momment of it..
when i write something pretty decent,,,i am high as a kite,,,
litterally a buzz unlike any other
that my friends is one huge reason artists do what they do
you cannot stop their hearts...
their hearts are high as kites...
truest fact...guaranteed
oh for sure i understand why what's his nuts cut off his artistic ear for some chic..not that it is the best way, the right way, or whatever way it is..
i can feel his overflowing passion..
art hurts like a bitch..
art truly causes pain, even pain can be beautiful..
the painter of a meadow filled with wild flowers,,,crys at his/her creation..
they just poured their heart out onto a canvas..
emotions are filled with every paint-brush stroke..
same as any art, sewing a quilt...composing music..
they all have intent to be delivered to whomever..
everyone has the chance to see/feel art as how they choose to see/feel it.
art is alive..
it wasnt his whole ear... just the lobe.
the van gogh family have a rich history of mental illness.
vincents brother theo was manic depressive
his other brother cornelius committed suicide
his sister wilhelmina was committed to an insane asylum
2 of his paternal uncles were afflicted with mental illness
a maternal aunt was very likely manic depressive.
im cyclomthymic and i know if i didnt/couldnt write(amongst other things that give me an outlet) i would be dead. im absolutely certain of it.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
there are other things i do, but they are destructive. writing is the only coping mechanism i have that is constructive.
Same. If I don't write or record music then I just mope about or drink and neither help me in any way. Being creative is the only thing that works when I need some sort of therapy.
It's all catharsis.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
the van gogh family have a rich history of mental illness.
vincents brother theo was manic depressive
his other brother cornelius committed suicide
his sister wilhelmina was committed to an insane asylum
2 of his paternal uncles were afflicted with mental illness
a maternal aunt was very likely manic depressive.
im cyclomthymic and i know if i didnt/couldnt write(amongst other things that give me an outlet) i would be dead. im absolutely certain of it.
i agree..
have to write, no ifs ands or buts about it..
it breathes to be written..
my nowhere would become everywhere i am without it..
Same. If I don't write or record music then I just mope about or drink and neither help me in any way. Being creative is the only thing that works when I need some sort of therapy.
It's all catharsis.
you are both fantastic,
well said,
my soothing brush painting strokes
of a 2 day ritual to mega infinity woofers
and black sabbath "into the void" breathing incense..
Comments
ppl who are artistic
do it because they love it
they have fun with it
they really have no choice..
that's how i look at it
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I'm a very disordered person and always seem to being a million different places feeling a million different things at once and it can become overwhelming sometimes. When I create something, OR when I listen to someone else's music or watch a film or read a book, the intense focus on something so personal makes me feel like I have some sort of direction for a little while.
When I started uni I was having a lot of trouble sleeping for some reason. Partially I missed home and also my room was pretty horrible and I found myself really bored a lot when I wasn't out with people etc. I started working on a new musical project of ambient electronic music (which Mark really liked
I don't think I've ever really created anything truly worthwhile to anyone else but I'm a lot better off for having tried. I go crazy without writing or recording.
Very accurately stated.
From what you have said I am sure you have ADD or ADHD.
I would say that most artistic ppl have these mental issues.
I have it, the ADD thingy, or maybe it ADHD.
Maybe ppl can have both.
Do you follow what I am saying?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
You wouldn't reckon I had ADHD or anything if you met me. Not that kind of person. On the surface I'm very relaxed, often to the point of apathy. It's underneath where the turbulence is
Is the artistic temperament the cause or the symptom?
(Not picking on you Chad, honestly
Wembley 18/06/07
If there was a reason, it was you.
O2 Arena 18/09/09
Maybe lots of non-artistic have mental health issues, and they just never express themselves freely enough to show it?
Just thinking "out loud" here, I really have no idea.
I guess I am just asking unanswerable questions... I just find the whole thing so mysterious and completely compelling...
It's like a whole world I can't get to y'know?
Wembley 18/06/07
If there was a reason, it was you.
O2 Arena 18/09/09
and that to me is what ADD is.
i am the same way dude.
your mind runs non-stop, yes?
so many thoughts at one given time
you are overflowing with them all day,night long.
am i right?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
ask a very successful guitarist in a wonderful
talented very awesome band why he/she is a raging alcholic or cocaine addict..
they have attidictive personality disorders.
they are actually a train wreck inside.
why on earth was jim morrison a disaster, janis joplin, lane staley, ect ect ect.
the list is endless..all have mental and substance issues..
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I'm having one of those days today... my mind won't stop racing about a million things and I'd love to create something to 'exorcise the demons' but that would just give me even more to think about and make the restlessness even worse.
I need a harmless little mind-altering drug I think.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
i sware to god
smoke a joint
off to the races
you will go
with writing pen in hand
promise...
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Wembley 18/06/07
If there was a reason, it was you.
O2 Arena 18/09/09
Probably both.
I think if you have a mental illness your world view will be different and a way to show that to others is by actually showing it, visually, for example. It might be a way to escape their troubled minds, too. It might be to create some order from that chaos that lives in their heads.
I don't know, I'm just as clueless as you.
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It's fascinating for me to see other people talk about stuff they HAVE to express in their art. Because for me, it's not that kind of urgent expression - I'll have an idea for something, and it might be inspired by a feeling I have, or it might just be some random idea that I think might be cool or funny. When I said lyrics can be cathartic... I have to channel that. It's not like I wouldn't be able to sleep without getting it out. The closest I come to that is not wanting to forget an idea while I sleep.
I'm a phoney.
Hell yeah that'd be nice. Got any?
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
I haven't. *Dons giant chicken suit and heads to Walmart*
But you could argue they just used a lot because they lived in that culture of drugs. And became addictive. You could argue that they needed those drugs to escape the world the were forced into.
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I'm off to sleep on it.
I'll leave all you artistic souls (and phoney's
Wembley 18/06/07
If there was a reason, it was you.
O2 Arena 18/09/09
To quote ODB:
"Yo.. all my bitches that make money throw ya motherfuckin' hands in the air, cuz it's all about the money!!"
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well yes but no matter the compulsive starvation
that needs fed, they are real rather they are drugs
that need fed or the marathon runner who craves
the wind in his/her hair sending them into a high over excercise.
artistic energy is an animal
it lives and breathes
it is so powerful it can change
1 single life or it can change entire countries
mona lisa...example
probably the most famous painting ever
to me it is a lovely painting,
but it doesn't give my heart that earth quake type jolt..
yet millions sware by it,
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
but for now,, in closing .. for now
when a person litterally gets high
off of their artistic expression
that is sheer-bliss-nirvana, tranquility, and the essence of sanctuary..
i love every god dam momment of it..
when i write something pretty decent,,,i am high as a kite,,,
litterally a buzz unlike any other
that my friends is one huge reason artists do what they do
you cannot stop their hearts...
their hearts are high as kites...
truest fact...guaranteed
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
it wasnt his whole ear... just the lobe.
the van gogh family have a rich history of mental illness.
vincents brother theo was manic depressive
his other brother cornelius committed suicide
his sister wilhelmina was committed to an insane asylum
2 of his paternal uncles were afflicted with mental illness
a maternal aunt was very likely manic depressive.
im cyclomthymic and i know if i didnt/couldnt write(amongst other things that give me an outlet) i would be dead. im absolutely certain of it.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Am I completely off track here?
Wembley 18/06/07
If there was a reason, it was you.
O2 Arena 18/09/09
writing is my therapy.
there are other things i do, but they are destructive. writing is the only coping mechanism i have that is constructive.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
It's all catharsis.
i agree..
have to write, no ifs ands or buts about it..
it breathes to be written..
my nowhere would become everywhere i am without it..
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
you are both fantastic,
well said,
my soothing brush painting strokes
of a 2 day ritual to mega infinity woofers
and black sabbath "into the void" breathing incense..
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce