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  • PJ_Saluki
    PJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    Have any of them been disabled from birth? Why do you assume they give a rats ass whether they can walk or not?

    Uh, because walking is pretty cool. Kind of makes things easier. Pretty sure that while they may not hate themselves for not being able to walk, they must get down about the fact they can't walk sometimes. Being in a wheelchair is a pain in the ass.
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  • harmless_little_f***
    harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    Bare in mind I am talking about people who've been disabled from birth, so are entirely used to it. They've never lived life any other way:
    PJ_Saluki wrote:
    Uh, because walking is pretty cool. Kind of makes things easier.

    What things are made easier by walking?
    PJ_Saluki wrote:
    Pretty sure that while they may not hate themselves for not being able to walk, they must get down about the fact they can't walk sometimes.

    What makes you sure about that?
    PJ_Saluki wrote:
    Being in a wheelchair is a pain in the ass.

    According to who? You? Because I think walking must be a pain in the arse. I can go miles and miles and miles on a day out, and while everyone else is panting, getting leg stitches and sweating from their eyeballs, I'm absolutely fine.
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

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  • PJ_Saluki
    PJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    Bare in mind I am talking about people who've been disabled from birth, so are entirely used to it. They've never lived life any other way:



    What things are made easier by walking?



    What makes you sure about that?



    According to who? You? Because I think walking must be a pain in the arse. I can go miles and miles and miles on a day out, and while everyone else is panting, getting leg stitches and sweating from their eyeballs, I'm absolutely fine.

    So, are you in a wheelchair?
    "Almost all those politicians took money from Enron, and there they are holding hearings. That's like O.J. Simpson getting in the Rae Carruth jury pool." -- Charles Barkley
  • harmless_little_f***
    harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    PJ_Saluki wrote:
    So, are you in a wheelchair?

    Yes.
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • Rygar
    Rygar Posts: 8,711
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    What things are made easier by walking?
    Doors and automobiles, for starters. I'd say stairs, but that doesn't really count.
    And no, I'm not making a joke.
  • PJ_Saluki
    PJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    It's not like being in a wheelchair makes someone less of a person. I just think it has to make some things harder.
    "Almost all those politicians took money from Enron, and there they are holding hearings. That's like O.J. Simpson getting in the Rae Carruth jury pool." -- Charles Barkley
  • harmless_little_f***
    harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    Rygar wrote:
    Doors and automobiles, for starters. I'd say stairs, but that doesn't really count.
    And no, I'm not making a joke.

    Doors? If building developers made them wider (which they are starting to) we'd have no problem. Many disabled people can open doors themselves, and if not - there are people around to hold doors open for them.. This is a moot point as I see 'walkers' holding doors open for each other all the time, albeit usually men who wish to get into a certain damsel in destress' pants. ;)

    Most disabled people I know are able to drive, and if not, it's usually because of perceptual or audio-visual problems, not mobility.
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • Rygar
    Rygar Posts: 8,711
    PJ_Saluki wrote:
    It's not like being in a wheelchair makes someone less of a person. I just think it has to make some things harder.
    Agreed.
  • Rygar
    Rygar Posts: 8,711
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    Doors? If building developers made them wider (which they are starting to) we'd have no problem. Many disabled people can open doors themselves, and if not - there are people around to hold doors open for them.. This is a moot point as I see 'walkers' holding doors open for each other all the time, albeit men who wish to get into a certain damsel in destress' pants. ;)

    Most disabled people I know are able to drive, and if not, it's usually because of perceptual or audio-visual problems, not mobility.
    Oh I agree, I'm just saying they are easier to manage when walking.
  • harmless_little_f***
    harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    PJ_Saluki wrote:
    It's not like being in a wheelchair makes someone less of a person. I just think it has to make some things harder.

    I have many hobbies which have been at least partly inspired by the fact that I am in a wheelchair; I paint, write, play music.. all of these 'sit down' hobbies. However, even if I was walking, there's nothing to say that I still wouldn't prefer painting and writing to - say - playing football, because I might still think that football sucks, as do many people who can walk. Similarly, I know many people who walk but have never been on a hike, simply because they can't be bothered. They don't want to. It doesn't interest them. These things are about preference, not ability.
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • comebackwoman
    comebackwoman Posts: 7,271
    Sometimes people do bad things. It doesn't mean they're a bad person...unless they're unable/unwilling to see any wrongdoing after it's brought to their attention and they can't find any empathy. It was a shitty thing to do...but he's acknowledged it and admitted he feels badly about doing it.
    There's a light when my baby's in my arms :)
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    comebackgirl wrote:
    Sometimes people do bad things. It doesn't mean they're a bad person...unless they're unable/unwilling to see any wrongdoing after it's brought to their attention and they can't find any empathy. It was a shitty thing to do...but he's acknowledged it and admitted he feels badly about doing it.

    and sometimes people just suck.
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  • comebackwoman
    comebackwoman Posts: 7,271
    catefrances wrote:
    and sometimes people just suck.
    mean people suck :(
    There's a light when my baby's in my arms :)
  • harmless_little_f***
    harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    Rygar wrote:
    Oh I agree, I'm just saying they are easier to manage when walking.

    My point is that when able-bodied people say 'It must be easier/better to be able to walk', they are working from a very extreme bias. All their lives they have been able to walk and they see nothing else. Similarly, people who have been in wheelchairs for life - much of the time, not all - look at people who walk and feel no envy or jealousy what-so-ever. I've used this comparison before but I'll use it again, because it's a valid one: I've never wished I was black, or blonde, and I've never wished I had brown eyes, or that I was less hairy. Why would I wish I was any different? The world is *usually* adequately equipped to make my life as a wheelchair user just as easy as yours is. When it isn't, it's my environment's problem, not mine - the environment is not adapted to the needs of disabled people, and that is the difficulty; my not being able to walk is no problem. The fact that it bothers others, is.
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • Rygar
    Rygar Posts: 8,711
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    My point is that when able-bodied people say 'It must be easier/better to be able to walk', they are working from a very extreme bias. All their lives they have been able to walk and they see nothing else. Similarly, people who have been in wheelchairs for life - much of the time, not all - look at people who walk and feel no envy or jealousy what-so-ever. I've used this comparison before but I'll use it again, because it's a valid one: I've never wished I was black, or blonde, and I've never wished I had brown eyes, or that I was less hairy. The world is *usually* adequately equipped to make my life as a wheelchair user just as easy as yours is.
    My point of view is based on some personal time in a wheelie due to injury, not a pity standpoint.
    I understand what you're saying, HLF.
  • harmless_little_f***
    harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    Rygar wrote:
    My point of view is based on some personal time in a wheelie due to injury, not a pity standpoint.
    I understand what you're saying, HLF.

    Well, as I said, I talk as someone who's been disabled for life, which is a different kettle of fish. Man, even I can spare some sympathy for people with acquired disabilities. :)
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • Rygar
    Rygar Posts: 8,711
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    Well, as I said, I talk as someone who's been disabled for life, which is a different kettle of fish. Man, even I can spare some sympathy for people with acquired disabilities. :)
    I didn't feel too bad for myself at the time. I was rollin for about 2 months I think, give or take a week.
    Not every able-bodied joe looks at someone in a wheel chair as less a person, either.


    On topic, it is conceivable that dum dum was all about screwing the hotel over all the while never considering what he was doing to other guests.
    I'm not saying it is ok, I'm just saying put the hammer and the nails down for a minute ;)
  • harmless_little_f***
    harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    Rygar wrote:
    Not every able-bodied joe looks at someone in a wheel chair as less a person, either.

    I didn't say they did.. but there is a prevalent view that we are 'disadvantaged' people. :)
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • Rygar
    Rygar Posts: 8,711
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    I didn't say they did.. but there is a prevalent view that we are 'disadvantaged' people. :)
    I will agree with your opinion on that.
  • GreenTeaDisease
    GreenTeaDisease Posts: 3,359
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    I didn't say they did.. but there is a prevalent view that we are 'disadvantaged' people. :)

    I totally agree with you harmless! I'm sure many people who suffer an injury and wind up not being able to walk or do other things might consider themselves disadvantaged. but it's true what you're saying- if that's all you know, then you really have nothing to compare it, you're just you. (although I have to disagree with you on wishing you were another race or something- when I was little I prayed every night to wake up blond because the teachers treated the blond girls better. then when I was high school I wished I was asian because my asian friends got all the guys).

    but I think what everyone's trying to say is that a wheelchair is big piece of equipment that could prove to bothersome at times. it's great that you've got the tools to minimize that. I guess I would just say it's probably like being 7 feet tall and not being able to sit on planes, or being a little person and not being able to reach everything- there are like a million examples.

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