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giventoflyjbs wrote:

I don't understand the need to post in the Pit about how fed up you are with YOUR CUSTOMERS stating their opinions, no matter what tone those opinions take. Listen, the bitching gets to me as much as anyone, but a childish post from a representative of the band calling people losers isn't going to accomplish anything. It's just weak is what it is.

As if it wasn't apparent enough that the times have truly changed with the announcement of the partnership with Verizon.

No way man, its nice to see someone close to the band finally telling these childish losers to shut up and be grateful for everything they do for them, and as for verizon, its a new way of distributing bootlegs, a lot of people want their music on the their phones, and this is the band jumping on the bandwagon to do more for the collective fan base, its not about money or selling out, i mean its obviously about money but i doubt that is the main reason for doing it, and also if someone said ok you can things this way and not make money or you could do the exact same thing AND make money off it youre telling me youd choose to do it for free? i call bullshit.

giventoflyjbs wrote:

I don't understand the need to post in the Pit about how fed up you are with YOUR CUSTOMERS stating their opinions, no matter what tone those opinions take. Listen, the bitching gets to me as much as anyone, but a childish post from a representative of the band calling people losers isn't going to accomplish anything. It's just weak is what it is.

As if it wasn't apparent enough that the times have truly changed with the announcement of the partnership with Verizon.

Could have handled it better.

I will say that, i don't like ames and i don't buy them unless they appeal to me

giventoflyjbs wrote:

I don't understand the need to post in the Pit about how fed up you are with YOUR CUSTOMERS stating their opinions, no matter what tone those opinions take. Listen, the bitching gets to me as much as anyone, but a childish post from a representative of the band calling people losers isn't going to accomplish anything. It's just weak is what it is.

As if it wasn't apparent enough that the times have truly changed with the announcement of the partnership with Verizon.

Couldnt disagree with you more. Yes, you are the customer, but it is THEIR website. If you want to have an opinion, or trash the band or any of the artists or reps, start your own website, or blog, or whatever the fuck it is that people do these days and state your rant or opinion there. I said this MANY MANY times, that ONE day, someone would have enough of the shit that goes on around here, and I APPLAUD TB for FINALLY coming here and calling someone out. You might see it as weak and uncalled for, I see it LONG LONG overdue and COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED. In some people eyes, this band can do NO RIGHT. It is either too expensive, or it is too far away, or they dont tour the south, or why cant I have a HARD cd and on and on. Yet EACH AND EVERY TOUR, they TRY to improve on the last one whether you people see that or not. We wanted wristbands? WE got got em. We wanted options on cds? We got em.. I get that you cant please everyone, and that no matter WHAT they do, the band, the mods, the 10C whatever, SOMEONE will be bent. I still defy you to tell me that 90% of EVERYTHING this band and its family does isnt for us! they know who we are, they know that most of us care, and they know that sometimes they cant do for everyone. If they choose to finally "sell out" as some of those so eloquently put it and try do do something for themselves and pocket a little more coin than maybe they normally have in the past, GOOD FOR THEM!! I am not foolish enough to think that they dont make $$, and that they dont make ALOT of $$ off ME. but they are a band, and it is the music that brought most of us together, the rest is fucking gravy. So if you or anyone else doesnt like the product, what it does for you, how it is represented, then please, do as I said, start your own site and trash away, because everyone has a breaking point. Tim showed you his today, and if this shit keeps up, maybe someday the band will show us as well. Not touring, ONLY doing benefits or corporate shows and dibanding the 10C all together. Dont think it will happen? I'll bet alot of folks didnt think that TB would do this? Is it gonna stop? Prob not, but I will bet that the people who continue wont be around here too much longer and the gauntlet has been dropped. Maybe this will clean house a bit and some of the people he referred to will disapear. One can only hope! Have a nice day!

pjtradeking wrote:

Couldnt disagree with you more. Yes, you are the customer, but it is THEIR website. If you want to have an opinion, or trash the band or any of the artists or reps, start your own website, or blog, or whatever the fuck it is that people do these days and state your rant or opinion there. I said this MANY MANY times, that ONE day, someone would have enough of the shit that goes on around here, and I APPLAUD TB for FINALLY coming here and calling someone out. You might see it as weak and uncalled for, I see it LONG LONG overdue and COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED. In some people eyes, this band can do NO RIGHT. It is either too expensive, or it is too far away, or they dont tour the south, or why cant I have a HARD cd and on and on. Yet EACH AND EVERY TOUR, they TRY to improve on the last one whether you people see that or not. We wanted wristbands? WE got got em. We wanted options on cds? We got em.. I get that you cant please everyone, and that no matter WHAT they do, the band, the mods, the 10C whatever, SOMEONE will be bent. I still defy you to tell me that 90% of EVERYTHING this band and its family does isnt for us! they know who we are, they know that most of us care, and they know that sometimes they cant do for everyone. If they choose to finally "sell out" as some of those so eloquently put it and try do do something for themselves and pocket a little more coin than maybe they normally have in the past, GOOD FOR THEM!! I am not foolish enough to think that they dont make $$, and that they dont make ALOT of $$ off ME. but they are a band, and it is the music that brought most of us together, the rest is fucking gravy. So if you or anyone else doesnt like the product, what it does for you, how it is represented, then please, do as I said, start your own site and trash away, because everyone has a breaking point. Tim showed you his today, and if this shit keeps up, maybe someday the band will show us as well. Not touring, ONLY doing benefits or corporate shows and dibanding the 10C all together. Dont think it will happen? I'll bet alot of folks didnt think that TB would do this? Is it gonna stop? Prob not, but I will bet that the people who continue wont be around here too much longer and the gauntlet has been dropped. Maybe this will clean house a bit and some of the people he referred to will disapear. One can only hope! Have a nice day!

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Well, love of art might be subjective, but crap quality shirts is universally agreed upon.

Tim, I'm with you 100%.
And PJTradeKing, I'm with you 150%!!! Well said.

giventoflyjbs wrote:

As for Verizon, my only point is that times have changed since the days of "sponsored by no one." .

Last I checked, they are still sponsored by no one.

giventoflyjbs wrote:

I with you on the I worship PJ thing, but you're wrong on free speech. One thing pjtradeking is right about is that this is PJ's website and they can shut down speech as much as they want. The First Amendment only applies to regulation of speech by the government, not by private entities.

pjtradeking, I agree with you that the bitching is f'ing outrageous and it drives me insane, but why should the band care if people come on here and bitch? How does that add stress to their lives? Why don't they just go about their business and simply monitor the site for positive response and constructive criticism and let the rest fall by the wayside? Why does any of the petty crap that goes on on here require a response that stoops to the level of that petty crap? I just think Tim's post was silly and over the top. No need to call fans losers for complaining, just write something in sticky to the effect of the "1-800-IDNT-CARE" line and lock the thread. Go on with their lives.

The way I see it is it's not the constructive criticism that they dislike but the really negative ones. They obviously have listened to posts here and made quite a few new additions. The cd's, flac, mp3's, dl's for phones, bands for the posters at concerts, lighters, PJ stuff for kids, etc. There just is never a need to be negative here. It's all good or should be. Post a thread if you want something they don't offer but don't knock what they do offer, because you can be sure some do.

If I had a forum with a constant, unending performance evaluation and somebody was calling my hard work shit, I have a response that would give people whiplash.

'cause - http://chotchkies.flair.nliven.com/flair_img/2/a/3/e/2a3e14d7b36034b7214fcb4e3834a5122f382255.jpg

pjtradeking wrote:

I am not necessarily talking about the band itself here..and also, it is hard sometimes to find the positive here on a daily basis to focus on...Would you care if people were talking bad about you and your family? One thing to remember here is that these guys/gals are all friends, brothers, sisters, however you want to spin it. These arent Sony reps that monitor here, they are tight and care about one another and in most cases have a long history....The guys at Ames and TB are friends, it is more than a business relationship we are talking about here.. If I was in charge of a website, or whatever, and I came here everyday and saw people infesting what is SUPPOSE to be positive environment, with crap about my family day in and day out, I would find it hard to let it go, let alone for as long as it has been going on. No different than going to school and hearing someone tell you that your sister was a whore. Maybe in the beginning, you would blow it off as kids being kids, but after a while if you had to hear it EVERY SINGLE DAY, you would crack too. That is just the way I see it is all..:)

Fair enough. I just think the "crack" could have been handled a little better.

Sick poster collection, by the way. Hopefully you won't add a WPB '08 to ruin it