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    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    Well, as I said, I talk as someone who's been disabled for life, which is a different kettle of fish. Man, even I can spare some sympathy for people with acquired disabilities. :)

    This guy is a Jungle favorite on the Jim Rome show. Really solid, upbeat individual.

    http://www.jimmaclaren.com/about.htm

    "Jim was born on April 13, 1963. In 1985, at the age of 22, Jim lost his left leg below the knee in a motorcycle accident. He recovered, and went on to run the marathon in 3 hours, 16 minutes, and to finish the Ironman Hawaii in 10 hours, 42 minutes. Then, in 1993, during the Orange County Ironman, Jim was struck by a van and collided with a signpost, rendering him a quadriplegic. Again, Jim recovered, but was confined to a wheelchair and now works as a motivational speaker and author. Jim has most recently suffered from a home accident. While sitting in his wheelchair on his porch a gust of wind blew his front door open, slammed into his wheelchair causing it to fall over. Later that night his good knee swelled up and it was discovered that he broke his kneecap in the fall."

    I guess Jim is in a real bad place now. One of his friends came on the Jim Rome show today and said MacLaren is very depressed and in a financial bind.

    HeadNorth.org is setting up an account for Jim MacLaren or other folks who have experienced catastrophic injuries if anyone is interested:

    http://www.headnorth.org/
    "Almost all those politicians took money from Enron, and there they are holding hearings. That's like O.J. Simpson getting in the Rae Carruth jury pool." -- Charles Barkley
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    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    Of course she meant no harm, I didn't say that at all. I was merely interested in that point she was making. I meant no harm either.

    That said, I know several people who have been disabled from birth (like myself) and for them, wishing you could walk is akin to wishing you were blonde, or your skin was black. The idea that walking = 'better' is an inadequate, and usually able-bodied-centric, view. We're not talking about wheelchairs having their 'plus points' but we are talking about human beings being proud of themselves for what they are and perfectly happy in their own skin.

    I was traveling and still haven't read pages 4 and 5 of this thread, but I wanted to respond as you make a VERY fair point. The people I work with are developmentally disabled as well as a couple being in wheelchairs. I do not know who has been in a chair since birth. One of them, has expressed the feeling more than once that she wishes she could walk. Perhaps I was colored by my own feelings of being glad that I can walk, and would personally hate to not be able to. But as you say, it can be different if you have had a different experience your whole life. However I wasn't trying to be negative or anything - my feelings were expressed in response to someone who cheated to unfairly get extra advantages that they don't need.
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    JaneNY wrote:
    I was traveling and still haven't read pages 4 and 5 of this thread, but I wanted to respond as you make a VERY fair point. The people I work with are developmentally disabled as well as a couple being in wheelchairs. I do not know who has been in a chair since birth. One of them, has expressed the feeling more than once that she wishes she could walk. Perhaps I was colored by my own feelings of being glad that I can walk, and would personally hate to not be able to. But as you say, it can be different if you have had a different experience your whole life. However I wasn't trying to be negative or anything - my feelings were expressed in response to someone who cheated to unfairly get extra advantages that they don't need.

    Of course.. which was out of order. I neither took, nor meant, any offence. :)
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

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    the man made a mistake and he did admitt it takes more of a man to admitt mistakes than one trying to justify them ,i believe him to be a good guy and i know i'm not perfect at all ....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Posts: 2,535
    I wouldn't argue with Harmless any day of the week.





    I know he said he was sorry and shit but damn.

    Also, why would you assume that there's not 12 people who are in actual wheelchairs but would assume that there's 12 other people trying to pull a scam? 12 people in wheelchairs equal a convention? I had no idea being in a wheelchair was that rare. <----sarcasm.
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    josevolution wrote:
    the man made a mistake and he did admitt it takes more of a man to admitt mistakes than one trying to justify them ,i believe him to be a good guy and i know i'm not perfect at all ....

    agreed. he is a good guy. everyone just needs to back off a bit. its not like he beat the shit outta someone and stole a wheelchair to sell it for crack and hookers here. calm down people.
    Peace, Love.

    "To question your government is not unpatriotic --
    to not question your government is unpatriotic."
    -- Sen. Chuck Hagel
  • Posts: 3,359
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    Also, why would you assume that there's not 12 people who are in actual wheelchairs but would assume that there's 12 other people trying to pull a scam? 12 people in wheelchairs equal a convention? I had no idea being in a wheelchair was that rare. <----sarcasm.

    I really didn't understand that either. Seems the former would be much more likely than the latter. As responses to this thread show, not many people would actually try to pull this "scam" (I don't really get how it's a scam, it's more just like a lie). There are a lot of people in wheel chairs...as people pointed out, not just for permanent reasons either, if you take into account people who may have injuries or surgeries...12 is a totally realistic number. Maybe not like 100 when you're talking 1 hotel, but 12, sure.
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    GreenTeaDisease wrote:
    I really didn't understand that either. Seems the former would be much more likely than the latter. As responses to this thread show, not many people would actually try to pull this "scam" (I don't really get how it's a scam, it's more just like a lie). There are a lot of people in wheel chairs...as people pointed out, not just for permanent reasons either, if you take into account people who may have injuries or surgeries...12 is a totally realistic number. Maybe not like 100 when you're talking 1 hotel, but 12, sure.

    Look, I said I was sorry, and I felt bad about it later.
    Can ya let it fucking go already?
    Just let it go. WTF?
    Do ya wanna hang me in the town square too?
    I am sorry for doing a stupid thing but now I am starting to get pissed off.
    Let it go.
    Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
    Sweep the Leg Johnny.
  • Posts: 3,359
    acoustic guy wrote:
    Look, I said I was sorry, and I felt bad about it later.
    Can ya let it fucking go already?
    Just let it go. WTF?
    Do ya wanna hang me in the town square too?
    I am sorry for doing a stupid thing but now I am starting to get pissed off.
    Let it go.

    I was just discussing the numbers with Vedd Hedd.
  • Posts: 88
    acoustic guy wrote:
    Look, I said I was sorry, and I felt bad about it later.
    Can ya let it fucking go already?
    Just let it go. WTF?
    Do ya wanna hang me in the town square too?
    I am sorry for doing a stupid thing but now I am starting to get pissed off.
    Let it go.

    You're getting pissed off? You posted about a profoundly selfish act on a public message board and are now upset that people are talking about it? That makes sense.
    "Should I tell you my room is walled up? In what way might I leave it? Here is how; Goodwill knows no obstacle. Nothing can stand before a deep desire. All I have to do is imagine a door." -Schultz

    Trading stories with the leaves instead
  • Posts: 2,535
    acoustic guy wrote:
    Look, I said I was sorry, and I felt bad about it later.
    Can ya let it fucking go already?
    Just let it go. WTF?
    Do ya wanna hang me in the town square too?
    I am sorry for doing a stupid thing but now I am starting to get pissed off.
    Let it go.


    Well, Come on dude. What did you expect.
  • Posts: 3,770
    Toolgarden wrote:
    You're getting pissed off? You posted about a profoundly selfish act on a public message board and are now upset that people are talking about it? That makes sense.

    It was talked about three days ago. What else is there to say?
    Just fucking let it go.
    Stop dragging it out. Yea it was an asshole thing to do, yea people are pissed, yea I'm a terrible horrible person, I get it!
    Let it fucking go!
    Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
    Sweep the Leg Johnny.
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    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    My point is that when able-bodied people say 'It must be easier/better to be able to walk', they are working from a very extreme bias. All their lives they have been able to walk and they see nothing else. Similarly, people who have been in wheelchairs for life - much of the time, not all - look at people who walk and feel no envy or jealousy what-so-ever. I've used this comparison before but I'll use it again, because it's a valid one: I've never wished I was black, or blonde, and I've never wished I had brown eyes, or that I was less hairy. Why would I wish I was any different? The world is *usually* adequately equipped to make my life as a wheelchair user just as easy as yours is. When it isn't, it's my environment's problem, not mine - the environment is not adapted to the needs of disabled people, and that is the difficulty; my not being able to walk is no problem. The fact that it bothers others, is.


    Black, blond, brown eyes, less hairy....those are all pretty much cosmetic.

    While l agree with you on almost all of your points.......I do have one question.

    Being that you are in a wheelchair, if someone came along and said, "I have the power to make your legs work and you will be able to walk.".....would you do it?
    Turn this anger into
    Nuclear fission
  • Posts: 88
    acoustic guy wrote:
    It was talked about three days ago. What else is there to say?
    Just fucking let it go.
    Stop dragging it out. Yea it was an asshole thing to do, yea people are pissed, yea I'm a terrible horrible person, I get it!
    Let it fucking go!

    I have made mistakes that I wanted to wish away as easily. Unfortunately for you, people are going to talk about it until they are "fucking" done talking about it. Don't worry, it will all be over soon and we can all get on to discussing tv shows again.
    "Should I tell you my room is walled up? In what way might I leave it? Here is how; Goodwill knows no obstacle. Nothing can stand before a deep desire. All I have to do is imagine a door." -Schultz

    Trading stories with the leaves instead
  • Posts: 4,315
    acoustic guy wrote:
    It was talked about three days ago. What else is there to say?
    Just fucking let it go.
    Stop dragging it out. Yea it was an asshole thing to do, yea people are pissed, yea I'm a terrible horrible person, I get it!
    Let it fucking go!

    You are not a horrible person....these people will calm down in a bit!!

    acoustic guy wrote:
    Well lookie what we have here!
    A bunch of innocent angel do gooders who never did anything like this before.
    Oh no, none of you have ever did anything wrong in your life right?
    BULLSHIT.
    Maybe it was not the nicest thing to do, okay. But give me a break please people. I love how all of you put on a front like you are totally innocent people.
    The regular ones who I talk to on here know I am not a bad guy.
    Lighten up.
    LOL, nigga please.


    This cracked me up.......
    And so the lion fell in love with the lamb...,"
    "What a stupid lamb."
    "What a sick, masochistic lion."
  • Posts: 4,315
    acoustic guy wrote:
    It was talked about three days ago. What else is there to say?
    Just fucking let it go.
    Stop dragging it out. Yea it was an asshole thing to do, yea people are pissed, yea I'm a terrible horrible person, I get it!
    Let it fucking go!


    Dude, what I really don't understand is why you give a shit what a bunch of people on a message board say or feel or think of you!?!? Seriously, this will be deleted or locked soon enough and we can continue with all the fucking depressing shitty threads they let go for almost 50 pages!! :p
    And so the lion fell in love with the lamb...,"
    "What a stupid lamb."
    "What a sick, masochistic lion."
  • Posts: 4,315
    the wolf wrote:
    agreed. he is a good guy. everyone just needs to back off a bit. its not like he beat the shit outta someone and stole a wheelchair to sell it for crack and hookers here. calm down people.

    hehehe...you ROCK wolf!!
    And so the lion fell in love with the lamb...,"
    "What a stupid lamb."
    "What a sick, masochistic lion."
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    Vedd Hedd wrote:
    Black, blond, brown eyes, less hairy....those are all pretty much cosmetic.

    While l agree with you on almost all of your points.......I do have one question.

    Being that you are in a wheelchair, if someone came along and said, "I have the power to make your legs work and you will be able to walk.".....would you do it?



    thank you.
    those were my exact thoughts reading many of the posts.


    you cannot compare appearances to abilities. as in ,sure, many are advantaged/disadvantaged to some degree by their appearance....but it is just SURFACE.


    i think when discussing walking/not walking, while yes, i think most who have the ability to walk would escirbe it as being *better* than NOT being able to walk, moreso i think to say one would NOT want the ability simply b/c they have never experienced isn't quite true. who hasn't said :

    i wish i could fly?
    i wish i could play an instrument?
    i wish i was good at math/science/writing/painting...etc?

    it's about abilities, not features. there are many things i have never done, probably never will, nor could...and while i'd not describe it as *envy*...or being *better*...i can safely say, yes, it would be nice to experience, to be able to do so.


    do i think my life is *less* because i cannot do these things? no, absolutely not.

    and no, i have no idea what it's like to be in a wheelchair, and honestly i don't want to know firsthand. i have never thought *less* of someone b/c of it, and i would not think less of them for wanting the ability to walk.


    btw - i enjoy many *sitting* actitivies as well. art was my major in college and grad school...but in no way would i want to stop having the ability to walk, even if i enjoy sitting on my arse a great deal. :p it's not about less or better....just being able to have the CHOICE.


    now, maybe some people wouldn't want the choice, but i would think...why not? that said, i say that as a fully able-bodied person, so only can say how *I* think...but yes, thanks vedd.



    as to the original post....i think it's been well-covered. :D
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    Let's just breathe...


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    in_hiding79 wrote:
    Dude, what I really don't understand is why you give a shit what a bunch of people on a message board say or feel or think of you!?!? :p

    Dude, I think you are talking to the wrong person....
    "Should I tell you my room is walled up? In what way might I leave it? Here is how; Goodwill knows no obstacle. Nothing can stand before a deep desire. All I have to do is imagine a door." -Schultz

    Trading stories with the leaves instead
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    GreenTeaDisease wrote:
    I was thinking like "no, actually, I have never done anything wrong." and then the first and only thing that came to my mind was that I often leave my cell phone charger plugged in.

    haha.. that was the first and only bad thing that came to mind?? :p:D

    I don't even know why that's such a bad thing:confused:... my charger's plugged in all the time. I'm pretty sure it's not going to burn my place down or make my electric bill go way up. just makes it easier to charge my phone
    Whoa, chill bro... you know you can't raise your voice like that when the lion's here.

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