"you look too young to have a child."

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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    MahoganySouls wrote:
    Oh? So unless you think it is "noble" and "courageous" to be pregnant, unmarried and 18 you are judgemental?

    See, the chip.

    where did i say it was noble? it is what it is. 18 and pregnant. but yeah, you were being judgemental.
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  • MahoganySouls
    MahoganySouls Posts: 357
    catefrances wrote:
    where did i say it was noble? it is what it is. 18 and pregnant. but yeah, you were being judgemental.
    In your perspective. In my perspective your lack of responsiblity was neither corageous or something to revere. It is a shame.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    MahoganySouls wrote:
    In your perspective. In my perspective your lack of responsiblity was neither corageous or something to revere. It is a shame.

    just like your perspective in thinking tis a shame. :) you know shit happens and people deal with it the best way they know how.
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  • MahoganySouls
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    catefrances wrote:
    just like your perspective in thinking tis a shame. :) you know shit happens and people deal with it the best way they know how.
    Oh? So you are calling the pregnancy and subsequent child "shit"? Sorry, but my experience as a mother has been no such thing. Pregnancy and child rearing is one of the best things life has to offer in my perspective. It hasn't been something I have had to "deal with" it is something that is cherished. But then, I have a "traditional family situation". Something you feel is judgemental to say is better. So you go right ahead and think like you want. When your child is messed up, he/she will come crying to someone like me for help. And rest assured, we will be capable of handling it properly.
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  • prism
    prism Posts: 2,440
    MahoganySouls wrote:
    Oh? So you are calling the pregnancy and subsequent child "shit"? Sorry, but my experience as a mother has been no such thing. Pregnancy and child rearing is one of the best things life has to offer in my perspective. It hasn't been something I have had to "deal with" it is something that is cherished. But then, I have a "traditional family situation". Something you feel is judgemental to say is better. So you go right ahead and think like you want. When your child is messed up, he/she will come crying to someone like me for help. And rest assured, we will be capable of handling it properly.

    why do you insist that any child not raised by your so-called perfect "traditional family" standards will be messed up?
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  • MahoganySouls
    MahoganySouls Posts: 357
    prism wrote:
    why do you insist that any child not raised by your so-called perfect "traditional family" standards will be messed up?
    Look around. What do you see?
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  • prism
    prism Posts: 2,440
    MahoganySouls wrote:
    Look around. What do you see?

    I see my two kids that were raised by myself alone since they were 8 months old and almost three years old that have grown into two wonderful people, that are both independant, hard working, caring individuals.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    MahoganySouls wrote:
    Oh? So you are calling the pregnancy and subsequent child "shit"? Sorry, but my experience as a mother has been no such thing. Pregnancy and child rearing is one of the best things life has to offer in my perspective. It hasn't been something I have had to "deal with" it is something that is cherished. But then, I have a "traditional family situation". Something you feel is judgemental to say is better. So you go right ahead and think like you want. When your child is messed up, he/she will come crying to someone like me for help. And rest assured, we will be capable of handling it properly.

    people do the best with the hand theyre dealt.

    and where did i say that youre judgemental because of your 'idyllic' family situation? i dont know why youre so judgemental. im thinking perhaps tis a character flaw.
    and knowing my children the way i do they will never go to someone 'like you' for advice. you seem to be under the impression that i havent dealt with this kind of thing already. and you know what, when thye did, i was more than capable of handling it.
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  • MahoganySouls
    MahoganySouls Posts: 357
    catefrances wrote:
    people do the best with the hand theyre dealt.

    and where did i say that youre judgemental because of your 'idyllic' family situation? i dont know why youre so judgemental. im thinking perhaps tis a character flaw.
    and knowing my children the way i do they will never go to someone 'like you' for advice. you seem to be under the impression that i havent dealt with this kind of thing already. and you know what, when thye did, i was more than capable of handling it.
    You attacked my pro traditional family ideology on the "shooting" thread.

    So what do you think the odds are that you wouldn't have had to "handle it" if they had been raised in a traditional way. And by handling it I certainly hope you got your child professional help. A bandaid does not fix a wound.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    MahoganySouls wrote:
    You attacked my pro traditional family ideology on the "shooting" thread.

    So what do you think the odds are that you wouldn't have had to "handle it" if they had been raised in a traditional way. And by handling it I certainly hope you got your child professional help. A bandaid does not fix a wound.

    i didnt attack your pro ideology. i attacked your thinking that it was the only way.

    i cant relive my life. nor can my children. however chances are extremely high we would have found ourselves in the same situation.
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  • MahoganySouls
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    catefrances wrote:
    i didnt attack your pro ideology. i attacked your thinking that it was the only way.

    i cant relive my life. nor can my children. however chances are extremely high we would have found ourselves in the same situation.
    So then let me ask you this. Being that you admit "hindsight" taught you alot. Would you advise young people today to make the same choices you did? If not, your way didn't work. How many other ways don't work either?
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    MahoganySouls wrote:
    So then let me ask you this. Being that you admit "hindsight" taught you alot. Would you advise young people today to make the same choices you did? If not, your way didn't work. How many other ways don't work either?

    what i tell my children is to do what they feel is best for them. there is no manual. i tell them that tis their life theyre leading and dont take crap from anyone. no one know you like yourself. i told them there is nothing they can't come to me with. and if that occasion ever arises then we will deal with it appropriately and together.
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  • MahoganySouls
    MahoganySouls Posts: 357
    catefrances wrote:
    what i tell my children is to do what they feel is best for them. there is no manual. i tell them that tis their life theyre leading and dont take crap from anyone. no one know you like yourself. i told them there is nothing they can't come to me with. and if that occasion ever arises then we will deal with it appropriately and together.
    But isnt' that the same attitude that caused your struggling in life?

    "Do what YOU feel is best" in other words "don't conform to authority"
    "there is no manual" in other words "don't look to others examples for knowledge"
    "Don't take crap from anyone" in other words "don't let anyone direct you"
    "No one knows you like yourself" in other words "critique is bs"

    I do admire your steadfastness in supporting your children no matter what though. Although, if you don't set expectations, how will they ever make successfull choices?
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    MahoganySouls wrote:
    But isnt' that the same attitude that caused your struggling in life?

    "Do what YOU feel is best" in other words "don't conform to authority"
    "there is no manual" in other words "don't look to others examples for knowledge"
    "Don't take crap from anyone" in other words "don't let anyone direct you"
    "No one knows you like yourself" in other words "critique is bs"

    I do admire your steadfastness in supporting your children no matter what though. Although, if you don't set expectations, how will they ever make successfull choices?

    my expectations for my children are only that they be happy in whatever they choose to do with THEIR lives.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    MahoganySouls wrote:
    "Do what YOU feel is best" in other words "don't conform to authority"
    absolutely.
    MahoganySouls wrote:
    "there is no manual" in other words "don't look to others examples for knowledge"
    no. it means everyone is not the same, so there is no one book that can be applied to everyone.
    MahoganySouls wrote:
    "Don't take crap from anyone" in other words "don't let anyone direct you"
    no. it means dont let people stand over you and tell you what they think is best for you. sure listen to people but make up your own mind.
    MahoganySouls wrote:
    "No one knows you like yourself" in other words "critique is bs"
    no. it means trust your instincts.
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