Lost: Season 4 (no spoilers)

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  • Posts: 2,558
    Poncier wrote:
    Jack has had his moments, like when he was doing Ben's surgery...his character is inconsistently written, sometimes he's great, other times its just "I have cancer Bailey....cancer!!!!"
    yes. i feel like i am the one with the split personality when i watch him. one minute i love him...the next i want to kill him off myself.

    same with locke, though lately he's been doing nothing BUT annoying me.
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    nfanel wrote:
    yes. i feel like i am the one with the split personality when i watch him. one minute i love him...the next i want to kill him off myself.
    OMG YES!! I keep going back and forth on my feelings for Jack. I loved S1 Jack, but THIS guy??? I don't know what to think
    nfanel wrote:
    same with locke, though lately he's been doing nothing BUT annoying me
    AGREED!! S4 Locke...just want to punch him (and I'm not a violent person at all!).
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  • Posts: 3,698
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    What is everyone's who's seen the whole things favorite season??

    Season 3 is my favorite. There are some weak episodes (the cage ones), but the build up leading to the finale (the best episode of the series so far), make it the best for me.
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  • Posts: 6,996
    I like pre island Locke much better than on island Locke. I mean most of the bad things that have happened on the island are caused by Locke: Hatch blows up because Locke loses faith in the button, Locke blows up the Flame, Locke blows up the sub, Boone dies and Locke wanders off, Locke lets Benry escape, and now season 4 Locke has totally lost it. Yeah he can control the weather and has some connection on the island and Smokey didn't kill him but for the most part he pisses me off more than probably anyone else on the show.

    Another thing that kinda troubled me about Locke is how did he kill Naomi? He couldn't kill Cooper, Jack, the cop from his flashback, but yet he could kill Naomi?
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
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    Solat13 wrote:
    I like pre island Locke much better than on island Locke. I mean most of the bad things that have happened on the island are caused by Locke: Hatch blows up because Locke loses faith in the button, Locke blows up the Flame, Locke blows up the sub, Boone dies and Locke wanders off, Locke lets Benry escape, and now season 4 Locke has totally lost it. Yeah he can control the weather and has some connection on the island and Smokey didn't kill him but for the most part he pisses me off more than probably anyone else on the show.

    Another thing that kinda troubled me about Locke is how did he kill Naomi? He couldn't kill Cooper, Jack, the cop from his flashback, but yet he could kill Naomi?
    Maybe he couldn't kill them peeps because he knew them and had some kind of an attachment to. He never had seen Naomi.
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  • Posts: 844
    He killed Naomi because Walt told him to. Simple as that.
  • Posts: 6,969
    Lostdogsinthegarden wrote:
    He killed Naomi because Walt told him to. Simple as that.

    You know, actually...as simple as that comment is...it's very true!! Walt and Locke did form a close bond and friendship...and Locke seemed to know Walt is "special".
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    AmentsChick wrote:
    You know, actually...as simple as that comment is...it's very true!! Walt and Locke did form a close bond and friendship...and Locke seemed to know Walt is "special".

    Didn't all Walt say was get up - you have work to do?

    So was "the work to do" to keep the people on the boat from contacting the island? Then Locke failed by not killing Jack and not destroying the phone.

    Do you think that is why taller ghost Walt hasn't appeared to Locke anymore and why Locke couldn't find Jacob?
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Posts: 6,969
    Solat13 wrote:
    Didn't all Walt say was get up - you have work to do?

    So was "the work to do" to keep the people on the boat from contacting the island? Then Locke failed by not killing Jack and not destroying the phone.

    Do you think that is why taller ghost Walt hasn't appeared to Locke anymore and why Locke couldn't find Jacob?


    http://lost.about.com/od/season4recaps/a/4x02recap_2.htm

    "What the hell do you mean you saw Walt?" Sawyer says. "In a dream?"
    "No dream," Locke says. "It was Walt, only, taller."

    "Taller? What, like a giant?"

    Locke looks at him.

    "Okay, what exactly did Walt tell you?"

    "He said I had work to do, that I had to stop this woman Naomi from bringing the rest of her people here."

    "What? You didn't ask any follow up questions?"

    "Ben had shot me and left me for dead. Walt saved my life, so I pretty much took him at his word."
    This is the greatest band in the world -- Ben Harper

  • Posts: 3,698
    Solat13 wrote:
    I like pre island Locke much better than on island Locke. I mean most of the bad things that have happened on the island are caused by Locke: Hatch blows up because Locke loses faith in the button, Locke blows up the Flame, Locke blows up the sub, Boone dies and Locke wanders off, Locke lets Benry escape, and now season 4 Locke has totally lost it. Yeah he can control the weather and has some connection on the island and Smokey didn't kill him but for the most part he pisses me off more than probably anyone else on the show.

    Another thing that kinda troubled me about Locke is how did he kill Naomi? He couldn't kill Cooper, Jack, the cop from his flashback, but yet he could kill Naomi?

    The hatch wouldn't have lasted as long as it did without Locke. Jack would have stopped pushing it long before.

    Also anyone would want to stay on the island if they couldn't walk before they got there. I like Locke because he is always asking the questions the viewers want to know.
    "We're fixed good, lamp-wise."
  • Posts: 6,969
    rrivers wrote:
    The hatch wouldn't have lasted as long as it did without Locke. Jack would have stopped pushing it long before.

    Also anyone would want to stay on the island if they couldn't walk before they got there. I like Locke because he is always asking the questions the viewers want to know.

    VERY good points and I totally agree!! BUT, New Leader Locke is weak...and Ben's totally effing with him.
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  • Posts: 6,996
    AmentsChick wrote:
    http://lost.about.com/od/season4recaps/a/4x02recap_2.htm

    "What the hell do you mean you saw Walt?" Sawyer says. "In a dream?"
    "No dream," Locke says. "It was Walt, only, taller."

    "Taller? What, like a giant?"

    Locke looks at him.

    "Okay, what exactly did Walt tell you?"

    "He said I had work to do, that I had to stop this woman Naomi from bringing the rest of her people here."

    "What? You didn't ask any follow up questions?"

    "Ben had shot me and left me for dead. Walt saved my life, so I pretty much took him at his word."

    Good point. You got me. I was watching the Season 3 Finale again over the weekend while hungover and that was fresher in my mind than this season.

    Score one for AC. ;)
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Posts: 3,698
    Solat13 wrote:
    So was "the work to do" to keep the people on the boat from contacting the island? Then Locke failed by not killing Jack and not destroying the phone.

    No the work was to stop everyone from leaving the island. He obviously failed at that because at least the 6 got off. But he was right since Jack wants to go back.
    "We're fixed good, lamp-wise."
  • Posts: 6,996
    AmentsChick wrote:
    VERY good points and I totally agree!! BUT, New Leader Locke is weak...and Ben's totally effing with him.

    Ben's been effing with him since Day 1 because Locke has always been weak. That's how Cooper took advantage of him prior to the island.

    I don't know I want to like Locke, but lately all he has been doing has been annoying the crap out of me.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Posts: 3,698
    Solat13 wrote:
    Ben's been effing with him since Day 1 because Locke has always been weak. That's how Cooper took advantage of him prior to the island.

    I don't know I want to like Locke, but lately all he has been doing has been annoying the crap out of me.

    Ben effs with everyone.
    "We're fixed good, lamp-wise."
  • Posts: 844
    Locke follows his instincts, and more often than not those instincts guide him to the right course of action. We may not see what good he's doing in the present, but in the future most of Locke's actions probably will benefit all the people on the island.

    It's clear he has a connection with the island, so we can't be quick to forget about that. He can get confused and lost track of his goals at times, but circumstances generally lead to him regaining his composure. He also worked in a box factory, so if someone on the island needs a box in an instant, he's their man. I bet Jack regrets attempting to shoot Locke now... no boxes for him!
  • Posts: 59
    Locke definitely has some sort of connection but to me there are two thigns he's always searching for

    He's looking for someone to guide him and something to have faith/believe in.

    Whether it be his dad, the commune, jack (if my s1 memories are correct), jacob, or taller ghost walt it doesnt really matter.

    On a tangent, and this may have been discussed before, but if there is a Taller Ghost Walt is he dead? or can Smokey/the Island use whomever it needs to impersonate to get the job done given who is supposed to do it?

    tangent 2, since Michael and Walt aren't part of the Oceanic 6 WTF are they!!!! I do agree with some that Michael is possibly they Ben's person on the boat.

    ah this show is so great it drives me insane.
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  • Posts: 1,084
    I don't see how the person on the boat could be anyone other than michael. That "You're going to have to sit down" comment Ben made pretty much sealed the deal, and well with michael definitely popping up in the next 2 episodes it's the only way he can get in.

    As for ghost Walt, isn't the Smoke monster thing only ever appear as people dressed in black or as a black animal? I think ghost walt is probably connected to jacob in some way. He's obviusly not affiliated with Ben since Ben is mocking Locke's attempts at following leads, so maybe Walt has somehow communicated with jacob and was acting as the go between? Afterall, Jacob doesn't seem to like Ben at all and Ben could be mocking out of fear that Jacob has switched sides. Of course, that's all pretty much wild speculation. Not really enough info on Walt or jacob to make any real predictions.
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  • Posts: 7,718
    I'm halfway through season 2.. Please tell me they kill off Charlie.
  • Posts: 1,084
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    I'm halfway through season 2.. Please tell me they kill off Charlie.
    ...you have a season and a half of him left.
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