Lost: Season 4 (no spoilers)

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  • Indifference
    Indifference Posts: 2,759
    patrickredeyes wrote:
    IMO it was slow and boring tonight.

    WHAT?

    I had high expectations for tonight - it delievered and then some!

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  • JSBE
    JSBE Posts: 1,078
    Solat13 wrote:
    Here's Charlie's message to Hurley:

    http://bp3.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/R6Kp_8BEz9I/AAAAAAAASgY/uVrQnA77eos/s1600-h/charlies-hand.gif

    that's cool. i didn't even notice that.
  • JSBE
    JSBE Posts: 1,078
    general trivia and unanswered questions courtesy of lostpedia:

    the oceanic attorney's name was matthew abbadon. Abbadon is the name for the angel of the Abyss in Revelation. This angel does the work of God in binding Satan and hurling him into the Abyss.

    While playing horse with Hurley, Jack gets the letters "H" and "O". "H" is the 8th letter of the alphabet and "O" is the 15th - 815.

    Behind Hurley as he’s freaking out over Abbadon there’s a small sculpture of the letters ‘HO’ on a shelf.

    Hurley mentions Charlie’s ghost showing up in the convenience store right next to the “Ho Ho’s”.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    What has happened to Hurley's money?

    Why did Naomi cover for the survivors?

    Why does Hurley deny that he knows Ana Lucia?

    Who is Matthew Abbadon?

    Who is the "they" he asks Hurley about?

    Who are the Oceanic Six, what are they hiding, and why are they hiding it?

    What was the meaning of Hurley's vision of Charlie?

    Who are the "they" who Charlie says need Hurley's help?

    How can Lewis see Charlie?

    Who is Naomi's sister?

    Why does Hurley tell Jack that he's sorry for having gone with Locke?

    What is Christian Shepard doing in Jacob's cabin?

    Why did Kate steal the phone from Jack?

    What did Kate say in private over the phone to the Freighter people?

    What is 'it' that will do whatever it takes to bring them back?

    Why didn't Desmond go with "Locke's Team" if he believes what Charlie wrote on his hand?
  • nfanel
    nfanel Posts: 2,558
    Solat13 wrote:
    Here's Christian Shephard in Jacob's rocking chair:

    http://bp2.blogger.com/_8HhjIy50yEY/R6KepKLiPEI/AAAAAAAAAQU/B5x9-faA0pc/s1600-h/mr.shephard2.jpg

    Here's Charlie's message to Hurley:

    http://bp3.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/R6Kp_8BEz9I/AAAAAAAASgY/uVrQnA77eos/s1600-h/charlies-hand.gif
    wow, those were awesome! aaaand...wtf is with christian in the chair??

    so....i know the coffin was normal sized....but any way that could be hurley? jack somehow ended up in the state hurley is now in. jack didn't listen to him when he said they had to go back.... i don't know.
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    JSBE wrote:

    Why didn't Desmond go with "Locke's Team" if he believes what Charlie wrote on his hand?

    That was the number one question I had too and was curious about that as well.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    nfanel wrote:
    wow, those were awesome! aaaand...wtf is with christian in the chair??

    so....i know the coffin was normal sized....but any way that could be hurley? jack somehow ended up in the state hurley is now in. jack didn't listen to him when he said they had to go back.... i don't know.

    Yeah, I saw that last night. It freaked me out in Jacob's cabin.

    I guess it could be Hurley in the coffin, but logistically, his body would have been pretty gruesome if he hung himself and I doubt the funeral director would have offered to open the coffin. Hurley's mom - unless she died probably would have went to the funeral and or some of his friends or even his attorney probably would have showed up so I'm thinking it isn't Hurley. Plus why would Kate be disgusted to go to Hurley's funeral. Good Guess though.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Indifference
    Indifference Posts: 2,759
    Solat13 wrote:
    That was the number one question I had too and was curious about that as well.

    Perhaps Desmond had a vision that he has told anyone about....

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  • AllIAm
    AllIAm Posts: 1,309
    HI HI HI... wowzers.. ok. i actually have some work to do right now so i skimmed everything and have to add my 2 cents...

    sooooo the Oceanic 6.. ok so people got left behind. it makes sense that hurley would break down about that. they left people back on that island for whatever reason.. and they arent' dead. something else is going on there. Nic you are right when you say that jack eventually follows hurleys lead. i think kate acted the same way towards jack as jack acted towards hurley. they know they feel the guilt but they are trying to forget about it. i feel like the guy who confronts hurley in the beginning is someone who knows the power of the island and knows what happened to get them off.. he is trying to protect its secrets... so when hurley goes looney again they are probably trying to "silence" him. there was a massive cover up for their deaths.. so any info they leak will be terrible...

    as for hurley in the coffin.. well they would have to shrink him down massively because that coffin was small.. and you also have to remember the neighborhood it was in.. a rougher, black community.. i dont know if hurley would fit there...

    but wow on christian shepard... i knew that coffin was empty for a reason.. i would go dig it up from my comments last year but meh.. thats awesome.

    im sure i will think of more but ya.. wow

    oh yes i know what else.. Joe you mentioned before that you think its Widmore trying to keep penny away from des.. but i believe there are bigger things at work. we know what the island can do.. we know what a secret it has to be.. they are trying to protect something much larger than a love there...
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    AllIAm wrote:
    oh yes i know what else.. Joe you mentioned before that you think its Widmore trying to keep penny away from des.. but i believe there are bigger things at work. we know what the island can do.. we know what a secret it has to be.. they are trying to protect something much larger than a love there...

    I agree. There definitely is something much bigger on the island.

    Btw, I'm guessing the Lost online game definitely will be pretty related to the episodes. Abadden (sp) was one of the passwords in the game and I just heard on the weekly Lost discussion that he was the black guy who visited Hurley in the psychiatric ward. I'm guessing this is not the last we see of him.

    Nice insights btw. Hope to hear more when you get a chance.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • chromiam
    chromiam Posts: 4,114
    Solat13 wrote:
    Didn't make it to Wing Bowl, but heading to the bars in a bit - for you non Philly people - the Friday before the Super Bowl was turned into a drinking holiday because to paraphrase Lost a local sports radio station started the holiday "Because the Eagles will never win the Super Bowl." But back to Lost discussion, here a couple cool screen caps from last night I found:

    Here's Christian Shephard in Jacob's rocking chair:

    http://bp2.blogger.com/_8HhjIy50yEY/R6KepKLiPEI/AAAAAAAAAQU/B5x9-faA0pc/s1600-h/mr.shephard2.jpg

    Here's Charlie's message to Hurley:

    http://bp3.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/R6Kp_8BEz9I/AAAAAAAASgY/uVrQnA77eos/s1600-h/charlies-hand.gif

    Christian in the chair was damn creepy... great episode, not mind blowing but interesting and captivating, just what I have come to expect from the show.

    As for Wing Bowl, unfortunately I'm working today, but as a resident of Philadelphia it is my duty and obligation to consume beer and hot wings on this day. So I will be doing my part at lunch as I feast on Yuengling and hot wings at Byrne's Tavern :D
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  • JSBE
    JSBE Posts: 1,078
    interesting read, but nothing mind-blowing. i just like to read anything i can to maybe get another angle on something

    http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20036782_20037403_20175395,00.html?xid=rss-cnn-todayslatest-20080201-%27%27Lost%27%27+recap%3A+Who+else+escaped%3F

    and apparently hurley said "it" and not "he" - my ears have deceived me.
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    AllIAm wrote:

    oh yes i know what else.. Joe you mentioned before that you think its Widmore trying to keep penny away from des.. but i believe there are bigger things at work. we know what the island can do.. we know what a secret it has to be.. they are trying to protect something much larger than a love there...

    I know I'm quoting you twice on this, but I was just skimming lostpedia because of JSBE's question list and saw this on Matthew Abbadon. I know Lost loves their anagrams and his name when scrambled up is "What Bad Boatmen."

    So it looks like Charlie, Locke and Ben are right, Jack was wrong, and I'm guessing Abbadon is either on the freighter or somehow related to it.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • JSBE
    JSBE Posts: 1,078
    as for the remaining 3 people that left the island, i think you can eliminate a few pretty quick...

    locke - duh

    ben - duh again

    rose and bernard - for rose's cancer

    rousseau - because she's lived on the island forever

    people i think might have left...

    jin and sun - for the baby (counted as 2 people)

    claire - for aaron (counted as 1 person)

    desmond - for penny

    this is not to say that anyone i didn't list doesn't have a reason to want to leave...and obviously no one has any idea what the circumstances were for the 6 that were able to leave the island.
  • AllIAm
    AllIAm Posts: 1,309
    Solat13 wrote:
    I know I'm quoting you twice on this, but I was just skimming lostpedia because of JSBE's question list and saw this on Matthew Abbadon. I know Lost loves their anagrams and his name when scrambled up is "What Bad Boatmen."

    So it looks like Charlie, Locke and Ben are right, Jack was wrong, and I'm guessing Abbadon is either on the freighter or somehow related to it.

    ahhh sweeeeet. i even said last night when we were watching " i bet thats an anagram". nice.

    im still trying to process those 2 pictures you posted. we already know christian is a huge character.. he's been linked to 4 people so far. he fathered 2 of them. he could have staged his own death and made sure the plane crashed on that island. we have to figure out what his involvement would be in this plot.. is he dharma? widmore? someone else...this also brings up the question of was jack being crazy in the finale show to go see if his father is drunker than him.. or is he still alive and got off the island too...and if he did maybe thats kate's "him".. you never know.. he's a charming guy and they do show jack being worried that his first wife was cheating with him... could be forshadowing .. hmmmmm

    the other thiing i wanted to know.. i know they were in a mental hospital but how did hurleys pal see charlie? was he just nutso and pointing at anyone? did he see charlie?
  • drtyfrnk29
    drtyfrnk29 Posts: 846
    Man, you guys covered it all. I'm gonna watch it again on Saturday just to let it all sink in.

    What a great scene when Hurley tells Claire about Charlie. You just see the anguish on his face and the way he was walking. Poor dude.
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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    One last thing before I head out, but why did Hurley lie to the cop about Ana Lucia? Do you think maybe that's part of the agreement the people who were rescued had to agree too - to deny all knowledge of anyone on the island?

    Or was Hurley spending too much time with Juliet and picked up her knack for telling fibs? ;)
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • harrymanback
    harrymanback Posts: 435
    Solid opener last night ... sure not many "answers", but the show we fell in love with in season one was one of "questions", no need to rush to the finish at this point. As an aside, these producers/storytellers know what they are doing ... scary to think this story they have been telling was all in their head.

    as for some questions:
    What has happened to Hurley's money? they thought he was dead ... it is all gone.

    Why did Naomi cover for the survivors? she might have also been covering for herself. also, if she didn;t cover, she would not have been able to reset the phone.

    Why does Hurley deny that he knows Ana Lucia? was he supposed to say survied the flight, but thanks to a DWI she was killed off?

    Who is Matthew Abbadon? the lost version of Kobayashi (usual suspects)

    Who are the Oceanic Six, what are they hiding, and why are they hiding it? we know three and gradually they all will feel very quilt ridden.

    What was the meaning of Hurley's vision of Charlie? one, he is crazy, two, charlie was telling him they have to go back.

    Who are the "they" who Charlie says need Hurley's help? the 6

    How can Lewis see Charlie? 1: crazy, 2: he was there

    Why does Hurley tell Jack that he's sorry for having gone with Locke? 1: they were boys, 2: we will probably find out -- guessing that hurley could have helped jack.

    What is 'it' that will do whatever it takes to bring them back? i think It is the star of the show ... the island.
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  • eddievedder1977
    eddievedder1977 Posts: 549
    harrymanback wrote:
    Why does Hurley deny that he knows Ana Lucia? was he supposed to say survied the flight, but thanks to a DWI she was killed off?

    I'm guessing the 6 that made it off the island had to cut a deal to where they can't talk about what happened on the island, and have to lie about if anyone is still there. Hence why Jack said he is sick of lying, the black dude asking hurley if they are all really dead, and not admitting he knew Ana.
    harrymanback wrote:
    Who are the Oceanic Six, what are they hiding, and why are they hiding it? we know three and gradually they all will feel very quilt ridden.

    Exactly, they soon start feeling guilty and want to go back. I'm guessing they had to screw some people over in order to get off the island, similar to what Michael had to do. I'm torn whether or not I think Sawyer is one of the 6, he'd obviously only go back with Kate. But I have a strong feeling when they show Kate's flash forward it will NOT involve being with Sawyer, in fact I think she'll be with someone else and that will be a twist. People will get their panties in a bunch, and then in the next season or last season they show even further into the future where Kate and Sawyer finally hook up or whatever.
    harrymanback wrote:
    What was the meaning of Hurley's vision of Charlie? one, he is crazy, two, charlie was telling him they have to go back.

    Similar to Boone appearing to Locke telling him he had to help Eko. The island wants Hurley to go back and help the ones they left.
    harrymanback wrote:
    Who are the "they" who Charlie says need Hurley's help? the 6

    I would say "they" are the people they left behind (screwed over, etc) to get off the island. Hurley and the other 5 have to go back and fix their mistake.
    harrymanback wrote:
    Why does Hurley tell Jack that he's sorry for having gone with Locke? 1: they were boys, 2: we will probably find out -- guessing that hurley could have helped jack.

    I'm guessing Locke fucks something up again on the island and was "wrong" like blowing up the submarine, breaking the computer so they can't enter the code, blowing up the communication place, etc.
  • nfanel
    nfanel Posts: 2,558
    AllIAm wrote:

    the other thiing i wanted to know.. i know they were in a mental hospital but how did hurleys pal see charlie? was he just nutso and pointing at anyone? did he see charlie?
    my impression that hurley's pal was also fake....or nutso.

    oh, and as for sawyer going with locke's camp...guess it wasn't him that kate had to get back to in the season 3 finale. maybe solat was right and it's kate's baby with sawyer...but he'd be less than 2 years old...i still don't think it was a kid she was talking about.
    though...then again...hurley went with locke's camp, too, and is off the island so who the eff knows....maybe sawyer's off, too.
    in other words...i've provided zero insight....haha.
  • AmentsChick
    AmentsChick Posts: 6,969
    Solat13 wrote:
    One last thing before I head out, but why did Hurley lie to the cop about Ana Lucia? Do you think maybe that's part of the agreement the people who were rescued had to agree too - to deny all knowledge of anyone on the island?

    Yes, remember...Jack told Kate, "I'm tired of lying".
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