Russian Forces Invade Georgia

robbie wrote:

Isnt Russia just defending themselves against a terrorist threat? When Georgia moved in and murdered citizens of South Ossetia it was percieved as a threat. does Russia not have the right to take over the Capital Of Georgia, overthrow the government and occupy their land for up to 100 years? I dont get it. I thought the new standard was to overthrow ANY government that MIGHT one day be a threat to your county and its national security..... That IS U.S. forign policy is it not? why isnt it good enough for the Russians if it is good enough for the United States?

yikes. are you trying to justify russia invading and bombing towns? try really hard to not mention the US in your next post. this is about Russia and Georgia.

mammasan wrote:

It is about Georgia and Russia but the US, as well as our allies, are condemning Russia's actions when in fact we are doing the exact same thing in Iraq.

so what?

robbie wrote:

Bullshit it is about Russia and Georgia, it is about world affairs. and NO I am not justifying Russia Bombing and invading towns, it is appalling, It just seems asinine for the United States to have anything to say about it. it also seems asinine for all of those on this board that have such a hard on for the Iraq war to condemn this war.... the fact is we have NO credibility whatsoever to even speak on this subject as a nation. Because I live in the United States, i find it hard not to mention my country's abominations when commenting on the actions of other countries implementing our foreign policy. if you don't agree with the comparison, tell me where I am wrong, tell me why Russia invading a sovereign nation because it could possibly one day pose a threat to them differs from the U.S. invading a sovereign nation under the same rational. or maybe you would prefer just to tell me not to bring up the United States as if the hypocrisy of out condemnation is not embarrassing and laughable.

you want the difference? we invaded Iraq with the goal of regime change and to make it a democratic Iraqi nation.

what is Russia doing? has yet to be seen I guess. appears however they are trying to extend their own borders permanently.

spyguy wrote:

so what?

I see other countries should do as we say not as we do. So Russia attacking Georgia is bad, but us attacking Iraq or Israel attacking Lebanon or NATO attacking Bosnia is good. I don't necessarily agree with Russia's actions but some of you need to be a bit more consistantt. What's good for the goose should be good for the gander.

mammasan wrote:

I see other countries should do as we say not as we do. So Russia attacking Georgia is bad, but us attacking Iraq or Israel attacking Lebanon or NATO attacking Bosnia is good. I don't necessarily agree with Russia's actions but some of you need to be a bit more consistantt. What's good for the goose should be good for the gander.

who said attacking Iraq and attacking Lebanon is good?

reborncareerist wrote:

had they decided to stay in South Ossetia proper instead of actually invading Georgia.

exactly. from what I understand they are justified in being in Ossetia. but it has gone well beyond that

MrSmith wrote:

so which is it? are they both wrong or both ok? at least be consistent. people keep bringing up this point when few here seem to be disagreeing with them. its a huge oversimplification anyway.

personally, i dont think its so cut and dry, one doesnt automatically justify the other.

Agreed, no one on here seems willing to argue that BOTH the U.S. and Russia can be justified in occupying another state, but the same people seem to be saying that Russia might be justified, because the U.S. invaded Iraq? Its kind of confusing, and I am having trouble cutting through the general anti-U.S. sentiment and figuring out what people's opinions about RUSSIA are ...

spyguy wrote:

calm down jezuz.

no I'm not going to provide a "link" my point is that our goal in Iraq is different from russia's goal in georgia. do you know the history of the region? or the USSR?

Do you know the history of the United States of America? and no, you will not provide me with a "link" because no link exists.. and that was simply NOT the rational for invading Iraq. you know it as well as I do.... Look, I don't agree with what Russia is doing, but you need to realize that how you feel about Russia is how most of the world feels about the United States, both countries are acting in an irresponsible, and grotesque manner. some of us are able to see that and others reuse to see it, it does not make it any less true, and why should Russia care what the rest of the world thinks, the United States certainly has no regard for what the world thinks about us... unless they approve us us, then we can make campaign commercials making fun of anyone that gives the world hope that we can change course.... If a Russian candidate runs under the theory that the war against Georgia was wrong, and the rest of the world cheers for him instead of protests him, I bet he will be perceived as a worthless celebrity as well huh?

MrSmith wrote:

so which is it? are they both wrong or both ok? at least be consistent. people keep bringing up this point when few here seem to be disagreeing with them. its a huge oversimplification anyway.

personally, i dont think its so cut and dry, one doesnt automatically justify the other.

to be clear BOTH ARE WRONG... BOTH ARE DISGUSTING. My point is that for George Bush or Cotton Hill to act as if Russia is wrong for implementing their foreign policy is embarrassing. I have the standing to say Russia is wrong, what is confusing is all the Pro bush policy people on this board condemning Russia.

robbie wrote:

Do you know the history of the United States of America? and no, you will not provide me with a "link" because no link exists.. and that was simply NOT the rational for invading Iraq. you know it as well as I do.... Look, I don't agree with what Russia is doing, but you need to realize that how you feel about Russia is how most of the world feels about the United States, both countries are acting in an irresponsible, and grotesque manner. some of us are able to see that and others reuse to see it, it does not make it any less true, and why should Russia care what the rest of the world thinks, the United States certainly has no regard for what the world thinks about us... unless they approve us us, then we can make campaign commercials making fun of anyone that gives the world hope that we can change course.... If a Russian candidate runs under the theory that the war against Georgia was wrong, and the rest of the world cheers for him instead of protests him, I bet he will be perceived as a worthless celebrity as well huh?

i'm serious. do you know the history of the area?