The Final Debate Thread

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  • TDMize15
    TDMize15 Posts: 166
    prytoj wrote:
    not true, if you look in on the campaign trail.

    either way, please apply the same standard to Obama, who has never detailed any meaningful record of service.

    McCain, however....
    the same standard....
    look at the record.

    And people try and say that liberals are condescending...

    Guess what, I've looked at both of their records...

    And I'm an independent...

    And there is no possible worse choice than McCain/ Palin...

    Seriously, look at the record.
    All the rusted signs, we ignore throughout our lives, choosing the shiny ones instead...

    And he who forgets, will be destined to remember...
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,853
    Its Evolution Baby wrote:
    So you win debates by eye rolling, not answering the questions, and making up lies.

    I didn't know that.

    Obama WON the debate clearly bc he stayed on subject and didn't get baited into a war of words with McCain.

    McCain didn't say a thing the whole night. I learned more about McCain's plans from Obama tonight as he refuted them more then I have heard McCain talk about them.

    Plus Obama had the line of the night when he said something to the effect of if your campaign is about the people I associate with then you really don't have a platform to run on.

    That was B-E-A-utiful.

    You can't win a debate when you are playing stall ball....it was a smart move by Obama for sure, but he lost the debate.
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  • Gonzo1977
    Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    cincybearcat wrote:
    You can't win a debate when you are playing stall ball....it was a smart move by Obama for sure, but he lost the debate.

    I don't know how you can really say that.

    There hasn't been a significant shift in the Polls. Obama is now leading McCain by double digits in Virginia as well as pulling away in key battleground states like Florida, Ohio, and Michigan.

    The whole point of the debate is to sell yourself to the American People...John McCain has not done this. He hasn't gained any new voters after either of the 3 debates.

    Obama came across as more likeable. He has done this in all 3 debates. He's maintained his cool, he's hit his key talking points; which at this point are just on steady repetition from now until November 4th.

    McCain once again looked nasty, ugly, and old. His horrific facial expressions, blinking, and posture lost him the debate on Wednesday alone.

    Attacking your opponent, going on and on about anything other than policy or issues doesn't resonate with the viewers. Even after he hit his famous line about not being George Bush...The CNN graph plunged.

    As fickle as it may seem, people hate negativity. It just reminds them of why they hate politics in the first place.

    If you don't believe me...Go back to the JFK vs. Nixon debate held on September 26, 1960. It was the first Televised Debate and after watching the debate...Nixon was just like McCain. He attacked Kennedy every chance he could. He raised his voice, he figgited, he looked old, ugly, and bitter.

    In the aftermath, no matter what points on policy were hit, or how much Nixon slammed Kennedy on issues...All the people could talk about afterwards was uncomfortable Nixon looked.

    The same after this last debate. All people could talk about afterwards was how uncomfortable McCain looked with his figgiting and constant blinking. He didn't look steady, he looked bitter, he looked old, and most of all...He looked ugly.

    Say what you want about McCain and his performance. In the long run it doesn't matter.

    I think Obama vs McCain is going to play out the same way as Nixon and Kennedy.

    Just Saying.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,853
    Gonzo1977 wrote:
    I don't know how you can really say that.

    There hasn't been a significant shift in the Polls. Obama is now leading McCain by double digits in Virginia as well as pulling away in key battleground states like Florida, Ohio, and Michigan.

    The whole point of the debate is to sell yourself to the American People...John McCain has not done this. He hasn't gained any new voters after either of the 3 debates.

    Obama came across as more likeable. He has done this in all 3 debates. He's maintained his cool, he's hit his key talking points; which at this point are just on steady repetition from now until November 4th.

    McCain once again looked nasty, ugly, and old. His horrific facial expressions, blinking, and posture lost him the debate on Wednesday alone.

    Attacking your opponent, going on and on about anything other than policy or issues doesn't resonate with the viewers. Even after he hit his famous line about not being George Bush...The CNN graph plunged.

    As fickle as it may seem, people hate negativity. It just reminds them of why they hate politics in the first place.

    If you don't believe me...Go back to the JFK vs. Nixon debate held on September 26, 1960. It was the first Televised Debate and after watching the debate...Nixon was just like McCain. He attacked Kennedy every chance he could. He raised his voice, he figgited, he looked old, ugly, and bitter.

    In the aftermath, no matter what points on policy were hit, or how much Nixon slammed Kennedy on issues...All the people could talk about afterwards was uncomfortable Nixon looked.

    The same after this last debate. All people could talk about afterwards was how uncomfortable McCain looked with his figgiting and constant blinking. He didn't look steady, he looked bitter, he looked old, and most of all...He looked ugly.

    Say what you want about McCain and his performance. In the long run it doesn't matter.

    I think Obama vs McCain is going to play out the same way as Nixon and Kennedy.

    Just Saying.

    I'll just say I wasn't judging the debate by superficial things...Obama wins that everytime.
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  • Gonzo1977
    Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    cincybearcat wrote:
    I'll just say I wasn't judging the debate by superficial things...Obama wins that everytime.

    I agree. I don't watch it for that either.

    But you can't deny the effect it has.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,853
    Gonzo1977 wrote:
    I agree. I don't watch it for that either.

    But you can't deny the effect it has.


    I agree it certainly has an effect.
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  • momofglynn
    momofglynn Posts: 849
    prytoj wrote:
    I'm a true independent voter, by record, and I have voted and will vote for the better man.

    I voted Kerry in '04 not because he's not a tool, but because ultimately Bush f-ed up and that's where the buck stops. More heads should have rolled.

    And many people are voting out of emotional attachement to Obama. They see his rhetoric on the mainstream media, paid for by corporate interests, about how he is going to fight against those same corporate interests. They believe the same media they despise.

    "Prepare to be betrayed, Prepare to be disappointed" Nader on Cspan

    There's plenty of criticism to go around.
    Ultimately, the standard is not perfection, but who is the better man.

    Look at the record. Vote with your head.

    You keep saying vote with your head. YOu sound as much of a broken record and Joe the Plumber! You are honestly think that people will not? McCain doesn't do it for me. Never has never will. McCain doesn't do it for a lot of people. Obama is using my head. I used my head in 2000, and again in 2004. Both times the man that got elected wasn't the person who won. If it happens a 3rd time, I think my head will explode!
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  • prytoj
    prytoj Posts: 536
    momofglynn wrote:
    You keep saying vote with your head. YOu sound as much of a broken record and Joe the Plumber! You are honestly think that people will not? McCain doesn't do it for me. Never has never will. McCain doesn't do it for a lot of people. Obama is using my head. I used my head in 2000, and again in 2004. Both times the man that got elected wasn't the person who won. If it happens a 3rd time, I think my head will explode!

    the point, really, is that there is too much forming of opinion using mainstream media as the basis for our info, or propaganda films like zeitgeist, or propagandists like Naomi Wolf.

    The actual record, the actual legislation, the actual policies, are what the people should really be forming judgement with. Examining all of that in the light of history and the founding principles. Not someone's take, or pieces of this or that.

    I just wish to keep emphasising the point. Those who DO put in the time might find the idea condescending. That's okay.

    But, to be real, it's very difficult to find the time to sort it all out.

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