Marijuana and college students - please call your Congressman

jlew24asu · November 2007

soulsinging wrote:

i am lucky. but i am only lucky becos i was given second and third chances denied those who cannot pay for them. i rather doubt the kids being hurt by this law are even aware of the law, so it deters nothing.

you are assuming they dont know. but im betting parents do. and parents will let their 16 or 17 year old kids that if they get caught with drugs they risk losing the chance to go to college. (or at least get aid from the government)

Solat13 · November 2007

soulsinging wrote:

i am lucky. but i am only lucky becos i was given second and third chances denied those who cannot pay for them. i rather doubt the kids being hurt by this law are even aware of the law, so it deters nothing.

When they fill out an application for financial aid, question 31 is have you ever had a drug conviction.

So they should be aware of what they are filling out in their own application.

From the FAFSA website:

This question cannot be left blank.

Answer No to this question if:

* You have never had a conviction for possessing or selling illegal drugs
* The conviction was not a state or federal offense
* The conviction occurred before you were 18 years of age and you were not tried as an adult
* The conviction was removed from your record
* The offense that led to your conviction did not occur during a period of enrollment for which you were receiving federal student aid (grants, loans, and/or work-study)

If you answer Yes, then use the drug conviction worksheet to determine your eligibility. Past convictions do not automatically make you ineligible for student aid.

Even if you are not eligible for federal student aid, complete and submit your FAFSA because you may be eligible for state or school financial aid.

melodious · November 2007

drug convictions are the new cash cow

very simple to make substance abuse an epidemc, think how many coffers that fills...

did we hear the outcome of a vote?

peace....

melodious · November 2007

Solat13 wrote:

Even if you are not eligible for federal student aid, complete and submit your FAFSA because you may be eligible for state or school financial aid.

that was in an older version of America...it seems that FEDs and HOMELAND security department has their fingers in everything....Chances are if you fail to meet federal financial aide criteria, then your state will banish you as well... (california and prop 215 is great example)

I wonder how long it will take all those agencies that warehouse humans to recieve an allocation for substancea abusers...

for instance people who get out of the "joint" receive monies from Dept Vocational REhab for training, and welfare people have a carta blanc array of support...perhaps financial aide $ will be allocated by different agencies...like the military or justice...

maybe the FEDs are restructuring our academic industry to appeal to the new sense of militaryism, nativists atmosphere...no more free thinking..."we can't have that"....''peace and love to all

SPEEDY MCCREADY · November 2007

melodious wrote:

did we hear the outcome of a vote?

looks like the pot heads will still have to pay for their education........

melodious · November 2007

thank you...

thanks for all that you do...!!!!

godpt3 · November 2007

pjtaper wrote:

marijuana should be legal...
Drink and drive, we'll still pay for you to go to school. Smoke some weed, sit on your couch, pig out, no college for you!

you know, when folks try to compare the legalities of pot vs. alcohol they usually end up making a pretty strong case for prohibition, not for the legalization of marijuana.

Drowned Out · November 2007

godpt3 wrote:

you know, when folks try to compare the legalities of pot vs. alcohol they usually end up making a pretty strong case for prohibition, not for the legalization of marijuana.

ya, cause prohibition is so effective. :rolleyes:
I agree tho, I don't like the comparisons to alcohol. There are enough reasons for legalizations to not bother with it. As in most situations, the negative sales pitch is ineffective. (tho I don't think pjtaper's comment was the standard, "alcohol is worse" speech - just a mention of harsher crime). There are legit retorts to every pro-war on drugs statement that don't involve alcohol. Besides...caffeine is a more accurate comparison.
Anyways....I'm off topic, and my views have already been covered, so...ya...carry on...

sorryFOOL · November 2007

See the problem is drugs ruin lives because of addiction, so does the abuse of alcohol. Unfortunately the most of the youth today has no respect for the actual cost of higher education. keep in mind that not all financial aid gets repaid. I odnt know abou tyou but my taxes are high enough. I do not need addicts recieving my money then allowing drugs to get in ther way of school there b wasting my money. If somebody is gonna waste my money its gonna be me. If congress can promise some way of having the government reimbursed for those who drop out, perhaps drug testing, something as to ensure that my money is not being wasted then I would be ok with this ammendment. It is a very touchy subject but anybody who deserves to be recieving a higher educations knows that marijuana fills brain cells with fat, alcohol ruins your liver, and all the really dangerous stuff can ruin your whole body and would relize that no high is worth destroying your body.

lalalalaaaaaaaa · November 2007

Marijuana and college students - please call your Congressman

Now this is just ridiculous...

how can you expect marijuana to call its congressman??

melodious · November 2007

Hi...

I thought this title was peculiar myself...maybe the author wanted to use broken up grammar as an attention grabber.

I am inclined to aggree about giving out your tax dollars to support someone else who may not have as much incentive or even takes financial generousity for granted.

However, the there are a lot of people out there who have had real problems with substance abuse and usaully these people enter into the field of Human Services, eg drug treatment counselors....

I think about Indigenous peoples and how people were nomadic at one time in history. If you didn't produce, it was simple, you either didn't eat or you were turned into a ghost. Either way, the person was banished and left to find their way in thier own means. I think it's great that financial aid is available and I think that without financial aide, I might not have had an opporutunity to expand my own mind.

I just wonder if the laws they propose here, federally, will apply to states with cannabis considerations.

As for liquor industry,choosing a path in this field could be lucrative, becasue when economies fall, vice is always in high demand.

As for college, the cost of for enrollment in community colleges isn't too outlandish...and if books are the issue, people can always use amazon online.
If there is a will there is a way. Many institutions have book lending libraries for those who have few resources. When a person starts paying and earning their way, he or she has a higher sense of value. From where I sit, humans need to get value back in our BEings...

I think it's very sad to see the less motivated encouraged with abundant support and the self-supporter having to pay up to $250.00 for a single book
(realize the higher the pay, the higher investment in text)...

Thank you for all your input in this topic. Peace and love.

theroachman · November 2007

Saturnal wrote:

Now this is just ridiculous...

how can you expect marijuana to call its congressman??

I have done it on many occasions

theroachman · November 2007

sorryFOOL wrote:

See the problem is drugs ruin lives because of addiction, so does the abuse of alcohol. Unfortunately the most of the youth today has no respect for the actual cost of higher education. keep in mind that not all financial aid gets repaid. I odnt know abou tyou but my taxes are high enough. I do not need addicts recieving my money then allowing drugs to get in ther way of school there b wasting my money. If somebody is gonna waste my money its gonna be me. If congress can promise some way of having the government reimbursed for those who drop out, perhaps drug testing, something as to ensure that my money is not being wasted then I would be ok with this ammendment. It is a very touchy subject but anybody who deserves to be recieving a higher educations knows that marijuana fills brain cells with fat, alcohol ruins your liver, and all the really dangerous stuff can ruin your whole body and would relize that no high is worth destroying your body.

Hmm? My brain is full of fat? Must be the fish oil I had this morning.

Marijuana is illegal for several reasons but the main is reason is corporate greed. It all has to do with Hemp and the anti capitalist companies that keep hemp illegal in the US.

Like Peter Tosh says Legalize it!

Marijuana and college students - please call your Congressman

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