Marijuana and college students - please call your Congressman

melodiousmelodious Posts: 1,719
edited November 2007 in A Moving Train
Marijuana and college students - please call your Congressman


The House of Representatives is voting on a bill that would restore financial aid to students with drug convictions. Call Congress TODAY!

1) MAKE THE CALL: Dial the Capitol Switchboard at (202) 224-3121. When the operator answers, give them your home address and ask to be connected with your representative's office.

2) SPEAK YOUR MIND: When the receptionist in your representative's office answers the phone, politely say something like: "My name is [NAME] and I live in [CITY]. When the House revises the Higher Education Act soon, I hope that my representative will make sure to get rid of the harmful law that takes away financial aid from college students with drug convictions. This law causes more, not less, drug abuse by blocking access to education." (If you call after 5pm EST, you may have to leave a voice message.)

3) SPREAD THE WORD: Click "Reply To Poster", select all the text and HTML in the window that opens and copy it. Then open a new bulletin, paste the text in, and post.

4) PITCH IN: Campaigns are expensive! Please make a donation.

Background:

Since the year 2000, more than 200,000 students have lost college aid just because they have drug convictions. Congress is set to reconsider this harmful and unfair penalty very soon, and Students for Sensible Drug Policy needs your help to convince legislators to repeal it.

In the next few days the Higher Education Act reauthorization will be introduced in the House Education & Labor Committee, and is expected to move to the House floor shortly thereafter. Because of this, we need you to call your U.S. House representative today, and ask him or her to repeal the ban on financial aid for students with drug convictions. Just follow the steps above. It's that easy.

Since the Senate passed HEA reauthorization without repealing the Aid Elimination Penalty, it is imperative that constituents send a strong message to members of the House that denying financial aid for college does nothing to deter drug use in schools, and only causes more drug abuse.

And if you have not yet sent a letter to your member of Congress about this issue, please do so today by visiting
http://www.SchoolsNotPrisons.com/help/

Repealing the HEA Aid Elimination Penalty is supported by a coalition of over 500 groups, including the leading organizations in education, treatment, financial aid, civil liberties, civil rights, religion, and law. And just last week the New York Times editorialized in favor of repealing this penalty (story posted below).

Please do your part to restore financial aid eligibility to thousands of students with drug convictions by calling your U.S. House representative today.

Many thanks for your support,


Tom Angell
Government Relations Director
Students for Sensible Drug Policy
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/02/opinion/02fri4.html

Angela Goodhope
Field Director
Citizens for Responsible Crime Policy
http://www.responsiblecrimepolicy.org
(406) 493-0425


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  • no thank you......
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    so doing drugs is ok? good message congress should send. do drugs and we'll still pay for college.
  • pjtaperpjtaper Posts: 3,020
    marijuana should be legal...
    Drink and drive, we'll still pay for you to go to school. Smoke some weed, sit on your couch, pig out, no college for you!
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    pjtaper wrote:
    marijuana should be legal...
    but its not
    pjtaper wrote:
    Drink and drive, we'll still pay for you to go to school.
    drinking is legal. drinking and driving is a crime. the line would have to be drawn somewhere. or maybe they should not allow money for anyone with a criminal record. do you know what the law states?
    pjtaper wrote:
    Smoke some weed, sit on your couch, pig out, no college for you!
    how about coke? or crack? or heroin? or meth? unfortunately for you, weed is still in the same category of illegal drugs.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    they should only allow it to be passed based on proof the student has done treatment or something and its not an ongoing problem.
  • RainDogRainDog Posts: 1,824
    jlew24asu wrote:
    how about coke? or crack? or heroin? or meth?
    Yep, yep, yep, and yep. If the kid receives financial aid and the drugs cause him to fail, then he ceases to receive financial aid. If he succeeds, then we have another productive member of society, regardless of what he does in his free time.
  • i say ....tell the little pot heads to get a fucking job and pay for their own education......

    but thats just me.......
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RainDog wrote:
    Yep, yep, yep, and yep. If the kid receives financial aid and the drugs cause him to fail, then he ceases to receive financial aid. If he succeeds, then we have another productive member of society, regardless of what he does in his free time.

    so doing illegal activies in his free time is ok? bout about leaving a moral of the story.....

    don't do drugs and you'll qualify for financial aid.

    If you do decide to take drugs. you are on your own.
  • RainDogRainDog Posts: 1,824
    jlew24asu wrote:
    so doing illegal activies in his free time is ok? bout about leaving a moral of the story.....

    don't do drugs and you'll qualify for financial aid.

    If you do decide to take drugs. you are on your own.
    I'm uncomfortable with Congress showing favoritism in regards to something as intangible as simple morality.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RainDog wrote:
    I'm uncomfortable with Congress showing favoritism in regards to something as intangible as simple morality.

    they are showing favoritism to those who dont do drugs. not a bad message if you ask me
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    jlew24asu wrote:
    so doing illegal activies in his free time is ok? bout about leaving a moral of the story.....

    don't do drugs and you'll qualify for financial aid.

    If you do decide to take drugs. you are on your own.

    Everyone engages in illegal activities. But I had another point but then I remembered you're school system is crap (at least in regard to cost).
    THANK YOU, LOSTDAWG!


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  • Collin wrote:
    Everyone engages in illegal activities. But I had another point but then I remembered you're school system is crap (at least in regard to cost).
    you're school system?????

    hahahahahahahahahaha..................................

    looks like yours wasnt all that fucking great either.....

    hehehehehehehehehe.....................
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • RainDogRainDog Posts: 1,824
    jlew24asu wrote:
    they are showing favoritism to those who dont do drugs. not a bad message if you ask me
    Congress is in the message business now? I mean, they always have been - but you're O.K. with that?

    Let's say the Supreme Court never overturned sodomy laws. Would you be O.K. with Congress denying financial aid to homosexuals because what they do is, you know, illegal?
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    jlew24asu wrote:
    so doing drugs is ok? good message congress should send. do drugs and we'll still pay for college.

    no, but forgiveness and second chances are ok.
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    you're school system?????

    hahahahahahahahahaha..................................

    looks like yours wasnt all that fucking great either.....

    hehehehehehehehehe.....................

    :rolleyes:
    THANK YOU, LOSTDAWG!


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  • upina2001upina2001 Indiana Posts: 764
    lets say your have a GPA of 3.5, junior in college, and you are at a party that gets busted; pot is found and you get booked for it.

    happens DAILY!!!! And there are people out there denying financial aid to smart kids who will one day be your insurance man, laywer, police officer....etc.

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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Collin wrote:
    Everyone engages in illegal activities.
    um thats not true. and if it was, then its ok since everyone is doing it?
    Collin wrote:
    But I had another point but then I remembered you're school system is crap (at least in regard to cost).

    we are talking about colleges here. which we have some of the best in the world.

    but its crap regarding cost? meaning its too expensive? yea I agree.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    jlew24asu wrote:
    but its not

    drinking is legal. drinking and driving is a crime. the line would have to be drawn somewhere. or maybe they should not allow money for anyone with a criminal record. do you know what the law states?.

    the law currently denies anyone with a drug offense the possibility of financial aid. paroled murderers can get aid. rapists can too. drunk drivers can also. a kid busted with a joint in high school cannot.
  • upina2001upina2001 Indiana Posts: 764
    the law currently denies anyone with a drug offense the possibility of financial aid. paroled murderers can get aid. rapists can too. drunk drivers can also. a kid busted with a joint in high school cannot.


    EXACTLY!!!! its fucking dumb!!

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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    upina2001 wrote:
    lets say your have a GPA of 3.5, junior in college, and you are at a party that gets busted; pot is found and you get booked for it.

    happens DAILY!!!! And there are people out there denying financial aid to smart kids who will one day be your insurance man, laywer, police officer....etc.
    then that smart guy can get a lawyer and a drug test to prove he didnt take any drugs. people dont get drug convictions for being at a party where drugs are present. the persons holding them do
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    you're school system?????

    hahahahahahahahahaha..................................

    looks like yours wasnt all that fucking great either.....

    hehehehehehehehehe.....................

    considering he lives in europe and english is his second language and 90% of the americans that post here can't get that right either, id say his is doing alright. i'd like to see the americans here try to type in french or spanish or whatever they learned in high school.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    the law currently denies anyone with a drug offense the possibility of financial aid. paroled murderers can get aid. rapists can too. drunk drivers can also. a kid busted with a joint in high school cannot.

    ok well all the others you mentioned should be denied too. and people with drug offences as small as the one you mentioned should be allowed on a case by case basis.
  • considering he lives in europe and english is his second language and 90% of the americans that post here can't get that right either, id say his is doing alright. i'd like to see the americans here try to type in french or spanish or whatever they learned in high school.
    cmon conor....you know me ....

    i was just giving him a little shit.....

    all in fun.....
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    jlew24asu wrote:
    then that smart guy can get a lawyer and a drug test to prove he didnt take any drugs. people dont get drug convictions for being at a party where drugs are present. the persons holding them do

    you don't know much about how the justice system works do you? it's quite simple. people with money for a good lawyer don't get drug convictions. those without that money do. period.

    that's the only reason i'm in law school instead of prison. i'm dead serious. i could afford attorneys and got a few lucky breaks.
  • QuarterToTenQuarterToTen Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 3,642
    why should students with drug convictions get preferential treatment?

    that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
    what kind of a lesson is that teaching kids?

    wow.
    Nice shirt.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    jlew24asu wrote:
    ok well all the others you mentioned should be denied too. and people with drug offences as small as the one you mentioned should be allowed on a case by case basis.

    so then, why did you oppose the initial post? that is exactly what the change in the law mentioned by the OP is for.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    you don't know much about how the justice system works do you? it's quite simple. people with money for a good lawyer don't get drug convictions. those without that money do. period.

    that's the only reason i'm in law school instead of prison. i'm dead serious. i could afford attorneys and got a few lucky breaks.

    thats too bad. I'm glad I dont know you. people who admit they should be in prison, have no business walking the streets.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    why should students with drug convictions get preferential treatment?

    that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
    what kind of a lesson is that teaching kids?

    wow.

    exactly.
  • jlew24asu wrote:
    thats too bad. I'm glad I dont know you. people who admit they should be in prison, have no business walking the streets.
    soulsinging is someone everyone on this board should look up to....

    he has battled his demons and come a long way.....

    you misunderstood where he was coming from my friend...........
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    soulsinging is someone everyone on this board should look up to....

    he has battled his demons and come a long way.....

    you misunderstood where he was coming from my friend...........

    ok fair enough. I think I remember now. I apologize soul.
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