Hey, Obama Bashers

Rhinocerous Surprise · August 2008

Strangest Tribe wrote:

No.....

but you're not bashing McCain as much as you are bashing Obama (if you are bashing McCain at all)..... are you supporting McCain?

If not then I'm just trying to understand why you think Obama is such a serious threat it causes all of you bashers countless hours of trolling here on this forum

.......otherwise you are just preaching to your choir of cronies here because all the bashing of Obama has no credibility if you don't back it up with solutions...you might as well go post in the hot pics of Ed thread because it's the same 8 or so people that keep rehashing the same bullshit....

nobody wants to argue with you anymore because you are boring as shit, it's become so redundant....

What about McCain's 2 million "reach around" from the oil companies?
What about the book that came out this week stating Bush and the CIA forged documents?

Why aren't these topics like these being discussed here like in the past?

It's the same 8 people that all they want to do is continue to bash Obama

Why?

Is he that big of threat?

Talk about something else for a CHASNGE

Problem being, everybody agrees McCain is rubbish. There's no one to convince, and no debate to be had. We can all just read the news.

fuck · August 2008

Strangest Tribe wrote:

No.....

but you're not bashing McCain as much as you are bashing Obama (if you are bashing McCain at all)..... are you supporting McCain?

If not then I'm just trying to understand why you think Obama is such a serious threat it causes all of you bashers countless hours of trolling here on this forum

trolling? Is that what debating and reporting news is these days?

No one is bashing McCain because there is no need to. McCain is terrible as is, and most people already know that on this forum... it's a pointless topic. Do you want us to make a thread saying "Bush is terrible"? why would anyone waste their time doing that?

meanwhile, there are plenty of people supporting Obama simply because he's the "lesser of 2 evils"... which calls for actual debates and discussion. don't like it? well, it doesn't really matter.

and the reason why people revisit Obama so often is that not only do many arguments get ignored by Obama supporters (especially his blind support of Israel), but because recently there has been lots of things going on in his campaign... lots of "compromise."

SoonForgotten2 · August 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Agreed but how else will people realize something is up unless people speak out about it?

If the politically casual are continually pacified, and nobody speaks out, nothing is accomplished in my books. Something has to be shaken up. McCain winning might shake some people up, Obama having a large contingency of disgruntled voters could shake some people up. Just playing along is a bad idea in my book regardless.

If after 8 years of Bush raping his own country and the rest of the world like the drunken cowboy he is, isn't enough to get Americans to realise things are very very fucked, you posting about cereal boxes isn't gonna do the trick.

It's too late to shake anything up for 2008. I'm dead serious when I say look to 2012. The kind of change you want, I want, and the US needs is going to take a multi-year movement to have any chance of succeeding.

fuck · August 2008

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

It's too late to shake anything up for 2008.

I don't get it. so we should just vote for Obama? so we should not debate his policies?

what's the problem here (not with you, with this thread)?

SoonForgotten2 · August 2008

_outlaw wrote:

I don't get it. so we should just vote for Obama? so we should not debate his policies?

what's the problem here (not with you, with this thread)?

Where did I say you should vote for Obama? And I never said not to debate his policies, but the ridiculous things I've seen here lately, like the cereal box thread and the ones with all those anti-Obama posters (which is no more than propaganda) doesn't further anything and it embarrasses me as an American that people, who seem to want change from the godawful mess the US government is, are stooping to such levels.

Strangest Tribe · August 2008

_outlaw wrote:

Now that is a good analogy.

It's funny, when it comes to "Obama bashing" as you people call it, it's just usually people disagreeing and debating his policies.

When it comes to Nader, however, it's just people saying stupid things like "he'll never become president, not even of his knitting club" and "Nader is just an old idiot" or some other stupid shit.

Nader has no plan that will work...ever

never....ever

not even with 400 little baby nader clones running around in congress

it's a fucking jackoff pipe dream... you might as well be voting for Pat Paulson.

I guess we're supposed to believe that it really deeply matters and you are getting your voice heard.... like I said you'd be better off laying waste to the highways with that guy from the other thread.

fuck · August 2008

Strangest Tribe wrote:

Nader has no plan that will work...ever

never....ever

not even with 400 little baby nader clones running around in congress

it's a fucking jackoff pipe dream... you might as well be voting for Pat Paulson.

I guess we're supposed to believe that it really deeply matters and you are getting your voice heard.... like I said you'd be better off laying waste to the highways with that guy from the other thread.

_outlaw wrote:

When it comes to Nader, however, it's just people saying stupid things like "he'll never become president, not even of his knitting club" and "Nader is just an old idiot" or some other stupid shit.

??

fuck · August 2008

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

Where did I say you should vote for Obama?

if you said that, I wouldn't have asked you...

And I never said not to debate his policies, but the ridiculous things I've seen here lately, like the cereal box thread and the ones with all those anti-Obama posters (which is no more than propaganda) doesn't further anything and it embarrasses me as an American that people, who seem to want change from the godawful mess the US government is, are stooping to such levels.

so you're complaining about the cereal box thread?

come on, there are better things to complain about than that... you know, like Obama's shitty policies.

dawng · August 2008

I have to agree with the OP. In fact, while I come here often wanting to express my opinion, I am completely turned off by the way that folks are not just expressing their opinion or trying to have a conversation, but bashing folks for them…so I very rarely post.

And it is not only happening here. When our extended family sits down to a meal and tries to have a political discussion, it inevitably turns nasty. I often hear the evangelical side of our family repeating the rhetoric that comes from the bush administration (not just this year, but for the last 7 or so years.) When trying to explain that Iraq and 9/11 had nothing to do with one another - it was like "talk to the hand". It's the "you're with us or against us" attitude that is completely polarizing the nation. It’s no wonder that nothing can get done.

When can we have a real conversation? Just sad.

OK - bash away...

Rhinocerous Surprise · August 2008

Strangest Tribe wrote:

Nader has no plan that will work...ever

never....ever

not even with 400 little baby nader clones running around in congress

it's a fucking jackoff pipe dream... you might as well be voting for Pat Paulson.

I guess we're supposed to believe that it really deeply matters and you are getting your voice heard.... like I said you'd be better off laying waste to the highways with that guy from the other thread.

And it's just as valid a point to say that Obama won't bring real change even if his name was Changey McVariant.

SoonForgotten2 · August 2008

_outlaw wrote:

come on, there are better things to complain about than that... you know, like Obama's shitty policies.

And there are better things to discuss. Such as what is everyone going to do once McCain's or Obama's shitty policies come into effect?

blackredyellow · August 2008

_outlaw wrote:

I don't get it. so we should just vote for Obama? so we should not debate his policies?

what's the problem here (not with you, with this thread)?

The problem here lately is that there is no debate... Every Obama or Israel/Palestine thread has turned into what abortion used to be here. Over the years this has been a great place to discuss things from the Iraq War, our tax system, gun control, and even 9/11 (before that subject got worn out), and countless other subjects where you could contribute and listen to other points of view, and even understand both sides of the argument.

But in the past few months this place has become a joke... It's the same people cutting and pasting articles and links with absolutely no intention of starting a sensible debate, but instead just to proselytize their point of view.

Strangest Tribe · August 2008

It's the same shit every 4 years.....

what about the rest of the time when you could be funding 3rd party candidates?

Nobody supports the 3rd party until the election year...

and the people that are here supporting them now were singing Obama's praises last fall....

why weren't you singing Nader's praises last fall???

Because nobody even knew he was going to run this time a year ago.... that's why!!!

This IS the problem with 3rd parties...they don't keep the shop open... and their support goes away.... I bet you Nader fans aren't here talking him up for another 3 years after this election.... why???

RolandTD20Kdrummer · August 2008

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

And it's just as valid a point to say that Obama won't bring real change even if his name was Changey McVariant.

I hear even Changey Mcvariant is particularly good at appearing to promote change while doing little to nothing that even resembles it.

Rhinocerous Surprise · August 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I hear even Changey Mcvariant is particularly good at appearing to promote change while doing little to nothing that even resembles it.

If Changey McVariant couldn't pull it off, no one could.

FiveB247x · August 2008

Could the same exact thing be said in the reverse order though? Many times when typical 2 party voters (dems/reps) would vote 3rd party, they would jump ship and abandon the party which would lead it not have the staying power and influence it could. Goes both ways. People in our culture need everything yesterday... it's all about instant gratification. Vote for the winning candidate and you did your part... if they lose, it's someone else's fault and you can then sit back and play the blame game. There's no faith, resistence or legitimacy to our system anymore - it is broken and people would rather continuing driving a car with 3 wheels and structural damage then take the necessary time out to have the car overhauled and set straight. This is in every aspect of our society... merely marginalize the loss and bad effects, but let's not address the problem..and just maybe it will work out. That's our national mantra. So when people complain why things are working out for this nation or they see it slowly trickling down to them in negative ways, remember, garbage in the system merely produces garbage out. Remember that when you vote.

Strangest Tribe wrote:

It's the same shit every 4 years.....

what about the rest of the time when you could be funding 3rd party candidates?

Nobody supports the 3rd party until the election year...

and the people that are here supporting them now were singing Obama's praises last fall....

why weren't you singing Nader's praises last fall???

Because nobody even knew he was going to run this time a year ago.... that's why!!!

This IS the problem with 3rd parties...they don't keep the shop open... and their support goes away.... I bet you Nader fans aren't here talking him up for another 3 years after this election.... why???

polaris · August 2008

Strangest Tribe wrote:

No.....

but you're not bashing McCain as much as you are bashing Obama (if you are bashing McCain at all)..... are you supporting McCain?

If not then I'm just trying to understand why you think Obama is such a serious threat it causes all of you bashers countless hours of trolling here on this forum

.......otherwise you are just preaching to your choir of cronies here because all the bashing of Obama has no credibility if you don't back it up with solutions...you might as well go post in the hot pics of Ed thread because it's the same 8 or so people that keep rehashing the same bullshit....

nobody wants to argue with you anymore because you are boring as shit, it's become so redundant....

What about McCain's 2 million "reach around" from the oil companies?
What about the book that came out this week stating Bush and the CIA forged documents?

Why aren't these topics like these being discussed here like in the past?

It's the same 8 people that all they want to do is continue to bash Obama

Why?

Is he that big of threat?

Talk about something else for a CHANGE

uhhh

first of all - i've never posted an anti-obama thread ... i live in canada - i am interested in US politics in so much as it affects my country and the world ...

if i were to vote in the US elections - i would definitely not be supporting mccain nor would i vote obama ... i believe the entire electoral process has been compromised ... corporations are dictating us policy domestically and abroad and they do this by making sure those elected to all levels of office are supportive of their agenda ...

as much as i would love to believe obama is capable of making real change - my reality and truth says that he cannot ...

RolandTD20Kdrummer · August 2008

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

If Changey McVariant couldn't pull it off, no one could.

And to think I once referred to him amicably as "ol switchy"...

I feel all dirty inside...

Thecure · August 2008

i think the reason that Obama is being "bashed" is becuase he is the front runner. where were you when people here were blasting Hillary?

i think Obama can handle it and in all honesty if you don't like what has happen to the MT then why come here. i don't read about about stuff that i don't care about.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · August 2008

Thecure wrote:

i think the reason that Obama is being "bashed" is becuase he is the front runner. where were you when people here were blasting Hillary?

i think Obama can handle it and in all honesty if you don't like what has happen to the MT then why come here. i don't read about about stuff that i don't care about.

oh no if it's Hillary it's ok... the Obama crowd absolutely loathes Hillary....

going on policy was it that dramatic of a difference?

policy? huh what's that?

Or perhaps it's a popularity contest despite policy?

hmm

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