Why is Gun Control a BAD thing?

Anon · February 2008

Im still here wrote:

I do believe that, sorry if I offend you but in today's world everyone should be armed to stop psychos who do this kinda thing

if every student in that class was armed do you think as many people would have died?

or even better, do you think he would have even tried that shit?

honestly?
if i was armed i don't know if i could pull the trigger. i just don't think that you can look at it the way you are. ok, so i do concede that as many people may not have died in that instance, but how do you then measure that against the number of deaths that may arise (for whatever reason), from the use of these guns by everyone having one that wouldn't have before. I'm talking about everyday things that happen like road rage, arguments, disagreements, things that would normally blow over without the use of guns. I wonder if it would be just so easy for someone to whip out their gun and blow them away in the heat of the moment. That's what really worries me, if that makes sense.

Im still here · February 2008

Pj_Gurl wrote:

honestly?
if i was armed i don't know if i could pull the trigger. i just don't think that you can look at it the way you are. ok, so i do concede that as many people may not have died in that instance, but how do you then measure that against the number of deaths that may arise (for whatever reason), from the use of these guns by everyone having one that wouldn't have before. I'm talking about everyday things that happen like road rage, arguments, disagreements, things that would normally blow over without the use of guns. I wonder if it would be just so easy for someone to whip out their gun and blow them away in the heat of the moment. That's what really worries me, if that makes sense.

point well taken

but I think that the pros outway the cons

if we were all armed less shit like this would happen

ps: you'd be surprised what you could do if you are being fired at by some psycho

MasterFramer · February 2008

my2hands wrote:

so your .357 is going to stop the US military from committing genocide against you?

:rolleyes:

No shit... like any group of morons with guns is going to be able to stop the US Military... using that premise alone for keeping the second amendment is completely asinine...

"We may be attacked or "repressed" by the government's military. We need our guns... lots and lots of guns" :rolleyes: Give me a fucking break...

I enjoy shooting guns, at targets... but I would happily give up my "right" if it was to save children's lives in the long run, or anyone else for that matter... too many idiots have guns.

The only group that is holding on to this second amendment is scared, insecure white people.

Im still here · February 2008

MasterFramer wrote:

No shit... like any group of morons with guns is going to be able to stop the US Military... using that premise alone for keeping the second amendment is completely asinine...

"We may be attacked or "repressed" by the government's military. We need our guns... lots and lots of guns" :rolleyes: Give me a fucking break...

I enjoy shooting guns, at targets... but I would happily give up my "right" if it was to save children's lives in the long run, or anyone else for that matter... too many idiots have guns.

The only group that is holding on to this second amendment is scared, insecure white people.

none of what you wrote is fact, pure opinion

the Constitution clearly states we have a right to bear arms (fact)

we, the American People, own 70 million guns, the military has no where near that many guns (fact)

why do you think they would like to ban guns?

answer: pure control (fact)

MasterFramer · February 2008

How many operational tanks do the American people own and operate?

How many Apache Helicopters to we the American people own and operate?

Fighter Jets? I don't know anyone that owns one of those... do you? Do they have an endless supply of missiles and bombs?

How many c-130 Specter Gunships do you and you 2nd amendment buddies own? Cause the US Government owns a lot of them...

Yeah we got the US Government shaking in it's combat boots cause we have a lot of pistols and rifles...

MasterFramer · February 2008

Im still here wrote:

none of what you wrote is fact, pure opinion

the Constitution clearly states we have a right to bear arms (fact)

we, the American People, own 70 million guns, the military has no where near that many guns (fact)

why do you think they would like to ban guns?

answer: pure control (fact)

BTW there are a lot of facts in my post...

Fact 1 : US Citizens will never be able to push back an aggressive US Government, if that ever happened. :rolleyes:

Fact 2 : I like shooting guns

Fact 3 : I would give up my right to own a gun

Fact 4 : Too many idiots have guns

Fact 5 : Most NRA members are old, ignorant, insecure white men

School's out... go to bed

Vedderlution_Baby · February 2008

Im still here wrote:

none of what you wrote is fact, pure opinion

the Constitution clearly states we have a right to bear arms (fact)

we, the American People, own 70 million guns, the military has no where near that many guns (fact)

why do you think they would like to ban guns?

answer: pure control (fact)

They don't need 70 million guns. they got enough god damn bombs that if they really wanted to stop you they wouldn't have to pull trigger. And that's just the start of it.

Collin · February 2008

Wow.

You are totally right. Every student and teacher should have a gun to prevent shit like this. Of course, pay no mind to the fact the killer wants to die himself so the thought of being killed won't stop him. Even better, he'd already have a gun ready.
And the best part, if he starts shooting in a crowded area (such as a university college) there will be students with guns everywhere shooting at him (or at each other, because in midst of all that chaos who really knows who was the original killer).

Brilliant plan.

A lot of people naturally assume they'd fight against their government if their government turned on them. But the fact is, a lot of people in nazi Germany were with their government, because they didn't feel their gov't was turning on them but actually making life better. A gun won't protect you from propaganda, brainwashing and fear. You might think your government is right, they wouldn't have to take away your guns when you're with them.
A tyrannical government rarely exists without support from (part of) the people.

Collin · February 2008

Anyway, good news for all the people who don't have guns. When your government turns on you, just buy a gun. Until then, no need for a gun.

lalalalaaaaaaaa · February 2008

Gun control = good
Banning guns totally = bad

No way I'm letting "authority figures" carry guns if I can't get one. Ideally, I'd love it if everyone destroyed their guns. But since that will not happen, I should have the right to obtain one if I ever feel I need one. We need better gun control laws, but banning them is definitely not something I want.

btw, I've never owned or even shot a gun in my life.

lalalalaaaaaaaa · February 2008

Im still here wrote:

we, the American People, own 70 million guns

Just to piggyback on this..

That's about the estimate I've seen (60-80 million). When you look at the number of gun-related deaths (search cdc.gov), you find that about 0.01% of gun owners are killing people with guns each year.

So 99.99% of gun owners are not killing people with their guns each year. Guns are not the problem.

lalalalaaaaaaaa · February 2008

MasterFramer wrote:

How many operational tanks do the American people own and operate?

How many Apache Helicopters to we the American people own and operate?

Fighter Jets? I don't know anyone that owns one of those... do you? Do they have an endless supply of missiles and bombs?

How many c-130 Specter Gunships do you and you 2nd amendment buddies own? Cause the US Government owns a lot of them...

Yeah we got the US Government shaking in it's combat boots cause we have a lot of pistols and rifles...

How many operational tanks did the Viet Cong have? How many Apache Helicopters did they have? How many fighter jets? They kicked the shit out of the same army you're referring to, and they did it without any of that stuff.

MasterFramer · February 2008

Saturnal wrote:

How many operational tanks did the Viet Cong have? How many Apache Helicopters did they have? How many fighter jets? They kicked the shit out of the same army you're referring to, and they did it without any of that stuff.

You need to learn a little more about Vietnam and how we "lost". There wernt any tanks in Vietnam... and if we had them on the ground as well as Apaches and C-130 gunships it would have been a different story. Looks like you need to brush up on your military knowledge too. Nice try though...

:rolleyes:

lalalalaaaaaaaa · February 2008

MasterFramer wrote:

You need to learn a little more about Vietnam and how we "lost". There wernt any tanks in Vietnam... and if we had them on the ground as well as Apaches and C-130 gunships it would have been a different story. Looks like you need to brush up on your military knowledge too. Nice try though...

:rolleyes:

lol what? They had tons of bombs, fighter jets, and attack helicopters in Vietnam. You're saying it'd be totally different if they had tanks? haha

fanch75 · February 2008

"I like guns. Having a gun means I don't have to work out." - Chris Rock

gabers · February 2008

MasterFramer wrote:

You need to learn a little more about Vietnam and how we "lost". There wernt any tanks in Vietnam... and if we had them on the ground as well as Apaches and C-130 gunships it would have been a different story. Looks like you need to brush up on your military knowledge too. Nice try though...

:rolleyes:

We did have tanks in Vietnam. It's just that they were generally ineffective and mostly not utilized due to the terrain and type of conflict. If you've seen Full Metal Jacket, there's a scene where we're entering a town with M-60 tanks leading the column. And we didn't have Apaches, but towards the end of the war we had Cobra gunships.

MasterFramer · February 2008

gabers wrote:

We did have tanks in Vietnam. It's just that they were generally ineffective and mostly not utilized due to the terrain and type of conflict. If you've seen Full Metal Jacket, there's a scene where we're entering a town with M-60 tanks leading the column. And we didn't have Apaches, but towards the end of the war we had Cobra gunships.

Oh so if it was in a movie then... :rolleyes:

gabers · February 2008

I think most of the "gun control" advocates in this country aren't trying to say we need to get rid of all guns. That's just a scare tactic the NRA and other such groups like to use to get the average gun-totin', god-fearin' citizen up in arms. People who have always voted Dem voted for Bush in the last few elections because of this issue, especially in key battleground states like Ohio and Missouri. Blue collar type folks. It is obvious something needs to be done. At the very least it should be made much more difficult to purchase a handgun, IMO. I will vote against any politician who tries to take away hunting type guns, but not handguns.

gabers · February 2008

MasterFramer wrote:

Oh so if it was in a movie then... :rolleyes:

Nah man, it's true, I've talked to guys who were there. I was just pointing out it was in that movie.

MasterFramer · February 2008

Saturnal wrote:

lol what? They had tons of bombs, fighter jets, and attack helicopters in Vietnam. You're saying it'd be totally different if they had tanks? haha

Look, I'm not going to argue the Vietnam war with someone who knows nothing about it. But equating the Vietnam to a revolution in the States in modern times is asinine. Like pretty much any argument that is ANTI gun control.

Why is Gun Control a BAD thing?

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