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dg1979us · November 2008

Mutiny! he cried wrote:

I don't think he ran until Kucinich dropped out and he said he would have stayed out had a real progressive, like Kucinich, won the nomination. Also he and Matt Gonzalez did campaign, they didn't get any coverage and were not allowed into the debates, again.

Lastly, b/c of the votes he received the Independent party no longer has to petition for ballot access in several states in 2010

First off, who cares if Kucinich is running. They werent in the same party, so why not preach to the same choir, but try to expand it. He knew Kunich wasnt going to win the dem nomination, so that point is moot.

They should be allowed in the debates. He and Paul would have humiliated Obama or McCain, I agree on that.

I could be wrong on this, but there is no indepentent party. I voted for him as an indepentent, but Bob Barr and others were also noted as independents. You could be right on that, but it isnt many states, since his party wasnt distinguished from the libertarians at least in my state, and they were both considered independents.

MrBrian · November 2008

I'll have to dig up the article I was reading about Ron Paul, it talked about the last few months of his campaign, It was very interesting.

Now about Obama, sure he has a vision, but tell me, does that make him at all better? Taking into account what that vision of his is, which we can understand via his voting record and speeches...plus who he's throwing on board his team.

I'm not in the mood of getting started with the whole 'Nader is irrelevant' right now, i've touched on that in other threads.

But you must admit, is anything Nader says, irrelevant? Now compare him to the rest of the field. How can anyone come to the conclusion that nader does not matter anymore?

dg1979us · November 2008

MrBrian wrote:

Nader gave a record number of campaigns speeches, he was all over. Of course he only got time on the tele a few times.

Then he simply wasnt as successful as Paul. Paul broke campaign finance records, Nader was irrelevant this whole election cycle. Regardless, Nader's past is far more important than his present or his future. Not sure what Paul will do in 2012, but he at least opened the door for a long shot candiate to win, Nader never did, and a lot of that is his own fault.

dg1979us · November 2008

MrBrian wrote:

I'll have to dig up the article I was reading about Ron Paul, it talked about the last few months of his campaign, It was very interesting.

Now about Obama, sure he has a vision, but tell me, does that make him at all better? Taking into account what that vision of his is, which we can understand via his voting record and speeches...plus who he's throwing on board his team.

I'm not in the mood of getting started with the whole 'Nader is irrelevant' right now, i've touched on that in other threads.

But you must admit, is anything Nader says, irrelevant? Now compare him to the rest of the field. How can anyone come to the conclusion that nader does not matter anymore?

I dont know if his vision makes him better or not. I think he has the approval of not only the country, but most of the world though, which at least helps the US standing in the world. What he does with that, is impossible to say at this point.

No, Nader's ideas arent irrelevant, many of his ideas I think are great. His running for office is irrelevant because he is old and many have no clue who he is, and he does nothing to change that.

But, it isnt about Paul or Nader. THey are both old. It is about someone carrying out their ideals in 2010 and 2012. Paul has at least laid a foundation, Nader hasnt.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · November 2008

Having just listened to Chomsky's latest presentation re: "What Next? The Elections, the Economy, and the World", a couple of things stand out for me.

Any significant changes in society have always come from the bottom up, such as women's right's, racial equality, gay rights...etc..etc.. The government didn't mandate any of these monumental changes, the people themselves made it a reality.

Ron Paul has repeatedly stated he wouldn't really prefer anyone to know his name, or ever place him on a such a high pedestal if her were president. In fact, he hates it. I see the same traits in Nader. I think they get it that it's not a top down approach. It's always been up to the people to bring the results, and shape and create the policies. I think this plays in a lot into what they say and do, and how they both ultimately think.

They're quietly and persistently putting out the information, and patiently waiting for the lightbulbs to go off instead of playing up the Hollywood popularity contest aspects that so many other politicians get high (and unfortunately elected) from.

Ron Paul created something that can't be stopped without some kind of severe fascist/oppressive rule. That genie cannot be put back in the bottle. What he has going for him is long term consistency, which is perhaps why has been received better in general than Nader imo. Nader has more of an "on and off again" rapport.

my .0000001¢

Anon · November 2008

dg1979us wrote:

Seriously, dont listen to these people anymore than you listen to the Rush Limbaugh followers. None of them no shit, they just read and believe what they want too.

It's ok, i don't llisten to him. He's like the boy who cried wolf to me. Alex Jones cares about two things.

His bank balance and self promotion. He doesn't give a rats ass about you, me or anyone else. He acts like he is doing everyone a favor by making them see the light, but really, all he cares about is the dollars rolling in.

Maybe that's what the half million coffin liners were for. Alex's billions....

PJ_Saluki · November 2008

dg1979us wrote:

Not sure what Paul will do in 2012, but he at least opened the door for a long shot candiate to win, Nader never did, and a lot of that is his own fault.

If we're going to hand out credit for opening doors, let's not forget about H. Ross Perot. The guy got on ballots in all 50 states and picked up nearly 20 percent of the popular vote in 1992. He didn't even get a chance to debate during the 1996 election and still picked up better than 8 million votes, more than all the other third-party candidates combined. Neither Paul nor Nader accomplished anything in 2008 that approached Perot's performance in '92 and '96. How quickly we seem to forget.

Edit: Guess I could comment on the OP. Not buying into concentration camps.

lalalalaaaaaaaa · November 2008

dg1979us wrote:

Because he is no different than Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh, and telling people what they want to hear. Nobody on this board has seen this personally or has any real facts this is true, but fuck, it is sent to Alex Jones, they have to slurp his shit up.

Seriously, dont listen to these people anymore than you listen to the Rush Limbaugh followers. None of them no shit, they just read and believe what they want too.

I agree, he's no different in that respect. Alex Jones is a fear monger...I don't think he's trying to scam anyone, and I think he believes what he's doing is good. But what he's really doing is trying to whip people up into an angry frenzy because he thinks it'll be a catalyst for change....which is true, but that's not how I want the change play out. Those in power ideally want people to be calm and indifferent to being taken advantage of, but if they can't have that, the next best thing would be a fearful, crazed resistance group because it'd make it easier to start locking people up in detention centers...they'd just say "look...these people are nuts! We need to lock em up to keep the rest of you safe." Then they could pretty much lock up anyone for any reason after that.

Every time one group of people acts irrationally, a rational opposing group is ready to gain more control over them.

Mutiny! he cried · November 2008

PJ_Saluki wrote:

If we're going to hand out credit for opening doors, let's not forget about H. Ross Perot. The guy got on ballots in all 50 states and picked up nearly 20 percent of the popular vote in 1992. He didn't even get a chance to debate during the 1996 election and still picked up better than 8 million votes, more than all the other third-party candidates combined. Neither Paul nor Nader accomplished anything in 2008 that approached Perot's performance in '92 and '96. How quickly we seem to forget.

Edit: Guess I could comment on the OP. Not buying into concentration camps.

I voted for Perot in my 1st election. Funny how the Democrats who didn't want Nader to run didn't mind Perot 'stealing' voted from the Republicans

PJ_Saluki · November 2008

Mutiny! he cried wrote:

I voted for Perot in my 1st election. Funny how the Democrats who didn't want Nader to run didn't mind Perot 'stealing' voted from the Republicans

I don't believe that line of thinking is exclusive to any party.

yahamita · November 2008

dg1979us wrote:

What are my own beliefs? Tell them to me, because I bet you dont have a goddamn clue to my beliefs. I voted for Nader in 04, when most on this board were on the Kerry bandwagon. Now, I read this board this election, cycle, and many of the Kerry supporters in 04, are were rallying for Nader. So tell me my thoughts beliefs since you obviously know so well. I was well ahead of this board, and will certainly hold the Kerry supporters in 04 more accountable than the Obama supporters now.

In saying that, that doesnt mean I believe anything sent to Alex Jones, who believe it or not, (am Im sure you wont acknowledge this), is a for profit entertainer no different than Hannity or Limbaugh. People believe what they want to believe, and listen to what they want to hear, and you are no exception.

I live in the south, and have been to Miss. more times than you, I promise. Because you read it on the internet doesnt make it true. Wake the fuck up. There are serious issues in the world and in this country and continent, and you dont help those issues by sitting behind your comp and eating up bullshit opinions from someone making money from you. ANd go ahead and write me off as you wish and make yourself feel better about yourself. But you know as much about this world as the Hannity keyboard commandos, which isnt shit.

Why do you sound so angry??? Chilll!!!

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