How can really conservative people be hard core Pearl Jam fans?

Dylan Stone · November 2008

saveuplife wrote:

As the mods always state, you will be banned if it continues.

You, sir or madame... (i'm being catious here as i don't want you to tell on me and get me put into in school suspension!! ) i'm not sure which... but you crack me up! Really!

saveuplife wrote:

First, we don't have to explain why we enjoy what we enjoy.

LOL!

Of course you don't. Duh. You chose to respond to the thread.

Answer the question? No. Respond to the thread. YES.

Talk about missing the point of the OP?? WOW! :rolleyes:

saveuplife wrote:

My point was dead-on. Eddie Vedder and the band did a hell of a lot more to elect GWB than anyone else.

WOW. Talk about the power of Pearl Jam.

Is this known as the Pearl Jam Factor amongst you hardore righties??
(Righties because you're always right ??? ... ahhh.. no..just sarcasm

)

Many of us believe it was lost due to a combo of:

1. Gore just plain didn't score enough votes...(if he had wowed the people that voted for Nader... maybe he would have.. but he didn't)

2. Combined with some good old fashioned electoral rigging...

3. And some supreme court judges that were in bed with the Bush's (i.e. Scalia)

I love Pearl Jam and all... but REALLY!

saveuplife wrote:

RIght after you are banned.

But not me!!

I'm off to listen to some white supremist tunes...this new band.. the bass player KICKS ASS!

*mwah*

saveuplife · November 2008

GTFLYGIRL wrote:

I'm off to listen to some white supremist tunes...this new band.. the bass player KICKS ASS!

*mwah*

All I can say is...

WOW

!!! ??? ...

LOL!!

Good stuff though. It was hard to get through all of the lol's and wow's and smiles ect. and I really didn't get your point at all. But, it was nice to see you could post. Have fun!

bootlegger10 · November 2008

We all have friends and family that are conservative and liberal. Why can't we listen to bands that are both conservative and liberal?

Maybe I as a conservative can respect Eddie's views, even though I disagree with them most of the time. Part of the reason sometimes is that I agree with the ends, like no war or poverty, but I just disagree with how to get there.

Also, a song like Green Disease (which is a horrible song musically) doesn't bother me as a capitalist because I do agree that greed has taken over.

Here is the short answer though:
Maybe conservatives aren't close-minded like liberals? Common threads like these on this board are evidence of the fact that some liberals can't comprehend co-existing with someone whose values differ from theirs.

AnnaMelinda · November 2008

saveuplife wrote:

All I can say is...

WOW !!! ??? ... LOL!!

Good stuff though. It was hard to get through all of the lol's and wow's and smiles ect. and I really didn't get your point at all. But, it was nice to see you could post. Have fun!

Once again i see you appear to have missed the point of someone with differing views than yours. Mock all you will....

I think the OP and GTFLYGIRL appear to have a similar mindset to me.

WHATEVER!!

I too question how hardcore right wingers can be PJ crazies.

I think that may be the difference.

Maybe they confuse your being on a Pearl Jam board with you LOVING Pearl Jam. Maybe it's just another internet place for you. I think many who post here... like myself... are not big internet people... but big Pearl Jam fans.

Sad you didn't see her point... but it's ok...

_ · November 2008

saveuplife wrote:

Yes, and it's not condoned here to name call. As the mods always state, you will be banned if it continues.

You are showing your prejudice through your lack of sensativity for those who are different from you. You, as a liberal, don't understand how we could appreciate pearl jam? Well, can you as a liberal, explain the connection between any liberal and conservative? Do you think that there are issues our there that both liberals and conservatives can agree on? Do you always look at every issue as "conservative" or "liberal"? Do you look at everything, including music and entertainment throught a political perspective? Do you think politics all the time? If so, I feel sorry for you.

How are you not talking about politics, if you post this on MT and you title your post with the question you asked. You are the one not making sense.

First, we don't have to explain why we enjoy what we enjoy.

Second, if we want to explain it, you should not be telling us why we are wrong for enjoying what we enjoy.... that makes no sense. And yes, it is extremely close-minded, prejudice and patronizing.

You IMPLIED it with your question. You asked how is possible. As if, it's not. Well, as I said above, all you need to know is it is possible.

Is it necessary to name call? And people have a brain not a brian. lol

I don't care to know anything about you. I'm simply posting on a message board.

You are voting Democrat. And you certainly support that party in doing so.

My point was dead-on. Eddie Vedder and the band did a hell of a lot more to elect GWB than anyone else. They took votes away from Dems... thereby supporting conservatives. So, your point in this thread is counterintuitive.

RIght after you are banned.

Look, dude, you don't have any understanding of what this thread is about, what I believe, or what I am trying to ask. We are not talking about the same things. Your comments are not relevant to my original post. If you didn't want to answer my simple question, there was no need for you to join this thread at all, and certainly no reason for you to insult me.

The bottom line is that I don't have any respect for you, nor do I care what you think. Any desire I may have had to understand your perspective when I posted this thread is completely gone.

You are the one who jumped into my thread and started insulting me, thereby acting like an asshole, and I, in response, observed that you were acting like an asshole. My assessment stands. If you want to go and tattle and have me banned, that's fine. But if we're going to resort to acting like children, let me just say that you started it.

:rolleyes:

_ · November 2008

know1 wrote:

I don't know how many countless times I've heard evenflow and I have absolutely no association of that song with homeless people whatsoever. I just don't see it.

Really? You've listened carefully to the lyrics and you don't see it? I didn't see it for years, but that's because I didn't really pay attention to the lyrics. But I didn't think there was any dispute that it's about homelessness. That's interesting, and actually somewhat answers my question.

_ · November 2008

know1 wrote:

OK. I'll bite on this one and see if I can enlighten you.

I am probably one of the most anti-abortion people you will ever find. I disagree with it in every way, shape or form. I'm religious, but I'd be against it even if I weren't.

That being said, I am not offended if someone says they are pro-abortion or talk about it that way. I might disagree with them, think they're hypocrites or whatever, but I am NOT going to be offended. It simply does not offend me at all.

See, I get that. I'm not really offended by people who say they are "pro-life". But if I thought they were hypocrites I couldn't get as excited about them as I get about Pearl Jam.

Also, would you want your money to be used to support pro-choice causes? I mean, you've gotta figure that it's at least subsidizing their pro-choice benefit shows, if not being directly donated to pro-choice organizations.

_ · November 2008

bootlegger10 wrote:

We all have friends and family that are conservative and liberal. Why can't we listen to bands that are both conservative and liberal?

Maybe I as a conservative can respect Eddie's views, even though I disagree with them most of the time. Part of the reason sometimes is that I agree with the ends, like no war or poverty, but I just disagree with how to get there.

Also, a song like Green Disease (which is a horrible song musically) doesn't bother me as a capitalist because I do agree that greed has taken over.

Here is the short answer though:
Maybe conservatives aren't close-minded like liberals? Common threads like these on this board are evidence of the fact that some liberals can't comprehend co-existing with someone whose values differ from theirs.

Yeah, because that's not a close-minded stereotype AT ALL! :rolleyes:

_ · November 2008

AnnaMelinda wrote:

Once again i see you appear to have missed the point of someone with differing views than yours. Mock all you will....

I think the OP and GTFLYGIRL appear to have a similar mindset to me.

WHATEVER!!

I too question how hardcore right wingers can be PJ crazies.

I think that may be the difference.

Maybe they confuse your being on a Pearl Jam board with you LOVING Pearl Jam. Maybe it's just another internet place for you. I think many who post here... like myself... are not big internet people... but big Pearl Jam fans.

Sad you didn't see her point... but it's ok...

See, that's another interesting theory! Thank you.

I was thinking of people on this board when I made this thread, and I assumed that people are on this board because they are "PJ crazies".

I understand that one can appreciate music just simply for the music, but it's the intensity with which the really hard core fans love, appreciate, find personal meaning in, and identify with the music and the band itself that I have trouble understanding within the context of strongly disagreeing with their ideology. Like I said before, I can like the music of bands with whom I disagree, but they're not going to be my FAVORITE band.

Maybe it was hasty of me to assume that people on this board all love Pearl Jam to this extent.

digster · November 2008

scb wrote:

Also, would you want your money to be used to support pro-choice causes? I mean, you've gotta figure that it's at least subsidizing their pro-choice benefit shows, if not being directly donated to pro-choice organizations.

I think the majority of people would put less stock in that than you would, for example. I just don't think their thought process would be that "this band makes my favorite music, but I can't support them because some of their money may go to pro-choice groups." Personally, if I was going to see a band that was putting on a benefit for outlawing gay marriage for example (pick your example), I probably would support the group but not attend that show. However, I don't think most people are that picky.

_ · November 2008

digster wrote:

I think the majority of people would put less stock in that than you would, for example. I just don't think their thought process would be that "this band makes my favorite music, but I can't support them because some of their money may go to pro-choice groups." Personally, if I was going to see a band that was putting on a benefit for outlawing gay marriage for example (pick your example), I probably would support the group but not attend that show. However, I don't think most people are that picky.

You're probably right. Although, as I've stated, I probably wouldn't be a big fan of a band who did a benefit for "pro-life" groups or anti-gay marriage groups or whatever, if I were a fan I would probably give some thought to where my money would go. (This is all assuming I'm even aware of the band's activism in these areas.) To me it's no different than any other boycott of a business for ideological considerations.

_Crazy_Mary_ · November 2008

bootlegger10 wrote:

We all have friends and family that are conservative and liberal. Why can't we listen to bands that are both conservative and liberal?

Maybe I as a conservative can respect Eddie's views, even though I disagree with them most of the time. Part of the reason sometimes is that I agree with the ends, like no war or poverty, but I just disagree with how to get there.

Also, a song like Green Disease (which is a horrible song musically) doesn't bother me as a capitalist because I do agree that greed has taken over.

Here is the short answer though:
Maybe conservatives aren't close-minded like liberals? Common threads like these on this board are evidence of the fact that some liberals can't comprehend co-existing with someone whose values differ from theirs.

I agree with you.
So two people have different points of view? The conservatives I know could care less, the liberals I know have the attitude of a 7-year-old, "we don't want you here!" Very open-minded. :rolleyes:

Dylan Stone · November 2008

saveuplife wrote:

I really didn't get your point at all.

I'm not surprised.

You have fun too!

chopitdown · November 2008

here's a list of what the band supports, aside from PETA and the prochoice organizations, there's not too many that jump out to me as organizations I would mind my money going to. So i disagree with them on a a few issues, the things i agree with them on are more and I love their music and passion. The passion is what makes the music great, for me.

* ASPCA
* Humane Society
* In Defense of Animals
* International Fund for Animal Welfare
* Oceana
* PETA
* Protect Seals
* Animal Legal Defense Fund
* Animal Protection Institute

ARTS AND EDUCATION ORGANIZATIONS

* 826 Seattle
* Arts Corps
* MOLO Care
* The Northwest School
* Northwest Literacy Foundation/Fill the Shelves in Public Schools Book Campaign
* Book Campaign
* Rock and Roll Camp for Girls
* VERA Project

HEALTH-RELATED ORGANIZATIONS

* Advocacy for Patients
* Crohn's and Colitis Foundation of America
* Lifelong AIDS Alliance

ENVIRONMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS

* Conservation International
* Environmental Careers Organization
* Honor the Earth
* Washington Wilderness Coalition
* American Solar Energy Society
* Bonneville Environmental Foundation
* Conservation International
* WA Clean Energy Initiative (with Jay Islee)
* Green Empowerment
* Honor the Earth (Native Community, Energy Projects, & Alternatives)
* Cascade Land Conservancy
* Islandwood
* Clif Green Notes
* Reverb

NATIVE AMERICAN HOUSING ORGANIZATIONS

* Native American Rights Fund
* The Red Feather Development Group

WOMEN'S ISSUES ORGANIZATIONS

* Choice USA
* http://www.feministmajority.org
* http://www.plannedparenthood.org
* http://www.now.org
* http://www.naral.org
* Home Alive

ARTIST RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS

* Future of Music Coalition
* Air Traffic Control

HUMAN RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS

* Amnesty International
* CARE
* Concerned United Birthparents (CUB)
* Doctors Without Borders
* Save the Children
* Oxfam
* Project Hello
* West Memphis Three

urbanhippie · November 2008

know1 wrote:

I guess I'm just shallow. I just like the music because I like it better than any other band's music. I don't give a darn about their principles.

I never called anyone shallow, and I'm sorry if you thought that was what I implied. My post was my personal experience and opinion. As I said, it IS all about the music in the end.

ajedigecko · November 2008

scb wrote:

I honestly don't get it. Being a liberal, I can't imagine that I could ever be a huge fan of a band that used its music and platform to promote extremly conservative ideas.

I love music for what it says, not just the guitar riff behind it. So if it said a bunch of stuff that I thought was total BS, I wouldn't be able to really love the music, and I wouldn't want to.

Additionally, I don't think being a talented musician makes up for being an offensive asshole. So I wouldn't be able to respect Ed as a person if he were espousing political philosophies or other ideas that I found offensive.

And before someone pulls out the same old tired anti-liberal line frequently used on this board, let me be clear that I love Pearl Jam in large part because of their liberal politics; I do not have liberal politics because I love Pearl Jam.

illogical argument.....i have family members with whom i do not agree with, on many topics such as politics and religion. in the end we still love each other.

know1 · November 2008

scb wrote:

Also, would you want your money to be used to support pro-choice causes? I mean, you've gotta figure that it's at least subsidizing their pro-choice benefit shows, if not being directly donated to pro-choice organizations.

My life is too hectic as it is to worry accounting for all the money that I've spent for my personal recreation or entertainment and where it might potentially be going.

If I wanted to drive myself really crazy, I could think about how all my tax money goes to support lots of things I oppose, but I just don't have time for that kind of aggravation.

Again - I just love the music.

know1 · November 2008

urbanhippie wrote:

I never called anyone shallow, and I'm sorry if you thought that was what I implied. My post was my personal experience and opinion. As I said, it IS all about the music in the end.

No harm. I called myself shallow sarcastically. I didn't think anyone else called me shallow.

bootlegger10 · November 2008

scb wrote:

Yeah, because that's not a close-minded stereotype AT ALL! :rolleyes:

How does saying some liberals are close-minded make me close-minded? It is no different than me saying that most liberals support abortion. What would make me close-minded is if I stopped listening to Pearl Jam because they happen to support liberal causes and ideas. What makes you close minded is that in prior posts you have admitted you would dislike a band if their views differed from yours. That is close-minded.

Skitch Patterson · November 2008

I HATE YOU CLEAR CHANNEL!!!! so im going to perform shows at your venues.

I HATE YOU MICROSOFT!!!! so im gonna go work with time warner, a company just as big and evil.

I HATE YOU TICKETMASTER!!!! however, i think your site would be great to sell our album.

I HATE HIGH TICKET PRICES!!!! so im gonna play a bunch of special, high priced shows.

I HATE COMPANIES THAT EXPLOIT THE POOR!!!! so im gonna play at a casino.

I LOVE THE FANS!!!! so we're going to sporadically announce tour dates and shows, so you can buy tickets to one show 300 miles away, only to have one announced 4 days later within 30 feet of your front door.

I HATE TICKET SCALPERS!!! so im going to force you to buy 2 tickets, even though you only need one.

How can really conservative people be hard core Pearl Jam fans?

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