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angelica
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edited September 2007 in A Moving Train
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7cylfQtkDg
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Very nice.
    Notice though, he didn't speak much on prophecy.

    He simply spoke from wisdom.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
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    That was a sobering perspective. Thanks for posting.
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    I agree, gue, it is about wisdom. As for the prophecy aspect, I am going by the You Tube title, which is "Indigenous Native American Prophecy".

    "We were told that we would see America come and go. And in a sense America is dying..from within. Because they forgot the instructions for how to live on earth."

    The prediction is in general that we are entering a time of great change and upheaval.

    It's similar to the Mayan Calendar predictions where we are entering a new period, and that we are facing the end of what we've been doing for so long. Much will fall away. And it's our natural evolution.

    We are a society that revolves around a man-made money-oriented power and dominance focus. We've lost touch with "the instructions for how to live on earth".
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    That was a sobering perspective. Thanks for posting.
    You are very welcome, Roland. :) And I thank you for your own perspective.
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  • rigneyclan
    rigneyclan Posts: 289
    The Elder who is speaking is Floyd Redcrow Westerman. He's been in many films, such as Dances With Wolves. I've met him a few times, him and my mom are pretty good friends.
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  • bonaneas
    bonaneas Posts: 19
    All very moving and kitschy to the extreme, and though I do detest modern America (and the Western Capitalist way in general) and it's, as you said above, "man-made money-oriented power and dominance focus," it's war-mongering and self-centred ways etc etc, I can't help feeling the itch to ask Mr Westerman about what happened to the Native Americans who "forgot the instructions for how to live on earth," you know, the ones who, pre-Columbus, pre-"white man" and his diseases and his guns and his system of systematic violence, you know, the natives who wiped out 80% of North America's large mammals? Weren't very close to the earth, or acting as Guardians of it then, were they?
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    bonaneas wrote:
    All very moving and kitschy to the extreme, and though I do detest modern America (and the Western Capitalist way in general) and it's, as you said above, "man-made money-oriented power and dominance focus," it's war-mongering and self-centred ways etc etc, I can't help feeling the itch to ask Mr Westerman about what happened to the Native Americans who "forgot the instructions for how to live on earth," you know, the ones who, pre-Columbus, pre-"white man" and his diseases and his guns and his system of systematic violence, you know, the natives who wiped out 80% of North America's large mammals? Weren't very close to the earth, or acting as Guardians of it then, were they?

    What large mammals are we talking about here?
  • bonaneas
    bonaneas Posts: 19
    Byrnzie wrote:
    What large mammals are we talking about here?

    Rhinos, horses, elephants, camels, llamas, tigers etc etc, not to mention the species that are now completely extinct (giant kangaroos, giant flightless birds, dire wolf, tapir, camel, and saber-toothed cat, mammoths, mastodons, gomphotheres (tropical mastodons), bear sized beavers, several species of ground sloths, several species of camelids and equids, glyptodons, et al)

    Before the natives got there, North America was as rich in mammals and fauna as Africa is now (well, a hundred years ago)

    Dr. Paul Martin of Univ of Arizona (author of Twilight of the Mammals) and Jared Diamond (The Third Chimpanzee), Dr Gavin Prideaux and Tim Flannery are just some of the many scientists (anthropological and paleontological) to have written about the pre-columbus post ice-age extinctions. They have also found the same happened in Australia/NZ, where up to 90% of native large mammals were hunted to extinction by the "native" humans.
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  • genie
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    bonaneas wrote:
    Rhinos, horses, elephants, camels, llamas, tigers etc etc, not to mention the species that are now completely extinct (giant kangaroos, giant flightless birds, dire wolf, tapir, camel, and saber-toothed cat, mammoths, mastodons, gomphotheres (tropical mastodons), bear sized beavers, several species of ground sloths, several species of camelids and equids, glyptodons, et al)

    Before the natives got there, North America was as rich in mammals and fauna as Africa is now (well, a hundred years ago)

    Dr. Paul Martin of Univ of Arizona (author of Twilight of the Mammals) and Jared Diamond (The Third Chimpanzee), Dr Gavin Prideaux and Tim Flannery are just some of the many scientists (anthropological and paleontological) to have written about the pre-columbus post ice-age extinctions. They have also found the same happened in Australia/NZ, where up to 90% of native large mammals were hunted to extinction by the "native" humans.

    amazing views in that video!! :)

    I like your argument. I think people are generally distructive, sometimes they might not even be aware of this. At the end of the day we are all animals and we fight for survival, and the strongest or the smartest one's win.

    i personally don't like the idea of this, i'd like to think there is more to life.
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    genie wrote:
    amazing views in that video!! :)

    I like your argument. I think people are generally distructive, sometimes they might not even be aware of this. At the end of the day we are all animals and we fight for survival, and the strongest or the smartest one's win.

    i personally don't like the idea of this, i'd like to think there is more to life.


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  • genie
    genie Posts: 2,222
    macgyver06 wrote:
    ''let me tell you something...there isn't.'' Kramer

    please explain yourself
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    This video strikes me as anti-white non-sense.

    Microbes would have eventually wiped out all of the human race without the industrial revolution and the rise of pharmaceuticals.

    I always hear this nonsense about nature being in balance, all except humans who destroy their habitats. That's complete bullshit, words spoken by those who don't know a damn thing. "Nature" would have kicked our species ass out of here a long time ago. Meanwhile parasites like the Lancet fluke would still be around throwing off nature's precious "balance".

    This is all would-have-been, should-have-been, could-have-been, bullshit. Wishful thinking.
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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    genie wrote:
    please explain yourself


    its a quote from seinfeld...when george and jerry are pondering there is more to there silly lives.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Ahnimus wrote:
    This video strikes me as anti-white non-sense.

    Microbes would have eventually wiped out all of the human race without the industrial revolution and the rise of pharmaceuticals.

    I always hear this nonsense about nature being in balance, all except humans who destroy their habitats. That's complete bullshit, words spoken by those who don't know a damn thing. "Nature" would have kicked our species ass out of here a long time ago. Meanwhile parasites like the Lancet fluke would still be around throwing off nature's precious "balance".

    This is all would-have-been, should-have-been, could-have-been, bullshit. Wishful thinking.

    That's an interesting take. I don't buy it.
    I think the key here to what he is saying has everything to do with, not the indigenous people, or ancient indigenous peoples, but of those who are learned in the knowledge of a respectful human place in the scheme of nature.
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  • Ahnimus
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    gue_barium wrote:
    That's an interesting take. I don't buy it.
    I think the key here to what he is saying has everything to do with, not the indigenous people, or ancient indigenous peoples, but of those who are learned in the knowledge of a respectful human place in the scheme of nature.

    Nature is kicking my ass right now and if it weren't for doctors and pharmaceuticals I'm not sure I'd get any better. Ever vomited up blood before?

    I've been running a fever for several days, when the doctor took my temperature she questioned the thermometer's read-out, I didn't see it, but that can't be good, I'm being sent in for a blood test.

    I don't drive a car and I respect my environment. I don't litter and I recycle. I do everything I can to maintain your so-called balance and voila, I get really sick. I'm sure mentally retarded people did some nasty stuff in a past life as well. Wishful thinking. Nature is not a conscious force, it doesn't have a balance, it's a survival of the fittest scheme.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Nature is kicking my ass right now and if it weren't for doctors and pharmaceuticals I'm not sure I'd get any better. Ever vomited up blood before?

    I've been running a fever for several days, when the doctor took my temperature she questioned the thermometer's read-out, I didn't see it, but that can't be good, I'm being sent in for a blood test.

    I don't drive a car and I respect my environment. I don't litter and I recycle. I do everything I can to maintain your so-called balance and voila, I get really sick. I'm sure mentally retarded people did some nasty stuff in a past life as well. Wishful thinking. Nature is not a conscious force, it doesn't have a balance, it's a survival of the fittest scheme.
    So, what's wrong with that?
    Survival of the fittest is part of it, but how do you know that?
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Ahnimus.

    Get well.
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  • angelica
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    Ahnimus wrote:
    Nature is not a conscious force, it doesn't have a balance, it's a survival of the fittest scheme.

    Nature continues on with exacting purposes and reasons that we objectively uncover to greater and deeper degrees, through study, all the time. And we will continue to uncover more and more awareness of these "reasons" all the time. Nature does what it does, no matter whether we personally like it or not. Everything: illness, death, destruction, etc. It's all a part of the big picture of evolution and of nature.

    To me, that the natural laws we exist within perfectly coincide with and interact with one another at all times shows the amazing natural synthesis of all of nature and of life.
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  • Ahnimus
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    angelica wrote:
    Nature continues on with exacting purposes and reasons that we objectively uncover to greater and deeper degrees, through study, all the time. And we will continue to uncover more and more awareness of these "reasons" all the time. Nature does what it does, no matter whether we personally like it or not. Everything: illness, death, destruction, etc. It's all a part of the big picture of evolution and of nature.

    To me, that the natural laws we exist within perfectly coincide with and interact with one another at all times shows the amazing natural synthesis of all of nature and of life.

    And you think Hopi Prophecy is an objective study, but neuroscience is not?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    And you think Hopi Prophecy is an objective study, but neuroscience is not?
    I'm talking about the balance/perfection of reality/nature as it stands with self-evidence.

    You are apparently comparing Hopi prophecy wiht neuroscience.
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