In the 1800's the Hopi were almost wiped out completley by a wave of smallpox, the "White" man was called in to save their ass with all his fanciful and imbalanced medicines.
True, but the smallpox was introduced by "white man". No white man, no smallpox.
It's kind of like Bush launching a war on Iraq and declaring we were liberating them at the same time. Now that's some fucked up logic.
True, but the smallpox was introduced by "white man". No white man, no smallpox.
It's kind of like Bush launching a war on Iraq and declaring we were liberating them at the same time. Now that's some fucked up logic.
White man didn't invent smallpox. The hopi were eventually going to be introduced to it anyway. Do you think they could have kept their little spot shielded from the world forever?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
jesus christ are you people serious? give me a break. its just an old Native American stereotype spouting bullshit for six minutes. Was he drunk or high? i couldn't tell.
Sounds like an audition for his next movie role where he plays wise old indian medicine man # 4553.
the world would be perfect without those damn crackas!
jesus christ are you people serious? give me a break. its just an old Native American stereotype spouting bullshit for six minutes. Was he drunk or high? i couldn't tell.
Sounds like an audition for his next movie role where he plays wise old indian medicine man # 4553.
the world would be perfect without those damn crackas!
i'm not the one with the limited view of natives (partially being that i'm a quarter myself). but its people like him and hollywood that perpetuate the stereotype of the wise old indian mystic who talks about vision quests and spirits and how peaceful and naturefriendly americans were before the europeans. i'm so fucking sick of that shit. that video made me nauseous.
i'm not the one with the limited view of natives (partially being that i'm a quarter myself). but its people like him and hollywood that perpetuate the stereotype of the wise old indian mystic who talks about vision quests and how peaceful and naturefriendly americans were before the europeans. i'm so fucking sick of that shit. that video made me nauseous.
I would love to get your perspective. Can you help me out, here?
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
i'm not the one with the limited view of natives (partially being that i'm a quarter myself). but its people like him and hollywood that perpetuate the stereotype of the wise old indian mystic who talks about vision quests and spirits and how peaceful and naturefriendly americans were before the europeans. i'm so fucking sick of that shit. that video made me nauseous.
I'm 1/32 native
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
i'm not the one with the limited view of natives (partially being that i'm a quarter myself). but its people like him and hollywood that perpetuate the stereotype of the wise old indian mystic who talks about vision quests and spirits and how peaceful and naturefriendly americans were before the europeans. i'm so fucking sick of that shit. that video made me nauseous.
I'm 44 years old and I know what you mean by the perpeptuation of Native American stereotypes coming out of Hollywood.
The difference is that I don't see that stereotype in this presentation at all.
I'm 44 years old and I know what you mean by the perpeptuation of Native American stereotypes coming out of Hollywood.
The difference is that I don't see that stereotype in this presentation at all.
Q: What do you see, then?
A: I see an elderly man who is personable and world-wise.
Q: Nevermind that he is Native American?
A: In the greater scheme of things, yes.
All very moving and kitschy to the extreme, and though I do detest modern America (and the Western Capitalist way in general) and it's, as you said above, "man-made money-oriented power and dominance focus," it's war-mongering and self-centred ways etc etc, I can't help feeling the itch to ask Mr Westerman about what happened to the Native Americans who "forgot the instructions for how to live on earth," you know, the ones who, pre-Columbus, pre-"white man" and his diseases and his guns and his system of systematic violence, you know, the natives who wiped out 80% of North America's large mammals? Weren't very close to the earth, or acting as Guardians of it then, were they?
killing 80 percent of animals is not in the same order of magnitude as wiping out the natives of an entire continent. its your forefathers who did that, englishmen, (not americans). they are the real black pot.
I have faced it, A life wasted...
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
"There is a remarkable difference between Western prophecies and those of native peoples. When Western prophets see into the future they envision Armageddon. The end of the world.
most or at least a very significant part of western philosophy isnt western at all in origin, but is originally judaic. including concepts such as armagedon and judgement day.
I have faced it, A life wasted...
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
All very moving and kitschy to the extreme, and though I do detest modern America (and the Western Capitalist way in general) and it's, as you said above, "man-made money-oriented power and dominance focus," it's war-mongering and self-centred ways etc etc, I can't help feeling the itch to ask Mr Westerman about what happened to the Native Americans who "forgot the instructions for how to live on earth," you know, the ones who, pre-Columbus, pre-"white man" and his diseases and his guns and his system of systematic violence, you know, the natives who wiped out 80% of North America's large mammals? Weren't very close to the earth, or acting as Guardians of it then, were they?
i didn't think the native america people wiped out the large mammals.
it is the bison or buffalo you are refering to.
people like buffalo bill cody shot hundreds of thousands of bison/buffalo for the fun of it.
which led to the death of many, many millions of these bison/buffalo you are referring to.
buffalo bill cody if i remember correctly had blonde hair and was as white in skin tone color as a sheet.
White man didn't invent smallpox. The hopi were eventually going to be introduced to it anyway. Do you think they could have kept their little spot shielded from the world forever?
yes.
indian folks in the rainforests of south america that do not get out of
the rainforest much do not have the same kind of illnesses like the other parts of the world.
isn't it a proven fact that during indian/whiteman wars that the u.s. military
gave out blankets to cold hungry indians; the blankets being infested with small pox?
isn't it a proven fact that during indian/whiteman wars that the u.s. military
gave out blankets to cold hungry indians; the blankets being infested with small pox?
small pox infected blankets were only one of many tactics used.
the new world was formed on the back of the biggest crime on humanity.
I have faced it, A life wasted...
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
small pox infected blankets were only one of many tactics used.
the new world was formed on the back of the biggest crime on humanity.
pritty much I.S.
it was and still is one of the worst crimes on humanity.
why is it still a crime today?
i feel the words/thoughts used in the video at the start of this thread are very accurate.
so much is out of whack.
i do try not to dwell in it.
i do try to do what's best for this earth, myself, and for others.
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True, but the smallpox was introduced by "white man". No white man, no smallpox.
It's kind of like Bush launching a war on Iraq and declaring we were liberating them at the same time. Now that's some fucked up logic.
White man didn't invent smallpox. The hopi were eventually going to be introduced to it anyway. Do you think they could have kept their little spot shielded from the world forever?
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Sounds like an audition for his next movie role where he plays wise old indian medicine man # 4553.
the world would be perfect without those damn crackas!
You have a decidedly limited view of humanity.
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i'm not the one with the limited view of natives (partially being that i'm a quarter myself). but its people like him and hollywood that perpetuate the stereotype of the wise old indian mystic who talks about vision quests and spirits and how peaceful and naturefriendly americans were before the europeans. i'm so fucking sick of that shit. that video made me nauseous.
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Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I'm 1/32 native
ah nevermind. I'm probably overreacting anyway. maybe one too many Tonto jokes in high school...
I'm 44 years old and I know what you mean by the perpeptuation of Native American stereotypes coming out of Hollywood.
The difference is that I don't see that stereotype in this presentation at all.
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Q: What do you see, then?
A: I see an elderly man who is personable and world-wise.
Q: Nevermind that he is Native American?
A: In the greater scheme of things, yes.
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killing 80 percent of animals is not in the same order of magnitude as wiping out the natives of an entire continent. its your forefathers who did that, englishmen, (not americans). they are the real black pot.
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
I didn't realize it was THAT much.
perfectly done by posting this here.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
most or at least a very significant part of western philosophy isnt western at all in origin, but is originally judaic. including concepts such as armagedon and judgement day.
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
i didn't think the native america people wiped out the large mammals.
it is the bison or buffalo you are refering to.
people like buffalo bill cody shot hundreds of thousands of bison/buffalo for the fun of it.
which led to the death of many, many millions of these bison/buffalo you are referring to.
buffalo bill cody if i remember correctly had blonde hair and was as white in skin tone color as a sheet.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
yes.
indian folks in the rainforests of south america that do not get out of
the rainforest much do not have the same kind of illnesses like the other parts of the world.
isn't it a proven fact that during indian/whiteman wars that the u.s. military
gave out blankets to cold hungry indians; the blankets being infested with small pox?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
small pox infected blankets were only one of many tactics used.
the new world was formed on the back of the biggest crime on humanity.
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
pritty much I.S.
it was and still is one of the worst crimes on humanity.
why is it still a crime today?
i feel the words/thoughts used in the video at the start of this thread are very accurate.
so much is out of whack.
i do try not to dwell in it.
i do try to do what's best for this earth, myself, and for others.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce