short 9/11 video (includes molten steel columns

Specifics wrote:

Got ya



And i got you as well

Dudes read it again i was bored and joking, i guess you yanks really dont get irony!

Anyways I cant give you any proof, that i would call proof, because as far as i can see there isnt any.

Roland nice find, but is this for real? I mean we cant truly believe that untill someone comes forward and faces the pack, i know this may prove impossible, and he would get rubbished by a tonne of people on the threat of losing everything they have, but I dont know.
The story fits the situation more than anything i've read officially but how hard is it to find something real in this whole thing?? fuck its annoying! And its this that makes it suss for me.

I will say tho, seriously this time, im fed up of hearing that the Bush administration could never have pulled this off, its too big, too complex, all that shit. Its nothing, anyone of a certain station in life could have pulled this off relatively easy, easy.

And the Bush administration worked they're way to the head of the current super-power in this World, by being idiots? nice idea but easily the most unbelievable premis of all.

Their actions, however, seem idiotic? how can this be?
Thats suspicious to me.

lol... I was wondering the whole time I replied.

The police and fire dept tapes are currently sealed (most likely erased, burned, and buried mind you) along with the sheraton and citgo evidence.

In reality nobody wants to be one of the first to come out and risk their career, family, social status, gov't harassment etc... Everyone is scared. And rightly so. The cops can raid your house for no reason at all now and you can't say boo.. They police and gov't can say and do anything they want.

Most of the individuals speaking out are not living in America from what I have seen. People that do speak, do so in Europe, because very few in America really want to hear it, or can deal with thinking about it. The blinders are on full tilt and extra dark. Mention it, and they'll hate you for it.

If Bush acted and spoke intelligently he couldn't pull off half the shit that he gets away with. Once the Bush clown and pony show moves out, things will start to happen, and people will begin to realize what really went down.

To me it's very simple. Buildings don't vaporize like that. Period. And yes, it really is that obvious.

chopitdown wrote:

Both black boxes from the hijacked aircraft which crashed into the Pentagon have also been recovered and turned over to the Federal Aviation Administration. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1543564.stm

I bet the gov't took the black boxes out of the orignal aircraft and then planted them in the missile that really hit the pentagon :rolleyes:

I just want to know... did the engines on the airplane fly away into outer space somewhere just before impact?

must of...looking at the crash photos, they sure as heck didn't touch the Pentagon.

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

lol... I was wondering the whole time I replied.

The police and fire dept tapes are currently sealed (most likely erased, burned, and buried mind you) along with the sheraton and citgo evidence.

Cool, 1-0 to me then

Doubt theres any physical evidence left anywhere dude. Not counting the collapse videos of course.

Why seal all this? Crazy that this is not a massive thing for all people. Crack the tapes and security videos out and lets all kick back and see that muslim terrorists did all this.

chopitdown wrote:

Both black boxes from the hijacked aircraft which crashed into the Pentagon have also been recovered and turned over to the Federal Aviation Administration. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1543564.stm

I bet the gov't took the black boxes out of the orignal aircraft and then planted them in the missile that really hit the pentagon :rolleyes:

They could have come from anywhere though just like miniscule amonts of supposed plane wreckage.

And it's lovely how they couldn't access the data.

It's just amazing the amount of first time for everythings that happened on that day.

Specifics wrote:

Ok dude maybe i over-reacted, fair call.

But what I was getting at was you cant know out of all the possible reasons why people in power would do this (there are lots of possibles, people are strange), which one/ones it was. And coming at it from the mindset that you do know puts your views a little off for me.

Sure theres money to be gained, but i think it would be a little simplistic that it was all done for money.
Power, yes i would guess so, but for any of the reasons i stated above and more.

I guess really it all comes down to money and power anyway so maybe i am just arguing semantics like an idiot.

it is a touchy subject for everyone so it's understandable why people get a little fired up and we all do. I realize money and power is a gross simplification of the possible reasons, but it's also the easiest thing to type out w/o writing a thesis on the topic Have a good one.

spiral out wrote:

They could have come from anywhere though just like miniscule amonts of supposed plane wreckage.

And it's lovely how they couldn't access the data.

It's just amazing the amount of first time for everythings that happened on that day.

yes they COULD have come from anywhere. But if people report seeing an airplane flying into the pentagon AND they find the black boxes of the plane that is missing IN the pentagon it wouldn't it make sense that just maybe it was a plane that hit the pentagon? To me, it seeems like you have to ignore a lot of common sense and logic and facts to deduce that it wasn't a plane that hit the pentagon...

it's just amazing that the US gov't botches most anything it does...except it executed everything perfectly that day.

chopitdown wrote:

yes they COULD have come from anywhere. But if people report seeing an airplane flying into the pentagon AND they find the black boxes of the plane that is missing IN the pentagon it wouldn't it make sense that just maybe it was a plane that hit the pentagon? To me, it seeems like you have to ignore a lot of common sense and logic and facts to deduce that it wasn't a plane that hit the pentagon...

it's just amazing that the US gov't botches most anything it does...except it executed everything perfectly that day.

I don't think they're botching anything. I would say it's all going more or less exactly according to their plan so far.

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Well...people in China are probably drinking pepsi from WTC cans.

haul all that shit off and burn it...yeah that's it. I wonder if the Chinese people were kind enough to pick out all the human remains first in order to finish burying people. So many reports of scooping up human remains with the scrap metal into a dumptruck and dragging it off to recycle.

Sickening.

Perhaps the biggest most imfamous crime comitteed on American soil in history. Investigate it properly? nah... burn it all. None of it could ever come in handy later on. Bush can see in to the future and know all that is to be and done apparently.

Lift that rug up a little higher!

Makes so much sense.

I'll agree with you on this point, that it is disgusting the way the remains were treated. I know some people have said they did all they could for recover for identification purposes, but if that's true, why is the city of NY having to dig up the West Side Highway to recover fragments out of manholes and the street in general that was paved with the aforementioned particles. Quite disgusting, indeed.

mookie9999 wrote:

Now were getting somewhere. So the supposed plane (Flight 77) never hit the Pentagon? Ok, where is it? Where are the passengers? Since so many people speak out for the conspiracy side from Europe, what do you think of this video by the BBC? http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ppfinal.html

Disregard the majority of the information on the page considering how it will debunk what you hold in your heart to be true, and just focus on the first video down from the front. Granted it doesn't show the plane hitting the pentagon, but let me know what you think.

First i'll say i dont hold anything in my heart about it, from what i can see the desperation comes from those who want to deny all sensible discussion on the subject.

I have strong doubts that there was no plane involved in the pentagon thing, however nothing including the page you posted, proves there was. There MUST be clearer images than this.

The interesting thing is that you say the other information on the page will debunk the conspiracy side when in fact it supports a large part of what has been said in this thread. Specifically about the planes ability to destroy enough of the structure in the twin towers to cause the total collapse witnessed. Very interesting indeed.

EDIT:Ok read you're post again and im not sure who you're saying will be debunked, and the page makes a HELL of a lot of sense from my viewpoint, still not sure where you're coming from tho, you're a tricky customer:)

mookie9999 wrote:

I'm sure there is. And I wish we could see them. But again I pose to others on this board (since you believe that a plane did crash into the Pentagon, although you don't state what kind of plane) if Flight 77 did not crash into the Pentagon, where oh where can it be?? If the Government and all involved had already committed to a crime this large, why salvage Flight 77??

I pose to you, have you actually read the page you posted and what do you think about what is suggested?
As it seems that you are trying yourself to deny the whole thing using the very tactic described.

( i believe flight 77 crashed into the pentagon as reported, i dont think that any government would have a reason not to go thru with that, certainly not for the good of the people on board, and how much effort it would take just to avoid a little collateral damage.)