short 9/11 video (includes molten steel columns

69charger

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

All I can say is that the steel beams act like a heat sink. A fire in one place is not going to heat the steel to any great degree outside the impact zone as heat is drawn away into the length of the beam. Especially an open air kerosene fire which is more or less what jet fuel really is.

The entire building's steel framework cannot be weakened everywhere at the same time from isolated pockets of fire. Especially not at, or near, free fall speed. Most of the building would be at 100% full strength, which would slow down, and resist the collapse progression. The effect of the impact is essentially negligible to areas of the building outside of the impact zone.

This is why is it impossible for the towers to collapse like that into just steel and dust. If you drop a cinder block of concrete from that same height, it's not going to turn into dust when it hits the ground. Not in this universe it isn't. What of all the office furniture? Dust?

No way. It's an impossible reality.

So many factual and scientific errors in your understanding of the events of 9/11.

It's sad how you choose to ignore rational, well thought out, and documented evidence.

:rolleyes:

69charger

Specifics wrote:

a picture without context is not proof

what about if i showed you a picture of a unicorn? what would that prove?

But, being able to see quite clearly the context ( "wow look how unlikely it is that this straw hit the tree in such a way right between these pieces of bark! hahaha, imagine if it was you're eye!" ,and not being desperate to believe anything) what would have happened if the straw had "slapped" the tree like i said? understand the coke can thing now? you may if you think again.

And what an interesting debate that would be!
especially with someone so free-minded and eminently likeable!

My thoughts would be that whether it hurt or not would depend upon which part of the brain it passed straight thru, but maybe it would hurt for at least the fraction of a second it took to pass thru the nerve endings. What do you think buddy?

Keep spinning man. Whatever.

As MakingWaves said earlier...

"E= 0.5m * v^2

when you square that velocity big things happen."

I'll leave you with that.

Specifics

69charger wrote:

Keep spinning man. Whatever.

As MakingWaves said earlier...

"E= 0.5m * v^2

when you square that velocity big things happen."

I'll leave you with that.

"Whatever"? are u gonna "kick me to the kerb sister"?

I never said anything about the fact that MakingWaves knows the equation for working out kinetic energy, or that u can read, i just "spun" a little "slap-down" on your ill-informed "jive talking".


I'll take that as a no on the coke can

RolandTD20Kdrummer

69charger wrote:

So many factual and scientific errors in your understanding of the events of 9/11.

It's sad how you choose to ignore rational, well thought out, and documented evidence.

:rolleyes:

Please tell me at what height a chunk of concrete turns into dust when you drop it?

that's the sad part...that's the obvious....who's telling who?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

apparently not very high at all....

During the first few seconds of a gravitational fall nothing is moving very fast, and yet from the outset what appears to be powdered concrete can be seem blowing out to the sides, growing to an immense dust cloud as the collapse progresses.

Specifics

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

apparently not very high at all....

During the first few seconds of a gravitational fall nothing is moving very fast, and yet from the outset what appears to be powdered concrete can be seem blowing out to the sides, growing to an immense dust cloud as the collapse progresses.

So freaking what?

If you're seriously tryin to tell me that the Bush administration could have seriously pulled this off, when in actual fact it wouldnt be that difficult at all, and then managed to spread just enough "fact" to keep happy the 90% per cent of people who love to stay in they're comfort zone, in the warmth of all the technology and wealth.....erm.....
If you're seriously tryin to tell me that the Bush administration are not a complete bunch of Braindeads, who have worked they're way into the hotseat of the worlds current super-power!....erm.......

You're an idiot, that plane definitely crashed into the Pentagon.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Specifics wrote:

So freaking what?

If you're seriously tryin to tell me that the Bush administration could have seriously pulled this off, when in actual fact it wouldnt be that difficult at all, and then managed to spread just enough "fact" to keep happy the 90% per cent of people who love to stay in they're comfort zone, in the warmth of all the technology and wealth.....erm.....
If you're seriously tryin to tell me that the Bush administration are not a complete bunch of Braindeads, who have worked they're way into the hotseat of the worlds current super-power!....erm.......

You're an idiot, that plane definitely crashed into the Pentagon.

So what? That all just flies right by you without a thought? lol oh man..

A New Jersey EMT has gone public on how emergency workers were told that Building 7 was going to be "pulled," before a 20 second demolition countdown broadcast over radio preceded its collapse. The ground zero rescue worker also blows the whistle on how he witnessed multiple underground support columns of the WTC towers that had been severed before the buildings imploded.

"There were explosions. There were flashes. There was molten metal running down the I-beams of the basement levels like lava flows. I've never seen anything like it. Yes, planes hit the buildings - anybody who says otherwise is a moron. But the explosions - the rapid, symmetrical, sequential explosions - they happened," states 'Mike'.

He explains how he and others were in the basement of one of the towers helping injured victims when he saw "One of the huge steel and concrete support pillars with an 8 foot section blown out of the center of it." Looking around, Mike saw other support columns that were in the same condition,

Perhaps of even more interest, the EMT relates the fact that hundreds of emergency rescue personnel were told over bullhorns that Building 7, a 47 story skyscraper adjacent the twin towers that was not hit by a plane yet imploded symmetrically later in the afternoon on 9/11, was about to be "pulled" and that a 20 second radio countdown preceded its collapse.

http://www.informationliberation.com/index.php?id=20096

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RolandTD20Kdrummer

What of the testimony of employees in the basement before the impact that heard and saw and felt explosions in the basement?

They saw the smoke, felt the heat, even their hair burnt from it.

What of the guy that had the skin blew off his arms from explosions in the basement before the planes hit? This is factual.

All this testimony was covered up. Explosions in the basements before the planes hit. My my...

They can't hide it forever. The time is coming....people are waking up.

Coming back to life

Al-Qaeda doesn't exist. 9/11 was the CIA. 7/7 was MI5. The Morocco bombings were the Moroccon government. The Istanbul bombings were the Turkish government. The Madrid bombings were the Spanish government, etc, etc.

Look, I'm not gonna bother arguing with the conspiracy theorists because they only see what they want to see.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Coming back to life wrote:

Al-Qaeda doesn't exist. 9/11 was the CIA. 7/7 was MI5. The Morocco bombings were the Moroccon government. The Istanbul bombings were the Turkish government. The Madrid bombings were the Spanish government, etc, etc.

Look, I'm not gonna bother arguing with the conspiracy theorists because they only see what they want to see.

When you get a chance do a google video search on "The Power of Nightmares"

your views are too simplistic...

spiral out

Specifics wrote:

You're an idiot, that plane definitely crashed into the Pentagon.

Could you show us some proof of the plane hitting the pentagon, cos so far i've seen none.

spiral out

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

When you get a chance do a google video search on "The Power of Nightmares"

your views are too simplistic...

Yes i second that, and it was made by the BBC but i guess this is just conspiricy theriosts too.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3755686.stm

Would be good for some of you to get a tiny little history lesson.

Coming back to life

What I was having a go at was the conspiracy theorists who use every if and maybe in their favour but put their hands in their ears to any evidence which goes against their agenda. THAT is what is simplistic. It is not simplistic to have a go at people for being simplistic.

chopitdown

spiral out wrote:

Could you show us some proof of the plane hitting the pentagon, cos so far i've seen none.

Both black boxes from the hijacked aircraft which crashed into the Pentagon have also been recovered and turned over to the Federal Aviation Administration. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1543564.stm

I bet the gov't took the black boxes out of the orignal aircraft and then planted them in the missile that really hit the pentagon :rolleyes:

Specifics

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

So what? That all just flies right by you without a thought? lol oh man..

A New Jersey EMT has gone public

Got ya

spiral out wrote:

Could you show us some proof of the plane hitting the pentagon, cos so far i've seen none.

And i got you as well

Dudes read it again i was bored and joking, i guess you yanks really dont get irony!

Anyways I cant give you any proof, that i would call proof, because as far as i can see there isnt any.

Roland nice find, but is this for real? I mean we cant truly believe that untill someone comes forward and faces the pack, i know this may prove impossible, and he would get rubbished by a tonne of people on the threat of losing everything they have, but I dont know.
The story fits the situation more than anything i've read officially but how hard is it to find something real in this whole thing?? fuck its annoying! And its this that makes it suss for me.

I will say tho, seriously this time, im fed up of hearing that the Bush administration could never have pulled this off, its too big, too complex, all that shit. Its nothing, anyone of a certain station in life could have pulled this off relatively easy, easy.

And the Bush administration worked they're way to the head of the current super-power in this World, by being idiots? nice idea but easily the most unbelievable premis of all.

Their actions, however, seem idiotic? how can this be?
Thats suspicious to me.

niner

if all the facts are true regaurding conspiracy, what was the motive? money?

Specifics

niner wrote:

if all the facts are true regaurding conspiracy, what was the motive? money?

Cheese

Dude if you cant see any motive no-one can help.

C'mon fucking hell! believe what you want about the events of the day, but its this sort of shit that really puts me off the non-questioning, do as your told side of the fence.

Power, status-quo, expansionism, religious dominance, moral dominance, pure arrogance.

Take your pick, all together, who the fuck knows what goes thru these peoples heads? but it does.

chopitdown

niner wrote:

if all the facts are true regaurding conspiracy, what was the motive? money?

money and power (I don't believe the conspiracy theories at all but if they are true those are DEFINITELY the reasons)

Specifics

chopitdown wrote:

money and power (I don't believe the conspiracy theories at all but if they are true those are DEFINITELY the reasons)

Damn, you DEFINITELY, not even definitely, know what goes on in other peoples minds? Even people that have had a much different life to, well mine, maybe not yours?

Then im with you! spilll me EXACTLY what happened on that day and that will do for me.

niner

chopitdown wrote:

money and power (I don't believe the conspiracy theories at all but if they are true those are DEFINITELY the reasons)

right, if they are true.

so those who believe the conspiracy, show me who and what was gained from all that distruction. and why would the gov be in on it?

i'm being sincere and puzzled about this. it would be easier for me to entertain the conspiracy if i could see the result of it