Why Do Athiests

gue_barium · May 2007

callen wrote:

really past its usefulness......I mean we've pretty much conquored the planet...and driving it to dust.....just too bad we can't somehow suppress this instinct...oh well. ITS EVOLUUUUUUTTTTION BAAABY....da da da da...da da da da....

The misconception is that we have conquered. It can't happen. Nature will prevail, ultimately. In the meantime there are those of us who at least try to understand the balance.

onelongsong · May 2007

callen wrote:

just shows how you've been programed....theres just absolutely nothing different between two men kissing and a man and woman....one couple has two outies..and other an outie and an innie......now two innies....woo hoo. ..

i consider myself more hindu than anything else. and i can say the same thing about mom and liver. some people hate it; others love it. some can't even stand the smell of it cooking. are they programed? how can you eat beef and not eat the liver; tounge; brain; or tripe? is it because of religion? maybe you don't find a difference. have you ever kissed a man romanticaly so that you can claim there's no difference or are you just talking?

Jeanie · May 2007

callen wrote:

I also think there are times folks don't use religion as the reason for not liking homosexuality.....but I do think they use religion to help justify their position. There are though alot (at least here in the US) that do take the christian stance..and go with it. No absolutes....as we've been learing on this wonderful board.

Yes, I understand this does appear to be the case in the US. But although we are no homosexual utopia here in Australia by any means, I do think that we are more accepting of homosexuality to a degree and where we are less than accepting the main reason wouldn't have anything to do with religion. We are different. Although we are becoming more and more inundated by groups with religious agendas and affiliations.

Jeanie · May 2007

cutback wrote:

same here kiddo.......:)

Hello matey!

Perhaps it is a generational thing then?

And not that I really want to mention it again, but I think I'm the older of the two of us cb so I don't really qualify as kiddo!!

Of course, I'll happily pretend.

onelongsong · May 2007

hippiemom wrote:

You asked atheists why they get angry with religious people, and the atheists in this thread have made it clear that what angers us most is when people try to force their religious beliefs on the larger society, and we have used laws against gay marriage as an example. If you do not support these laws, then your opinion of homosexuals doesn't interest us and I don't know why you'd mention it at all. If you're in favor of it being legal, we don't have any conflict

and i thanked everyone for giving me a new understanding of atheism. i think it's back a few pages.

i didn't bring up homosexuality. someone said no one can give a reason against homosexuality without it being religiously based. so i gave my reason.
i don't care what people do in private. i'm just thankful they can't breed.

gue_barium · May 2007

onelongsong wrote:

and i thanked everyone for giving me a new understanding of atheism. i think it's back a few pages.

i didn't bring up homosexuality. someone said no one can give a reason against homosexuality without it being religiously based. so i gave my reason.
i don't care what people do in private. i'm just thankful they can't breed.

Well, they can, actually.

hippiemom · May 2007

onelongsong wrote:

and i thanked everyone for giving me a new understanding of atheism. i think it's back a few pages.

i didn't bring up homosexuality. someone said no one can give a reason against homosexuality without it being religiously based. so i gave my reason.
i don't care what people do in private. i'm just thankful they can't breed.

I think what we were saying (at least what I was saying) is that you can't give a reason for a LAW against gay marriage without resorting to religion. I think that's true, as I've never heard anyone do it.

If it's just a matter of your own personal preference, that doesn't require a reason ... we like what we like, often without even knowing why

Jeanie · May 2007

onelongsong wrote:

and i thanked everyone for giving me a new understanding of atheism. i think it's back a few pages.

i didn't bring up homosexuality. someone said no one can give a reason against homosexuality without it being religiously based. so i gave my reason.
i don't care what people do in private. i'm just thankful they can't breed.

I have no problem with them being parents ols. And although they may not be able to procreate in the standard way, I would certainly support gays and lesbians being able to marry, adopt, surrogate and/or invitro in order to have a family should they wish to.

callen · May 2007

onelongsong wrote:

i maybe you don't find a difference. have you ever kissed a man romanticaly so that you can claim there's no difference or are you just talking?

simply because my drive is to kiss girls (chemical..in the brain from birth, not my doing and not from my environment) ....but I also realize that other men want to passionately kiss another guy....with the same exact drive that I have towards women...and thus see it utterly foolish to think they're doing something wrong or unnatural. Hence if I see two couples...one hetro and one homo doing the same exact thing....theres no difference, none, nada....now I do understand how it makes people uncomfortable...and I don't hold that against anyone..its natural...just wish more folks would think about it.

Now to Jeanie's point...how much affection should be displayed in public...well that another issue all together.

Jeanie · May 2007

callen wrote:

...Now to Jeanie's point...how much affection should be displayed in public...well that another issue all together.

I don't think it is an issue callen. People, all people should be free to love as they choose, where they choose. All I meant was that I have a problem with PDAs. That doesn't mean that everybody should stop participating in them.
My friends, gay and straight know that I'm not big on them, and mostly they refrain from looking like they need a room or a bucket of cold water around me.

I mean, I don't get upset with touching, or hugging or kissing, but groping and trying to touch someone's lower intestine by shoving your tongue down their throat is something I really DO NOT NEED TO SEE! But I have been known to remove myself from the situation if it looks like folks can't control themselves.

So it's all good. Not really an issue. Just a personal preference.

gue_barium · May 2007

Jeanie wrote:

I don't think it is an issue callen. People, all people should be free to love as they choose, where they choose. All I meant was that I have a problem with PDAs. That doesn't mean that everybody should stop participating in them.
My friends, gay and straight know that I'm not big on them, and mostly they refrain from looking like they need a room or a bucket of cold water around me. I mean, I don't get upset with touching, or hugging or kissing, but groping and trying to touch someone's lower intestine by shoving your tongue down their throat is something I really DO NOT NEED TO SEE! But I have been known to remove myself from the situation if it looks like folks can't control themselves. So it's all good. Not really an issue. Just a personal preference.

You just didn't have a partner.

onelongsong · May 2007

hippiemom wrote:

I think what we were saying (at least what I was saying) is that you can't give a reason for a LAW against gay marriage without resorting to religion. I think that's true, as I've never heard anyone do it.

If it's just a matter of your own personal preference, that doesn't require a reason ... we like what we like, often without even knowing why

i'm pretty much against marriage in general. i heard on the news that the divorce rate is now at 80%. my solution is another thread entirely.

if gays are allowed to marry than polygamists should receive the same rights. otherwise you're just crying discrimination out of one side of your mouth and discriminating out of the other side. if you do a little research; you will find that the bill allowing gay marriage was shot down as soon as someone pointed out that polygamists deserve equal rights too.

now; how is that reason religiously related in any way?

gue_barium · May 2007

onelongsong wrote:

i'm pretty much against marriage in general. i heard on the news that the divorce rate is now at 80%. my solution is another thread entirely.

if gays are allowed to marry than polygamists should receive the same rights. otherwise you're just crying discrimination out of one side of your mouth and discriminating out of the other side. if you do a little research; you will find that the bill allowing gay marriage was shot down as soon as someone pointed out that polygamists deserve equal rights too.

now; how is that reason religiously related in any way?

buffaloman.

good job.

Binaural · May 2007

onelongsong wrote:

why do athiests have so much anger toward those of religion? religious threads here turn into athiest trying to prove those of religion are wrong. why? where does this anger come from. if you tell someone of religion that you are athiest; they feel sorry for you and maybe pray for you; which is an act of compassion to them. yet athiests can't wait to jump on someone trying to prove they're wrong. they disrespect that person and thier beliefs. are these the attributes of a "good" person?

I haven't been on the board much in the past fews days and unfortunately have missed most of this disscussion so Ill just answer the question you posed (Ill read through the thread after work).
From the moment I stepped into primary school I was told God was real, I went to mass every week, had to sing hyms, do confirmation, first holy communion etc, all well and good I suppose. But noone ever told me any differing opinions, noone ever gave me a choice, I was brainwashed as a child by religion and personally that disgusts me and I feel sick whenever someone tries to tell me religion is not forced upon anyone.
Throughout history religion has been used as a tool for supression of free political thought, it was used to cement the powers of kings and queens, it was used to make men powerful and rich, it was used to perpetuate conflict and bloodshed. This was not just 200 years ago, it goes on today. Major Christian churches took a stance of non involvment in the African American slave trade, the chuch forbade the use of contraception resulting in the deaths of untold numbers of Africans from AIDS despite the fact that the Catholic church had and has shares in Durex. Priests in the Catholic church were allowed to fuck little boys and girls and their 'little indiscretions' were swept under the carpet and if things got bad they were simply moved to another parish. The age of consent in The Vatican is 12 years of age, and considering the history and nature of this branch of christianity I wouldn't ignore that. An Evangilist minister in a church in my city described the Tsunami disaster of recent as "Gods way of punishing non believers", a Televangelist in America said a similar thing about Hurricane Katrina being Gods way of stopping a Gay Pride parade due to take place in New Orleans 3 days after the hurricane. The bible is a sexist book that prtrays women as heathen, adulturous whores who were responsible for our expulsion from paradise. Religion has given us money hungry idiots like L. Ron fucking Hubbard.
Religion throughout history up to the present day has shown itself to be a cancer on human existence. I do not deny that religion has the potential to be a positive force however for the reasons I have listed above and many many more I do not believe the good to outway the bad and I do not understand how any loving, sane, compassionate adult can ask me why I cannot just leave people to their beliefs and not be so angry.

Jeanie · May 2007

gue_barium wrote:

You just didn't have a partner.

Says who?

Pearl Jam and toast · May 2007

onelongsong wrote:

and i thanked everyone for giving me a new understanding of atheism. i think it's back a few pages.

i didn't bring up homosexuality. someone said no one can give a reason against homosexuality without it being religiously based. so i gave my reason.
i don't care what people do in private. i'm just thankful they can't breed.

To be fair, you didn't give a reason. you just said 'that's how it is' basically.

The hate in that bolded line is making me leave this thread uncomfortably. No swearing or anything, I'll just say that I really, really find that kind of mindset offensive.

Jeanie · May 2007

onelongsong wrote:

i'm pretty much against marriage in general. i heard on the news that the divorce rate is now at 80%. my solution is another thread entirely.

if gays are allowed to marry than polygamists should receive the same rights. otherwise you're just crying discrimination out of one side of your mouth and discriminating out of the other side. if you do a little research; you will find that the bill allowing gay marriage was shot down as soon as someone pointed out that polygamists deserve equal rights too.

now; how is that reason religiously related in any way?

I'd support polygamy if girls could do it too!!

soulsinging · May 2007

onelongsong wrote:

i'm sure it will be. why not record it? the program isn't about the bible. at least 3 religions reference these commandments. i think it's more of a documentary but an atheist may find it religious. i think it's mostly historical and archeological (sp?) facts.

i dont have a vcr... my analaogue days are sadly over

soulsinging · May 2007

onelongsong wrote:

well; you've got most of it wrong. let me straighten you out.

died of a brain aneurysm and resusitated.
living after severe damage to my front right lobe and vagas nerve
fronted a popular band and had the aneurysm just after receiving a recording contract. this ended my singing career. several people on the board have my covers cd. jeanie is one that can back that up.
killed one person. i am still a licensed bounty hunter but haven't done that since 1998.
never in a militia or a comando. i own at least 30 guns but that makes me a collector; not anything else.
never healed anyone with water. only gave holy water as a gift to those who would appreciate it.
research by many other facilities have shown great improvements and people cured with buffalo meat. why would my naturally raised buffalo be the only buffalo meat NOT to give the same results?
never once said NEVER LOST A CASE. the comment was "impressive record".
i consider myself a loyola alumni but i attended several colleges. i spent 20 years in college but i worked the entire time. thus the long period of time.
i'll admitt i inherited a lot of money but i also worked my entire life.
i stopped drawing salary so i didn't have to pay taxes. no income-no taxes owed. however; since i put everything in my daughters name; she paid the taxes due.
i was identified as a criminal falsely and because my ranch is so remote; i couldn't be found. during this time my attorneys cleared my name. the real drug smuggler fled back to poland where he died in a car accident. i never used a false identity; what i said was that the government was looking for a dead guy.

so; did i explain that simple enough for you? or should i use smaller words?

close... id still like to know what the name of the band was and where your law degree is from. being in college 20 years doesn't make you a lawyer. you have to go to a law school and get a jd and pass the bar. im wondering what school. is it loyola?

that said, the rest clears up a few things. you ought not be so cryptic. and you ought to write a book if even half that stuff is true. or hire me to write it for you... cos you may be wealthy but im not yet

gue_barium · May 2007

soulsinging wrote:

close... id still like to know what the name of the band was and where your law degree is from. being in college 20 years doesn't make you a lawyer. you have to go to a law school and get a jd and pass the bar. im wondering what school. is it loyola?

that said, the rest clears up a few things. you ought not be so cryptic. and you ought to write a book if even half that stuff is true. or hire me to write it for you... cos you may be wealthy but im not yet

soulsinging writing onelongsong's biography.

my palms are sweating.

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