Why Do Athiests

soulsinging

gue_barium wrote:

It is a common practice in Japanese medical circles to tell a critical patient that they are getting better in order to affect a positive outlook for the patient.

you'd get sued for that here

anyway, i've no doubt mindset can influence recovery. i did doubt the fact that he seemed to claim his prayers and his holy water healed them. if that wasn't the claim, then my bad, terribly sorry, carry on folks...

onelongsong

Cosmo wrote:

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Dying of poisonous gasses in the darkness of a fricken' coal mine... yeah, that's bad. So, is dying a long and protracted... painful death from cancer... yeah, I classify it as bad, too.
We all want a peaceful death, religious or not... where we go to bed one night, after a long and rewarding lifetime, and simply do not wake up. But, that ain't always the way it goes down. People die horrible deaths... like slipping into a wood chipper, tumbling down a flight of stairs, mangled up in a crushed automobile, heart attacks while sitting on the can with your pants around your ankles, drawing your last breaths in the filthy gutter after being struck by a car... no one want to die this way. And what about the 7 year old girl that is killed after being raped by some pedophile psycho... is her death greater than her survival? Religious people welcome that? No. They welcome the going to sleep and not waking up. If you accept death so easily, you accept all the manners in which we die... not just the one way we want to go out of this place.

i welcome death in any form. does it really matter how?

you ask why some people die a terrible death. i think it's the way they lived in this or a past life. i know why i was punished and i accepted what has happened to me as punishment. maybe that's why i'm still alive when i shouldn't be.

onelongsong

soulsinging wrote:

you'd get sued for that here

anyway, i've no doubt mindset can influence recovery. i did doubt the fact that he seemed to claim his prayers and his holy water healed them. if that wasn't the claim, then my bad, terribly sorry, carry on folks...

no that wasn't the claim nor intent to lead anyone to believe that.

hey ss; saturday on the history channel there's a special about the 619 commandments. it will answer all the questions you and others asked me about it. it's called THE 10 COMMANDMENTS and is on at 8:00 pm. eastern time i believe. it's quite interesting and backs everything i said.

gue_barium

onelongsong wrote:

no that wasn't the claim nor intent to lead anyone to believe that.

hey ss; saturday on the history channel there's a special about the 619 commandments. it will answer all the questions you and others asked me about it. it's called THE 10 COMMANDMENTS and is on at 8:00 pm. eastern time i believe. it's quite interesting and backs everything i said.

I'm sure it's an interesting program. I'll watch it if I'm home.

Then again, I'd like to reiterate, the Bible is not a fact of life. It's one book, among many.

soulsinging

onelongsong wrote:

no that wasn't the claim nor intent to lead anyone to believe that.

hey ss; saturday on the history channel there's a special about the 619 commandments. it will answer all the questions you and others asked me about it. it's called THE 10 COMMANDMENTS and is on at 8:00 pm. eastern time i believe. it's quite interesting and backs everything i said.

shit... i've got some place to be at 6pm saturday... any chance of it being rerun?

onelongsong

soulsinging wrote:

oh, ive kinda given up on any straight talk from him. but for those who weren't keeping count, here's the resume:

- dead, and resurrected
- medical miracle
- rock star
- killed 2 people
- raises buffalo
- militia commando
- healed several people with his water (or his buffalo, he seems a bit confused)
- attorney that has never lost case (though apparently hasn't gone to law school)
- retired a multi-millionaire at 40
- refused to pay taxes for years
- was thus forced underground until he reemerged on this board after stealing another citizen's identity (i believe a dead one as he tells it)

i think i've covered it... am i missing anything?

well; you've got most of it wrong. let me straighten you out.

died of a brain aneurysm and resusitated.
living after severe damage to my front right lobe and vagas nerve
fronted a popular band and had the aneurysm just after receiving a recording contract. this ended my singing career. several people on the board have my covers cd. jeanie is one that can back that up.
killed one person. i am still a licensed bounty hunter but haven't done that since 1998.
never in a militia or a comando. i own at least 30 guns but that makes me a collector; not anything else.
never healed anyone with water. only gave holy water as a gift to those who would appreciate it.
research by many other facilities have shown great improvements and people cured with buffalo meat. why would my naturally raised buffalo be the only buffalo meat NOT to give the same results?
never once said NEVER LOST A CASE. the comment was "impressive record".
i consider myself a loyola alumni but i attended several colleges. i spent 20 years in college but i worked the entire time. thus the long period of time.
i'll admitt i inherited a lot of money but i also worked my entire life.
i stopped drawing salary so i didn't have to pay taxes. no income-no taxes owed. however; since i put everything in my daughters name; she paid the taxes due.
i was identified as a criminal falsely and because my ranch is so remote; i couldn't be found. during this time my attorneys cleared my name. the real drug smuggler fled back to poland where he died in a car accident. i never used a false identity; what i said was that the government was looking for a dead guy.

so; did i explain that simple enough for you? or should i use smaller words?

Jeanie

So are we all gonna play nice now?

onelongsong

soulsinging wrote:

shit... i've got some place to be at 6pm saturday... any chance of it being rerun?

i'm sure it will be. why not record it? the program isn't about the bible. at least 3 religions reference these commandments. i think it's more of a documentary but an atheist may find it religious. i think it's mostly historical and archeological (sp?) facts.

onelongsong

Jeanie wrote:

So are we all gonna play nice now?

hey cutie; you're awake. 3:28 am there. we're playing nice. feel free to tell ss how bad my singing is.

Pearl Jam and toast

I don't wanna get into whatever debate is going on, Ill just say a few words..

- Religious people have pushed everyone else around since the dawn of man. The power lies with who has the most people. Everyone else is gonna burn in hell.

- In this country a large amount of Christians are self-righteous hypocritical assholes. I know plenty of honest people who happen to be Christians, but that doesn't negate the former statement.

- Not all atheists do that. The fraction of atheists who act like that is even smaller (much smaller) than those self-righteous assholes I spoke of above.

- You push your religious beliefs on someone who doesn't want to hear them and they're gonna fight back. Push me and I will resist.

- A lot of religious people are dellusional to the amount of opposition they face (and vice versa with atheists).

- Our country happens to be basically run by (talking about Washington here, obviously) those hypocritical assholes. That leaves an imprint on atheists. And when their fellow Christians just go along with whatever Conservative candidate A or B says about abortion, gay rights, the war, etc etc it doesn't exactly give them any merit with atheists.

I'm tired, that's enough.

onelongsong

i really did learn alot from this thread and i have a new understanding about atheism. including how to spell it.
1) some are angry and dispise all religions
2) some seem to have an axe to grind with God for some reason
3) some just don't care
4) and some just don't get it. they can't believe what can't be proven.

i hope i got that right. thanks for the open and honest discussion. i came up with a few more questions in the night but i can't remember them right now.

Jeanie

onelongsong wrote:

hey cutie; you're awake. 3:28 am there. we're playing nice. feel free to tell ss how bad my singing is.

It's 2.30am here, so I guess it's good morning all round love.

I'll tell ss about your singing when you read your damn email and get back to me!! Deal?

Anyway, it's lovely to see everybody playing nice. A pleasant surprise to come home to.

Jeanie

onelongsong wrote:

i really did learn alot from this thread and i have a new understanding about atheism. including how to spell it.
1) some are angry and dispise all religions
2) some seem to have an axe to grind with God for some reason
3) some just don't care
4) and some just don't get it. they can't believe what can't be proven.

i hope i got that right. thanks for the open and honest discussion. i came up with a few more questions in the night but i can't remember them right now.

er hem. And some are accepting and respectful of other people's beliefs even though they don't share them.

onelongsong

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

I don't wanna get into whatever debate is going on, Ill just say a few words..

- Religious people have pushed everyone else around since the dawn of man. The power lies with who has the most people. Everyone else is gonna burn in hell.

- In this country a large amount of Christians are self-righteous hypocritical assholes. I know plenty of honest people who happen to be Christians, but that doesn't negate the former statement.

- Not all atheists do that. The fraction of atheists who act like that is even smaller (much smaller) than those self-righteous assholes I spoke of above.

- You push your religious beliefs on someone who doesn't want to hear them and they're gonna fight back. Push me and I will resist.

- A lot of religious people are dellusional to the amount of opposition they face (and vice versa with atheists).

- Our country happens to be basically run by (talking about Washington here, obviously) those hypocritical assholes. That leaves an imprint on atheists. And when their fellow Christians just go along with whatever Conservative candidate A or B says about abortion, gay rights, the war, etc etc it doesn't exactly give them any merit with atheists.

I'm tired, that's enough.

i seem to remember christians being the persecuted ones. being killed in unbelievable ways only for what they believed. only the mormans have tried to push thier religion on me. other than that; everyone i've ever met has respected others beliefs and religion rarely comes up in discussion. i've been to many different churches. mostly because friends were going to church and i said i'd go with. but not 1 has tried to convert me.

if people of different religions can respect eachothers beliefs; why can't atheists? that's my question.

Pearl Jam and toast

onelongsong wrote:

i really did learn alot from this thread and i have a new understanding about atheism. including how to spell it.
1) some are angry and dispise all religions
2) some seem to have an axe to grind with God for some reason
3) some just don't care
4) and some just don't get it. they can't believe what can't be proven.

i hope i got that right. thanks for the open and honest discussion. i came up with a few more questions in the night but i can't remember them right now.

Here's something big you might want to consider: Agnostics.

I don't consider myself an atheist, nor do I consider myself any kind of religious person.

I might call myself a Humanist.. I believe in a responsibility that all people have to simply be good people. I believe that all the major religions have great aspects and bad.

Christianity (this is my opinion, don't take offense please) is full of straight up bullshit. Some Christians today just don't understand that what may have been true or more easily accepted 1000 years ago might not apply to modern society.

Look at the gay marriage issue for example. I don't know how many of you remember the great debates we had (last year or even 2 years ago I think..) on this forum over this issue. It got to the point where I made a thread asking people who were against it to justify their position without religion. They couldn't do it. It's purely an issue driven by conservative religious beliefs. So that leaves a group of people being discriminated against for no other reason than because some Christians believed it 1000 years ago and wrote it in a book.

Now there's plenty of really great stuff in the Bible, no doubt about that. I just don't understand why anyone has to align themselves to a certain religion. Why do you believe you have to follow every part of the Bible, go into some building every Sunday and listen to a man in a funny collar?

It just makes more sense to take the good without the bad from everywhere in the world. I've devoted myself to gaining knowledge and trying to be the best human being I can be, not to some book.

angelica

Jeanie wrote:

Thanks love!!

How are you angel?

I am great! I missed you on the weekend! I hope you are awesome!

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Yeah I just kept my mouth shut and looked down (smiling)...

Roland, sometimes you're just too cute.

onelongsong

Jeanie wrote:

er hem. And some are accepting and respectful of other people's beliefs even though they don't share them.

sorry; forgot them.

Pearl Jam and toast

onelongsong wrote:

i seem to remember christians being the persecuted ones. being killed in unbelievable ways only for what they believed. only the mormans have tried to push thier religion on me. other than that; everyone i've ever met has respected others beliefs and religion rarely comes up in discussion. i've been to many different churches. mostly because friends were going to church and i said i'd go with. but not 1 has tried to convert me.

if people of different religions can respect eachothers beliefs; why can't atheists? that's my question.

Yes christians were persecuted... when they didn't have the power. Look at England. They split up and the Christian denomination in power discriminated the hell out of the other (catholic vs protestant generally).

Look at the Pilgrims.. they escaped discrimination in England, came to America, and said "if you don't do everything we say you're a sinner and don't deserve to live with us". That word I used several times comes to mind.. hypocritical.

if people of different religions can respect eachothers beliefs; why can't atheists? that's my question

Assuming that all atheists don't respect your beliefs is a stereotype. You need to break down all those walls about what you perceive atheists to be and look at people as individuals.

Pearl Jam and toast

I'm sorry if I'm coming off angry, I'm not angry. Trying to keep it nice

onelongsong

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

Here's something big you might want to consider: Agnostics.

I don't consider myself an atheist, nor do I consider myself any kind of religious person.

I might call myself a Humanist.. I believe in a responsibility that all people have to simply be good people. I believe that all the major religions have great aspects and bad.

Christianity (this is my opinion, don't take offense please) is full of straight up bullshit. Some Christians today just don't understand that what may have been true or more easily accepted 1000 years ago might not apply to modern society.

Look at the gay marriage issue for example. I don't know how many of you remember the great debates we had (last year or even 2 years ago I think..) on this forum over this issue. It got to the point where I made a thread asking people who were against it to justify their position without religion. They couldn't do it. It's purely an issue driven by conservative religious beliefs. So that leaves a group of people being discriminated against for no other reason than because some Christians believed it 1000 years ago and wrote it in a book.

No there's plenty of really great stuff in the Bible, no doubt about that. I just don't understand why anyone has to align themselves to a certain religion. Why do you believe you have to follow every part of the Bible, go into some building every Sunday and listen to a man in a funny collar?

It just makes more sense to take the good without the bad from everywhere in the world. I've devoted myself to gaining knowledge and trying to be the best human being I can be, not to some book.

um; i've stated many times that the bible was written and assembled by flawed men. it tells a small portion of a story.

i find homosexuality discusting. no religion involved. i see 2 guys kissing and i want to puke. men acting like women (to me) is pretending to be something they're not. no religion involved in my opinion at all.