D.C. Gun Ban Ruled Unconstitutional!

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  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    Derrick wrote:
    The other thing you can do is not carry anything of substantial wealth and submit. Offer your attacker your wallet and advise them to have fun with the bank card (lol). Carry little or minimal cash. Someone steals your wallet? oh well.

    I personally hate cash as it is. Makes the wallet too thick and change is heavy.

    I hate bank cards. Those stupid girls in front of me in line need to get some cash for their $1.29 can of Diet Coke.
  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I hope he does not have access to a gun.

    I would say this about the people in this thread who fear guns so damn much that, if they don't know how to use them, nobody should have them.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Derrick wrote:
    The other thing you can do is not carry anything of substantial wealth and submit. Offer your attacker your wallet and advise them to have fun with the bank card (lol). Carry little or minimal cash. Someone steals your wallet? oh well.

    I personally hate cash as it is. Makes the wallet too thick and change is heavy.

    the means to steal your identity is worth more than money.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I thought the gun death statistics show that society owning guns leads to more people getting shot by them. Seems pretty cause and effect to me. Wasn't there a study done on this?

    People tend to get angry and irrational with or without owning a gun. If my neighbor went totally psycho nuts one day I would be telling myself hmm I hope he does not have access to a gun.

    I think gun nuts are exactly that...fucking nuts!

    i see you misunderstood. crime goes up where a society is disarmed. the original post states the rise in the crime rate in DC since the ban went into effect. others have posted stats that the uk and austrailia's crime rate elevated when the people were disarmed.
    there was also a post showing a gun death rate for 1994 at about 17,000 people; then another post showing the gun death rate for 2004 at about 10,000. this is a significant drop. during those 10 years; 23 states have enacted laws allowing citizens to carry conceiled weapons.
    coincidence?
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Give me a gun!

    I believe in God mother*****er!!!!!!!!!!
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    zstillings wrote:
    I hate bank cards. Those stupid girls in front of me in line need to get some cash for their $1.29 can of Diet Coke.
    call girls stupid for using bank cards for cokes...but I can't call people stupid for disliking peoples sex drives...hmmmmmmm Come on Z...whats up with that???
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    callen wrote:
    call girls stupid for using bank cards for cokes...but I can't call people stupid for disliking peoples sex drives...hmmmmmmm Come on Z...whats up with that???

    Mesa love sex drives. I mean. I love sex.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    onelongsong wrote:
    i see you misunderstood. crime goes up where a society is disarmed. the original post states the rise in the crime rate in DC since the ban went into effect. others have posted stats that the uk and austrailia's crime rate elevated when the people were disarmed.
    there was also a post showing a gun death rate for 1994 at about 17,000 people; then another post showing the gun death rate for 2004 at about 10,000. this is a significant drop. during those 10 years; 23 states have enacted laws allowing citizens to carry conceiled weapons.
    coincidence?

    we have a shit load more crime in the US than European countries that don't have guns.

    Also on DC....yea the ban wasn't successful...cause criminals could drive a few miles to get guns....ban them in the US.....give everyone fair market value for their guns...then anyone caught with a gun gets minimum 5 years...and crime will go down big time. Very simple really.. ...not that I agree with this..as I DON't Trust my government..especially when bible toting voters keep electing crooks...yea yea yea..I know.
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  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    callen wrote:
    call girls stupid for using bank cards for cokes...but I can't call people stupid for disliking peoples sex drives...hmmmmmmm Come on Z...whats up with that???

    Hey, give me a break. It was a bad morning this morning with that. I should have just slept longer. ;)
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    PJPOWER wrote:
    Of course there's a parenting problem.........what's your point?

    well you've admitted your country has a problem with guns! and yet you are still defending the 'right' to bear arms... :confused:

    i see no-one has yet answered that question i posted 3 times, earlier in this thread :rolleyes:
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • lucylespian
    lucylespian Posts: 2,403
    onelongsong wrote:
    i see you misunderstood. crime goes up where a society is disarmed. the original post states the rise in the crime rate in DC since the ban went into effect. others have posted stats that the uk and austrailia's crime rate elevated when the people were disarmed.
    there was also a post showing a gun death rate for 1994 at about 17,000 people; then another post showing the gun death rate for 2004 at about 10,000. this is a significant drop. during those 10 years; 23 states have enacted laws allowing citizens to carry conceiled weapons.
    coincidence?

    "the people" were never armed in Australia, in a sense that US citizens are. Gun crime is so low here that a single death could significantly alter stats, but I don't believe they have gone up in any event. I thknk a few bikers shot each other last year, that's about it, and the ocasional dometic shooting. It boggles my mind that you think 10 000 is a great number. It is pretty obvious that as a country, you have missed the opportunity to have low gun and gun crime rates. You constant calms about the ease with which criminal can get guns are probably true, because you have persisted with our rights for so long, you have actually created the need for those rights. There are too many many in existance to easily eradciate them, and there is no political will to do so. Those of us in gun free countries are grateful that we never had the right and obsessive need to bear arms, because now we don't need to. I understand the fascination with guns, I went through a phase of it myself as a teenager. My father inherited an old Winchester lever action, and I learnt to strip it totally and rebuild it blindfolded. But i grew out if it.
    I think that the anti-gunners here are arguing that is is possible and desirable to have society including yours without guns, not that we expect to actually happen.
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  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    dunkman wrote:
    well you've admitted your country has a problem with guns! and yet you are still defending the 'right' to bear arms... :confused:

    i see no-one has yet answered that question i posted 3 times, earlier in this thread :rolleyes:

    Our country has a problem with criminals comitting crimes with firearms. Should we work to reduce the problem? Yes.

    Our country has a problem with automobile deaths. Should we work to reduce the problem? Yes.

    Our country has a problem with prescription medicine error related deaths. Should we work to reduce the problem? Yes.

    Do we need to ban any of these things? NO!

    It would also seem to the that 1st Amendment rights lead to abuse of 2nd Amendment rights and that we should seek to limit people's 1st Amendment rights as well. Where does it end?
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    dunkman wrote:
    well you've admitted your country has a problem with guns! and yet you are still defending the 'right' to bear arms... :confused:

    i see no-one has yet answered that question i posted 3 times, earlier in this thread :rolleyes:

    I can't believe you're still blaming the gun for the crime. Primarily, our society has a problem with crime for the staggering economic and educational inequality we live in.
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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    69charger wrote:
    Our country has a problem with criminals comitting crimes with firearms. Should we work to reduce the problem? Yes.

    Our country has a problem with automobile deaths. Should we work to reduce the problem? Yes.

    Our country has a problem with prescription medicine error related deaths. Should we work to reduce the problem? Yes.

    are guns truly necessary and were they designed to shoot people in the face? no and yes

    are automobiles necessary and were they designed to kill people? yes, pretty much and no

    are prescription medicines necessary and were they designed to kill people for a laugh? yes and no
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    gue_barium wrote:
    I can't believe you're still blaming the gun for the crime.


    i think the guns helps... otherwise its just people pointing their fingers at each other and shouting *bang* and as yet i've never heard of anyone dying as a result of being shouted at
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    dunkman wrote:
    i think the guns helps... otherwise its just people pointing their fingers at each other and shouting *bang* and as yet i've never heard of anyone dying as a result of being shouted at

    Well, then I guess you're suggesting the cops go without guns as well. Which leaves the military the only ones armed.
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    dunkman wrote:
    well you've admitted your country has a problem with guns! and yet you are still defending the 'right' to bear arms... :confused:

    i see no-one has yet answered that question i posted 3 times, earlier in this thread :rolleyes:
    I did answer the question earlier. And I don't think that guns are a major problem in the US although in some selective placed they are........placed where there are a lot of gangs, etc. As a whole, there is not a "gun problem". I also addressed that in a previous post where I mentioned that the people causing the problems with guns are those who are allready breaking gun laws that are in place. It's not the people who respect the law that are causing the problems, but rather those who do not respect it. If another law were put in place banning all firearms, what makes you think that they will all of the sudden start respecting the law? Stop hearing what you want to hear and look at how past legislation regarding gun bans have negatively effected societies; Washington DC-crime increased, gun-related crime increased as well! Great Britain-crime increased. Australia-crime increased...................While in the mean time, crime rates in the US continue to drop...........explain that!
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    gue_barium wrote:
    Well, then I guess you're suggesting the cops go without guns as well. Which leaves the military the only ones armed.

    how the fuck do you get that I'm "suggesting the cops go without guns as well" :confused:

    and the military being the only ones armed? sounds just like the UK to me? big deal
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    dunkman wrote:
    how the fuck do you get that I'm "suggesting the cops go without guns as well" :confused:

    and the military being the only ones armed? sounds just like the UK to me? big deal

    Alright, so then I guess this is a world without guns altogether in your mind. Gotcha.
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    gue_barium wrote:
    Well, then I guess you're suggesting the cops go without guns as well. Which leaves the military the only ones armed.

    Already like that in a number of countries... what's the issue here?

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