Survey of 6,000 active duty soldiers reveals anger about war

sapperskunk wrote:

Don't be fooled by that fuckhead. Why didn't he dissent while stationed in Korea? Funny how he got orders to deploy then decided it was unjust, you know his family's in politics? We'll see him running for something someday, I'll bet on it.

He says he has an obligation to refuse for the good of the troops, what about his obligation to his men, he left them high and dry without their platoon leader just to deploy without him, they got wives and kids and shit.

I met him two months ago and we talked briefly, not impressed, sorry.

Everybody has an agenda.

fuckhead?

kind of hard to have a logical discussion when you preface your point with that.

I was calling Watada "Fuckhead". I'm sorry but personally when I think about that guy I get very very angry.

Let me again apologize for my language, it's a real problem especially in the work I do as a radio DJ. I'm working on it though.

Don't let my colorful vocabulary lead you away from the facts though.

Yes, these men and women voluntarily joined the U.S. military ranks and knew that if required they could be placed in harms way. Our President asked them to go to war for Iraq freedom - THEY DID!!!!

-they captured and killed the sons of Saddam
-they captured and killed several would be replacement leaders
-they defeated the formal Iraqi military
-they found no weapons of mass destruction
-they captured Saddam so that he could be brought to trial
-they made it possible for Iraq to hold elections for the formation of a democratic style governing body
-they fought insurgents
-they fought the faceless enemy of the citizen turned bomber, police trainee with a gun to their back

They did what our President asked and succeeded.

-No weapons of mass destruction were found.

-Iraq has an "elected" governing body "voted" in by the "people" of Iraq.

-Saddam is dead

-Iraq is FREE

This is the military oath of our enlisted service personnel, it varies for Officers.

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
So help me God.

The "military" men and women of the U.S. and coalition forces did their duties without question and hesitation.

What possible reason is great enough for us to send an additional 20,000 more troops to Iraq. U.S. soldiers killing civilians engaged in a civil war does not constitute a military action only a necessity to defend and survive. The soldiers are realizing this. So their opinion, when expressed in a general survey, may have no effect whatsoever, yet it is their right to express such and they do not lose that right because they "volunteered" to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic ...

Civil wars are politically inspired, tragic aftermaths of wars with no end game. This one is no different. That is why we have a Department of State - SO GET TO THE TABLE and end this sh-t and stop playing games with the lives of our military personel.

know1 wrote:

But see....those things like faulty intel do not matter. The nature of joining the military is that you're agreeing to immediately do what your superior(s) ask you to without questioning.

No, they do not. They don't become robots for chrissakes. Taking orders is something we all do, civilian or soldier.

jeffbr wrote:

That's why we use punctuation, and why it is so important.

His quote was "Don't be fooled by that fuckhead". Had he written what you thought you read, it would have been "Don't be fooled by that, fuckhead."

Subtle, but important.

i was merely referring to him calling someone a fuckhead. but, i do see your point as it relates to puncuation