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    spyguy wrote:
    but he really doesnt have any experience. he has never had to make big decisions. he has never managed large groups of people. (sorry running a campaign doesnt count in my book)

    being president, he is going to be faced with some of the biggest decisions that will effect hundreds of millions of people.

    usually when applying for a job, experience is usually the top requirement ya know.

    I happen to think running a campaign is experience in leading a large group of people and making big decisions...so, in my book it counts...

    I wonder, based on you criteria, what sort of "experience" does McCain have...? just curious...

    I understand what president means and that that person needs to make choices that effect millions....for me, mccains first big decision was horrible and does not put "country first"...



    spyguy wrote:
    I like biden. he's a mans man if you will. like I read in another thread about bush...."a guy I'd like to have a beer with"

    just seems slightly hypocritical that he picks someone who is nothing about change. thats all obama has been saying change change change.

    maybe by change he means removing Republicans and adding democrats. technically thats change :)

    I'm confused...do you want experience or change....? you perceive Obama as lacking experience, yet, when he makes a choice to have someone with experience on the ticket, you question it....

    "change" is a hard word to define...now McHouse is using that line...which is funny to me...
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    spyguy wrote:
    but how does he perform under pressure? what direction will he go when/if faced with a crisis? we have no idea. nothing to base it on.
    I'd say he's performed pretty well under pressure. Guy's had some serious shit thrown his way ever since getting the spotlight - and he's dealt with things while working as a local politician in Illinois. It wasn't a small district, by the way - almost half the population of Alaska.
    spyguy wrote:
    right, I mentioned this in a previous post.
    I missed that post. Anyway, what about the rest? The President leads, the Vice President follows. If the ticket were reversed, I could see what you're saying.
  • Posts: 1,293
    spyguy wrote:
    based on what? a good speech at the 04 convention.

    Well, the people have spoken. Their reasons may have been a little more complex and nuanced then liking a speech at a convention. I know mine were.

    Again, you act like Obama has no experience to speak of. Eight years in State Senate, four in the U.S. Senate. That's not counting all the non-legislative experience he's had. I wouldn't ever say that he has more experience than McCain; he doesn't have to, he only needs to have enough experience. I don't say you're wrong for not thinking he has enough experience, but you are wrong if you try to tell us he has NO experience.
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    jdr3777 wrote:
    Also look up Mccain's involvment in the Keaten 5 scandal.Thats another example of poor judgement on Mccain's part.

    if i remember correctly, he was never found guilty of anything. (maybe wrong) also it did happen along time ago. i am sure that you can dig up alot on anyone who has been in the government as long as McCain has.
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    spyguy wrote:
    excellent points about experience. that doesnt always equate to a good thing in washington but I'm more concerned about how he performs under pressure, etc. but good points.


    I guess we won't know how he performs under pressure until at least the debates. As long as they are asked the tough questions it should be a good indicator. If you are worried about that, aren't you worried how Palin would perform under pressure? Let's be honest, McCain is a 72 year old cancer survivor, there's a good chance he wouldn't make it through his first term. More of a chance of that than the absurd assumption that Obama will be assassinated once elected. Our president could be a woman who actually asked what it is that the vice president does everyday.
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    One of the reasons why I decided to supported Obama was i felt that he has good character.Anybody who turns down a cushy 3 figured job as a wall street lawyer and instead takes a job making 10 grand a year as community organizer in my book is alright with me.
    Also read up his background on his days as a community organizer and his days in state senate.His does have a good record of getting things down.
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    spyguy wrote:
    does his lack of experience worry you?

    and also, if he is such an advocate of change, why did he choose the biggest Washington liberal insider next to ted kennedy?


    (before you all flip your lid that I am a war mongering neo-con, I am simply asking a question. I am waiting until after the debates to decide who to vote for but this is a very big concern of mine regarding obama)


    His experience doesn't worry me at all, I welcome that.

    However, you second point...Biden...is exactly what worries me and is why my voe is still undecided...also waiting for the debates.
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    He has had experience. Maybe not as much as McCain, but he's been in the Illinois state legislature for 8 years, and he's been a good senator these past 4 years. I think Palin's had less experience than he has.
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    fugawzi wrote:
    Let's be honest, McCain is a 72 year old cancer survivor, there's a good chance he wouldn't make it through his first term.


    Let's be honest...that's fear mongering. His age is of some concern..but to say there's a good chance he wouldn't make it through his first term is irresponsible.
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    inmytree wrote:
    I happen to think running a campaign is experience in leading a large group of people and making big decisions...so, in my book it counts...

    big decisions? in running a campaign? eh, agree to disagree.
    inmytree wrote:
    I wonder, based on you criteria, what sort of "experience" does McCain have...? just curious...

    life experience for one. but this thread isnt about mccain, start one if you are concerned about his experience.

    inmytree wrote:
    I'm confused...do you want experience or change....?

    you perceive Obama as lacking experience, yet, when he makes a choice to have someone with experience on the ticket, you question it....

    dont be confused. I'm simply questioning obama's words vs actions.
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    cincybearcat wrote:
    His experience doesn't worry me at all, I welcome that.

    why? (you welcome his lack of experience?)

    cincybearcat wrote:
    However, you second point...Biden...is exactly what worries me and is why my voe is still undecided...also waiting for the debates.

    i wish others would too.
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    spyguy wrote:
    but how does he perform under pressure? what direction will he go when/if faced with a crisis? we have no idea. nothing to base it on.
    Hi spyguy,

    Let's not forget that most of the presidents we have elected in recent years have had little experience. We also have not seen much panic, other than perhaps seeing a president decline to interrupt reading a children's book when told we were under attack, then disappearing for a day while the vice president ran the country :rolleyes:

    Maybe Kennedy's willingness to launch a nuclear war over the Cuban missile crisis could perhaps have been due to a lack of experience.... Recent revelations have certainly been shocking... But all in all there has been little evidence of anyone becoming overwhelmed and panicking while they were the leader of our country. Agree?

    I also think that it's interesting, that Obama with one plus years in the Senate has more national political experience than any first term president since 1968, Nixon's first term, with the exception of George H. W. Bush.

    At the end of the day, my thoughts are that whilst it's almost impossible to predict what he will do, the same as it would be for anyone, there is not much risk in choosing a president who has little national political experience.
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    spyguy wrote:
    why? (you welcome his lack of experience?)




    i wish others would too.


    Yes I welcome a lack of Washington political experience. You don't have to understand all the workings of a system you want to change. You have to set a vision for the future, surround yourself with good capable people with high integrity and experts in every area and then delegate down.

    A leader has to know where they want to go, it doesn;t matter where you've been and how things got done in the past. Sometimes knowledge of that holds you back from making the drastic changes necessary...preconceived notions can kill a good idea.
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    spyguy, do you consider eight years in the State Senate and four in the U.S. Senate, excluding all the life experience (that you mentioned as a positive for McCain) as having no experience, because you keep saying Obama has none. And if so, when would he have enough experience for you to feel that he has experience?
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    cincybearcat wrote:
    Let's be honest...that's fear mongering. His age is of some concern..but to say there's a good chance he wouldn't make it through his first term is irresponsible.

    Actually, you're wrong I wasn't fear mongering. If stating facts causes fear then I'm sorry but nothing I said in that sentence wasn't true. The thread starter is concerned about experience. Sarah Palin has next to no experience and it's relevant because McCain is in his 70's and had cancer. He has a better chance of dying in office than Obama. That's just fact. Fear mongering would be the ones who say Obama will be assassinated once elected which I mentioned in that same sentence but you left that part out. I'll take back "good chance" and replace it with "a realistic possibilty" that McCain wouldn't make it through his first term.
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    cincybearcat wrote:
    Yes I welcome a lack of Washington political experience. You don't have to understand all the workings of a system you want to change. You have to set a vision for the future, surround yourself with good capable people with high integrity and experts in every area and then delegate down.

    A leader has to know where they want to go, it doesn;t matter where you've been and how things got done in the past. Sometimes knowledge of that holds you back from making the drastic changes necessary...preconceived notions can kill a good idea.

    good points. I hadn't thought about it this way...


    seeeeeee sometimes open discussions on message boards can help people (me) learn new things and accept different points of view.
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    digster wrote:
    spyguy, do you consider eight years in the State Senate and four in the U.S. Senate, excluding all the life experience (that you mentioned as a positive for McCain) as having no experience, because you keep saying Obama has none. And if so, when would he have enough experience for you to feel that he has experience?

    sure it counts. I probably am underestimating Obama's experience. but as an american, I am going to question these fuckers if they want to represent me :)
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    spyguy wrote:
    sure it counts. I probably am underestimating Obama's experience. but as an american, I am going to question these fuckers if they want to represent me :)


    you're absolutely right, question just about everything. Just make sure that you're questioning all parties involved.
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    spyguy wrote:
    does his lack of experience worry you?
    No. JFK turned out to be one hell of a leader and his experience is comparable to that of Barack Obama.
    spyguy wrote:
    and also, if he is such an advocate of change, why did he choose the biggest Washington liberal insider next to ted kennedy?

    I guess that's just a matter of opinion. I have no problem with Joe Biden. I really wish it would have been Mark Warner or Tim Kaine, but it is what it is. I don't think that takes away from his "change".
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    History has shown that "career politicians" aren't always the best choice.

    FDR, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt all appealed to the people because of their character and insight. They all came to office at tough times and went up against heavy handed Washington opponents.
    Those guys despite having just a few years experience were more "in touch" with what the people wanted.

    So I don't think experience would be at the top of my list of what I want for a president.
    Every day people with more experienced get passed over for promotions in all walks of life for others that have better vision and stronger work ethic.

    It happens when people see potential for moving their company in a new direction.
    Happens every day... Only time will tell if it's the right choice.
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