Question for Obama supports.....
spyguy
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does his lack of experience worry you?
and also, if he is such an advocate of change, why did he choose the biggest Washington liberal insider next to ted kennedy?
(before you all flip your lid that I am a war mongering neo-con, I am simply asking a question. I am waiting until after the debates to decide who to vote for but this is a very big concern of mine regarding obama)
and also, if he is such an advocate of change, why did he choose the biggest Washington liberal insider next to ted kennedy?
(before you all flip your lid that I am a war mongering neo-con, I am simply asking a question. I am waiting until after the debates to decide who to vote for but this is a very big concern of mine regarding obama)
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It doesn't worry me...I happen to think he has some experience and that he's not some random joe shmoe walking off the street....I think he can lead, which is important to me...
as for biden...I really don't know why the chose him...perhaps his foreign policy experience...I like biden...I agree with much of what he says about Irak....I have to ask, what I Obama chose some no-name somebody..? I'd be willing to bet folks with question that choice, too...
On the liberal insider... I don't mind him, and I think wise change has to be about reform, not revolution.
fair points.
With experience..... If you are "entrenched" it seems to me you might be prone to cater to favorites and likewise owe favors to many.
but he really doesnt have any experience. he has never had to make big decisions. he has never managed large groups of people. (sorry running a campaign doesnt count in my book)
being president, he is going to be faced with some of the biggest decisions that will effect hundreds of millions of people.
usually when applying for a job, experience is usually the top requirement ya know.
I like biden. he's a mans man if you will. like I read in another thread about bush...."a guy I'd like to have a beer with"
just seems slightly hypocritical that he picks someone who is nothing about change. thats all obama has been saying change change change.
maybe by change he means removing Republicans and adding democrats. technically thats change
are you serious?
thats true.
Also i think the reason why Obama picked Biden was he better rounded out his candidacy.He's a Foreign policy expert, and hes been the chairman of the foreign Relations committee for years.
He's also a Moderate Democrat.For the last 20 years The republicans have tried to pigeonhole every single democratic senator who's ran for president or vice-president as the most liberal senator.
Aside from the fact that moving in a more liberal direction would be change?
The President leads, the Vice President follows (Bush/Cheney notwithstanding). Joe Biden knows how to get things done in the Senate, and could be a valuable tool in helping push Obama's agenda.
but how does he perform under pressure? what direction will he go when/if faced with a crisis? we have no idea. nothing to base it on.
right, I mentioned this in a previous post.
By that token, McCain should not be president, either; McCain has no executive experience. By your first measure of experience, only Sarah Palin of the four is qualified to be President. I think it's also stretching it to say he doesn't have any experience; he's not a 30 year long U.S. senator, but he has eight years in the State Senate and four in Congress. It's not like he got out of college, worked at Kinko's for a year and then ran for President.
1. The experience issue doesn't usually bother me. Sometimes I get scared, that I'm electing someone who will kill me and my family, and then I realize that the McCain campaign has been extremely effective at trying to scare voters into not voting for Obama; they even had one of his supporters (me) having second thoughts. But then I remember the experience Obama does have, and how well I feel he grasps the issues when hearing him speak about policy. I think of some of my favorite thinkers that he has in his corner, who'd hopefully be a part of his cabinet. And, as the past eight years have shown us, our system is so elaborate and powerful that even the most incompetent man in the Oval Office could not tear the country apart, however hard he may try.
2. Biden; I didn't really think twice about it. I was hoping for Biden because I felt that over time it would soothe the many independents who liked Obama's message but believed he didn't have enough experience. I never thought Obama's mantra of change meant that when you get to washington you exile everyone who's there. I thought it was simply a new approach to doing things. And I guess he found one Washington insider senator who believed in such a thing.
Yeah, Obama's been around Washington he's knows what's happening in the world.
Let me ask you, where you work are you still considered inexperienced after you've been there for 4 years?
What does it mean? I understand the argument that someone that's been there longer might get a promotion before you but does that make them the best choice?
I work for a company that has twice given promotions to people with less experience based on their work ethic.
Is that wrong?
but he doesnt have "plenty of experience" at least clinton was a governor.
fair point. but based on what? his voting record? his age? his part affiliation?
true. but he is the complete opposite of "change" have you seen those obama signs
so do I. should I run for president?
no, depends on the situation.
As for the experience argument, some of the most successful presidents didn't have a great deal of experience. Abraham Lincoln, FDR, JFK, Woodrow Wilson and even Bill Clinton and others. You know who has a lot of experience in Washington? Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. A big resume doesn't necessarily translate to good governing. If we went on experience alone, Palin has next to no experience. A mayor of a town of about 7,000 people? A 2 year governor of the 47th most populated state? At least Obama has served in the senate for about 4 years in a much bigger (in terms of population) state. Check out this website for the breakdown of experienced presidents
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Info/experience.html
I don't see how Biden is a "liberal insider". It sounds like a far right talking point. Why is the word liberal so demonized in this country? I also don't get the notion that someone who has been around for a while can't bring change. Seniority doesn't equate to an extension of the status quo. Biden has been in Washington for many many years, but that doesn't mean he won't bring change.
Like you said, wait until the debates. Especially the VP debate on Oct. 2
thats not true. biden is a lifelong politician, washington insider. as far from change as you can get. I like biden and think he would be a fine president god forbid something happens but thats not my point.
You could, but you probably wouldn't get that many votes. That's something important to consider; that for all our talk about Obama's inexperience, lack of Washington time, age, etc, it wasn't like a small group of people decided he be the nominee. Millions and millions of Democratic voters endorsed him as being capable for the Presidency.
excellent points about experience. that doesnt always equate to a good thing in washington but I'm more concerned about how he performs under pressure, etc. but good points.
based on what? a good speech at the 04 convention.
I happen to think running a campaign is experience in leading a large group of people and making big decisions...so, in my book it counts...
I wonder, based on you criteria, what sort of "experience" does McCain have...? just curious...
I understand what president means and that that person needs to make choices that effect millions....for me, mccains first big decision was horrible and does not put "country first"...
I'm confused...do you want experience or change....? you perceive Obama as lacking experience, yet, when he makes a choice to have someone with experience on the ticket, you question it....
"change" is a hard word to define...now McHouse is using that line...which is funny to me...
I missed that post. Anyway, what about the rest? The President leads, the Vice President follows. If the ticket were reversed, I could see what you're saying.
Well, the people have spoken. Their reasons may have been a little more complex and nuanced then liking a speech at a convention. I know mine were.
Again, you act like Obama has no experience to speak of. Eight years in State Senate, four in the U.S. Senate. That's not counting all the non-legislative experience he's had. I wouldn't ever say that he has more experience than McCain; he doesn't have to, he only needs to have enough experience. I don't say you're wrong for not thinking he has enough experience, but you are wrong if you try to tell us he has NO experience.
if i remember correctly, he was never found guilty of anything. (maybe wrong) also it did happen along time ago. i am sure that you can dig up alot on anyone who has been in the government as long as McCain has.
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
I guess we won't know how he performs under pressure until at least the debates. As long as they are asked the tough questions it should be a good indicator. If you are worried about that, aren't you worried how Palin would perform under pressure? Let's be honest, McCain is a 72 year old cancer survivor, there's a good chance he wouldn't make it through his first term. More of a chance of that than the absurd assumption that Obama will be assassinated once elected. Our president could be a woman who actually asked what it is that the vice president does everyday.
Also read up his background on his days as a community organizer and his days in state senate.His does have a good record of getting things down.
His experience doesn't worry me at all, I welcome that.
However, you second point...Biden...is exactly what worries me and is why my voe is still undecided...also waiting for the debates.
Let's be honest...that's fear mongering. His age is of some concern..but to say there's a good chance he wouldn't make it through his first term is irresponsible.
big decisions? in running a campaign? eh, agree to disagree.
life experience for one. but this thread isnt about mccain, start one if you are concerned about his experience.
dont be confused. I'm simply questioning obama's words vs actions.