The State of the Union...

RolandTD20Kdrummer · January 2008

Bush state of the union fantasy talk...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYvfxvDwJxA

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macgyver06 · January 2008

its funny how quick the people scream of patriotism in time of attack...and than those same people slowly...slowly go back into hiding... come out patriots... the water is just fine.....

Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious - Wilde

so truuuue

bootlegger10 · January 2008

macgyver06 wrote:

anyone wanna take a stab at why the housing market is tanking and why he cant seem to talk about it?

also...

how is he expecting to fund all these research projects and education programs if at the same time he is talking about cutting taxes and while he continues to cut education programs and the college cost for tuition is rising.

it just makes no sense

Reagan decreased taxes and tax revenues went up. Tax cuts spur investment, which will then spur the economy. The economy grows, which means tax revenues grow. Hurting small businesses by raising their taxes will not cause them to employ more people, so it makes sense to make the tax cuts permanent. I have a few tax clients who have already getting ready for the day a Democratic comes into office and does not renew the tax cuts.

The problem is SPENDING. Not tax cuts. The U.S. has one of the highest, if not the highest corporate tax rates in the world. That's right, your Do-No-Wrong Europe does not have tax rates as high as the US. Bush sucked at curbing spending, but taxes is not the problem. It is bailing out people with money that can't help them. You can't teach children without quality parents, no matter how much money you throw at the children. Computers and books won't make them care.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · January 2008

macgyver06 wrote:

its funny how quick the people scream of patriotism in time of attack...and than those same people slowly...slowly go back into hiding... come out patriots... the water is just fine.....

Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious - Wilde

so truuuue

valium in the kool-aid...

bootlegger10 · January 2008

mammasan wrote:

Our own intelligence community has stated that Iran is no longer pursuing a nuclear weapons program. Sowhy are we still harping on Iran and why is he even mentioning Cuba. Could it be that a year ago a huge oil deposit was found off the northern coast of Cuba in the Northern Cuban Basin.

The scary thing is that there is as much an agenda with Bush and Iran as their is with the intelligence community and Iran. I don't know who to believe. I probably don't believe either of them.

freedomboy · January 2008

jlew24asu wrote:

and why is this a problem?

It is a problem because there are programs that need more funding. The tax cuts are going to the wealthy, and the money that we as middle class Americans are getting back DOES NOT work, as far as stimulating the economy goes. It has proven not to work by the last 7 years of Bush's presidency... The economy has gotten progressively worse because of such policies... and by the economy, I mean you and me being able to afford to live.

jlew24asu wrote:

yup

Would you call 80,690 dead Iraqi civilians compassionate?

jlew24asu wrote:

this has to do with the speech how? or maybe you just need a refresher on you ABCs ?

Lol. Stupid AND no sense of humor...

jlew24asu wrote:

Iran funds militia groups against our troops, the fund terrorist groups in palastine and lebanon. they are not 100% honest about their nuke program. give virtually no freedoms to its people.

A. Saying Iran funds militia groups against our troops is like saying The United States promotes pedophilia because there are pedophiles in the country.

B. The Palestinians are NOT terrorists! They are fighting for land THAT BELONGS TO THEM! Land that was progressively taken away from them over time after the Nazi's invaded and a bunch of Fundi Christians decided that the Jews needed to go back to their "promised land".

C. You, or anyone else has NO proof about their nuke program. The president of Iran has no such power, and although he has made wild claims, he can NOT wage war OR authorize the creation of nuclear weapons. He doesn't have the same power our president does.

If we want other countries to end their nuclear programs, maybe we should first.

D. The people are in a fight for a democracy of their own, and have a great chance in winning. If we bomb them into a third world country status, the only people with any power will be the corrupt militia men you speak of. (This is what happened in Afghanistan)...

jlew24asu wrote:

you seem to leave out the part where he tried to reach out to the people of Iran. he, as well as most americans, respect the people. its the dictators at the top are the problem.

George Bush doesn't respect anybody who can't afford his tastes. If you believe otherwise, you truly are a fool. The "dictators at the top" are old hat, and are slowly being whittled away by the youth of the country who are rebelling and demanding better. The U.S. BLOWING THE SHIT OUT OF THEM IS NOT THE ANSWER!

jlew24asu wrote:

no, I'm going to have a more intelligent conversation will my gym socks. you are just broken dave.

Clever, but I think you will find I am a fountain of knowledge... You shouldn't assume I am lacking in education just because my views don't affirm yours. That is true stupidity.

macgyver06 · January 2008

bootlegger10 wrote:

Reagan decreased taxes and tax revenues went up. Tax cuts spur investment, which will then spur the economy. The economy grows, which means tax revenues grow. Hurting small businesses by raising their taxes will not cause them to employ more people, so it makes sense to make the tax cuts permanent. I have a few tax clients who have already getting ready for the day a Democratic comes into office and does not renew the tax cuts.

The problem is SPENDING. Not tax cuts. The U.S. has one of the highest, if not the highest corporate tax rates in the world. That's right, your Do-No-Wrong Europe does not have tax rates as high as the US. Bush sucked at curbing spending, but taxes is not the problem. It is bailing out people with money that can't help them. You can't teach children without quality parents, no matter how much money you throw at the children. Computers and books won't make them care.

this is why i like Mike Gravels plan.. you can eliminate the income tax completely...

the answer is sales tax.

the more you spend...the more taxes you pay.

if someone buys an 800 dollar HP Laptop they pay a considerable lower ratio of taxes to the dollar than someone who buys a 2200 dollar HP Laptop

macgyver06 · January 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

valium in the kool-aid...

you get it

macgyver06 · January 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

valium in the kool-aid...

off topic bbut i saw a cop here in the orlando area today riding up a major road taking down ron paul signs.... at the next intersection there are no signs of any other candidates.... so i was ok with it...thats cool they dont allow any advertisement here...than i looked up and saw a gigantic Republican Radio Station... thought this was funny since ron paul is about as far away from a republican while running as a republican you can get...and you know that talk shows got nothing about him

and there was a huge rudy sign across the street

slightofjeff · January 2008

macgyver06 wrote:

yup yup but i will tell ya what... to make a bush reference....when the world trade centers were attacked... and i got the idea bin laden was funded by someone to carry out these atttacks i wanted to get my hands on him...and the saudi royal family... and i bet the person who atarted this thread feels the same way... so ya.... i am a fucking psycho.

Ok. I get it.

Let me see if I have the official left-wing position down:

Iran, Iraq, Al Qaeda, North Korea, the Taliban, etc etc ... we're supposed to try to sit down at a table and negotiate with.

But Bush, we want to rip out his jugular.

OK, got it.

macgyver06 · January 2008

slightofjeff wrote:

Ok. I get it.

Let me see if I have the official left-wing position down:

Iran, Iraq, Al Qaeda, North Korea, the Taliban, etc etc ... we're supposed to try to sit down at a table and negotiate with.

But Bush, we want to rip out his jugular.

OK, got it.

correct...why do you think we vote to have a new president every 4 years...stops the bloodshed within

slightofjeff · January 2008

macgyver06 wrote:

this is why i like Mike Gravels plan.. you can eliminate the income tax completely...

the answer is sales tax.

the more you spend...the more taxes you pay.

if someone buys an 800 dollar HP Laptop they pay a considerable lower ratio of taxes to the dollar than someone who buys a 2200 dollar HP Laptop

I actually haven't thought much about this, but I do have a serious question about the sales tax plan:

It's probably all well and good while the economy is good and consumers are consuming. But wouldn't it be doubly devastating when the economy goes south? Not only would consumers not consume, it would deprive the government of funds to help folks out.

Just thinking out loud is all ...

slightofjeff · January 2008

macgyver06 wrote:

correct...why do you think we vote to have a new president every 4 years...stops the bloodshed within

OK, I'll admit. I laughed.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · January 2008

macgyver06 wrote:

off topic bbut i saw a cop here in the orlando area today riding up a major road taking down ron paul signs.... at the next intersection there are no signs of any other candidates.... so i was ok with it...thats cool they dont allow any advertisement here...than i looked up and saw a gigantic Republican Radio Station... thought this was funny since ron paul is about as far away from a republican while running as a republican you can get...and you know that talk shows got nothing about him

and there was a huge rudy sign across the street

It's freaky man...the media has fucked up some peoples heads really good.

It's a phenomenon...it's simian in nature....give em a club make em hairer, go back 1 million years and voila...perfect match...hehe

I don't know what it 's going to take. (I do, actually). The media is the water and peoples heads are like sponges. Some sponges hold more water and can't be wrung out to dry as easily on command if you know what I mean

macgyver06 · January 2008

slightofjeff wrote:

I actually haven't thought much about this, but I do have a serious question about the sales tax plan:

It's probably all well and good while the economy is good and consumers are consuming. But wouldn't it be doubly devastating when the economy goes south. Not only would consumers not consume, it would deprive the government of funds to help folks out.

Just thinking out loud is all ...

ive thought about this too...but i think the result of this being the way we gather taxes will result in more fair competition...lower class and middle class citizens in a balanced economy will do what they have always done...look for value.. while the rich who in this country are rich will continue to spend ridiculous amounts of money for things they dont really need....and if they stop doing this....than those products wont exist.... and fidel castro will become increasingly suspicious why an economy is on the rise and people all make different wages.

freedomboy · January 2008

bootlegger10 wrote:

No he doesn't need help. You are terribly disrespectful, and it is obvious that you are an angry, hate-filled person who would be miserably with a great president or bad president. I am sorry you are so angry and immature.

If you think it is obvious that I am hate filled person based on me saying, "FUCK YOU"... then you are truly stupid. The fact that you can't see why I'd be so irreverent when speaking about our President or anyone who supports him makes you a bit of a tool.

So, to sum it up... fuck you.

freedomboy · January 2008

slightofjeff wrote:

Ok. I get it.

Let me see if I have the official left-wing position down:

Iran, Iraq, Al Qaeda, North Korea, the Taliban, etc etc ... we're supposed to try to sit down at a table and negotiate with.

But Bush, we want to rip out his jugular.

OK, got it.

No.

We don't need to "negotiate" with these countries. We need to stop bombing them. We are breeding terrorism by killing countless innocent civilians, or creating collateral damage as we call it...

You see, invading these countries isn't good for you and me... because we pay for it, with our tax dollars, and the lives of our children... but those who benefit are the already powerful and wealthy wage war for no other reason that to advance imperialism and control regions with valuable resources... thus controlling the resources.

As for Bush... He has committed for more horrendous crimes than Saddam Hussein ever did. What is worse, is that he would never admit it. At least Saddam never pretended to be a saint... He should be hanging right now too... Furthermore, blood is on the hands of the entire congress... there are few whom are innocent now. They all should be removed from office, that is for certain.

Before I die, the people will incite such revolutionary ideas... No longer will wealthy people dictate... anything.

jlew24asu · January 2008

brokendave wrote:

It is a problem because there are programs that need more funding. The tax cuts are going to the wealthy, and the money that we as middle class Americans are getting back DOES NOT work, as far as stimulating the economy goes. It has proven not to work by the last 7 years of Bush's presidency... The economy has gotten progressively worse because of such policies... and by the economy, I mean you and me being able to afford to live.

Would you call 80,690 dead Iraqi civilians compassionate?

Lol. Stupid AND no sense of humor...

A. Saying Iran funds militia groups against our troops is like saying The United States promotes pedophilia because there are pedophiles in the country.

B. The Palestinians are NOT terrorists! They are fighting for land THAT BELONGS TO THEM! Land that was progressively taken away from them over time after the Nazi's invaded and a bunch of Fundi Christians decided that the Jews needed to go back to their "promised land".

C. You, or anyone else has NO proof about their nuke program. The president of Iran has no such power, and although he has made wild claims, he can NOT wage war OR authorize the creation of nuclear weapons. He doesn't have the same power our president does.

If we want other countries to end their nuclear programs, maybe we should first.

D. The people are in a fight for a democracy of their own, and have a great chance in winning. If we bomb them into a third world country status, the only people with any power will be the corrupt militia men you speak of. (This is what happened in Afghanistan)...

George Bush doesn't respect anybody who can't afford his tastes. If you believe otherwise, you truly are a fool. The "dictators at the top" are old hat, and are slowly being whittled away by the youth of the country who are rebelling and demanding better. The U.S. BLOWING THE SHIT OUT OF THEM IS NOT THE ANSWER!

Clever, but I think you will find I am a fountain of knowledge... You shouldn't assume I am lacking in education just because my views don't affirm yours. That is true stupidity.

you lost all creditability with the first post in this thread. if you wanted to come across as someone who is intelligent, you could have gone about it many different ways. you failed miserably.

jlew24asu · January 2008

brokendave wrote:

If you think it is obvious that I am hate filled person based on me saying, "FUCK YOU"... then you are truly stupid. The fact that you can't see why I'd be so irreverent when speaking about our President or anyone who supports him makes you a bit of a tool.

So, to sum it up... fuck you.

enjoy your ban. hopefully maturity catches up to you someday. but I really really really doubt it.

slightofjeff · January 2008

brokendave wrote:

No.

We don't need to "negotiate" with these countries. We need to stop bombing them. We are breeding terrorism by killing countless innocent civilians, or creating collateral damage as we call it...

You see, invading these countries isn't good for you and me... because we pay for it, with our tax dollars, and the lives of our children... but those who benefit are the already powerful and wealthy wage war for no other reason that to advance imperialism and control regions with valuable resources... thus controlling the resources.

As for Bush... He has committed for more horrendous crimes than Saddam Hussein ever did. What is worse, is that he would never admit it. At least Saddam never pretended to be a saint... He should be hanging right now too... Furthermore, blood is on the hands of the entire congress... there are few whom are innocent now. They all should be removed from office, that is for certain.

Before I die, the people will incite such revolutionary ideas... No longer will wealthy people dictate... anything.

Wow.

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