Does anyone think this recent terrorist plot allegation sounds suspicious?

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  • ladygooddiva
    ladygooddiva Posts: 4,169
    You'd have to be living in a cave (pardon the pun), to not know the USA Military/Government created, trained, supported and supplied AQ.
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    i think everybody knows that or???it was the CIA
  • Laz
    Laz Posts: 118
    ladygooddiva wrote:
    You'd have to be living in a cave (pardon the pun), to not know the USA Military/Government created, trained, supported and supplied AQ.

    notice that the taliban didn't make my list... yes we all know about the Stinger missiles we supplied to the mujaheddin when they were fighting the Soviet aggression, thank you for the history lesson...

    so because we at one point were supplying these maniacs we should let them get away with whatever they want? or because we supplied them in the past that means that the US will be behind all these incidents? the leap of logic is astounding...
  • ladygooddiva
    ladygooddiva Posts: 4,169
    Laz wrote:
    notice that the taliban didn't make my list... yes we all know about the Stinger missiles we supplied to the mujaheddin when they were fighting the Soviet aggression, thank you for the history lesson...

    so because we at one point were supplying these maniacs we should let them get away with whatever they want? or because we supplied them in the past that means that the US will be behind all these incidents? the leap of logic is astounding...

    of course not but everything is so complicated .and so many countrys are involved (middle east)..and all this stuff ...future past has to be measure before a next step ....etc.

    bec. nobody knows what can happen if somebody do political a wrong step ...
  • aoife
    aoife Posts: 126
    Laz wrote:
    notice that the taliban didn't make my list... yes we all know about the Stinger missiles we supplied to the mujaheddin when they were fighting the Soviet aggression, thank you for the history lesson...

    so because we at one point were supplying these maniacs we should let them get away with whatever they want? or because we supplied them in the past that means that the US will be behind all these incidents? the leap of logic is astounding...
    if you ask me your government are maniacs too and are even bigger terrorists. and the whole concept of a war on terror is absolutely ridiculus, bombing innocent civilians only creates more terrorism as people join the ranks of these terrorist organisations because your government bombed and killed their families.
    "If you remove the English army tomorrow and hoist the green flag over Dublin castle, unless you set about the organisation of the socialist republic then all of your efforts would have been in vain. England will still rule you through her capitalists ,landlords and commercial institutions"
  • Laz
    Laz Posts: 118
    aoife wrote:
    if you ask me your government are maniacs too and are even bigger terrorists. and the whole concept of a war on terror is absolutely ridiculus, bombing innocent civilians only creates more terrorism as people join the ranks of these terrorist organisations because your government bombed and killed their families.

    never claimed that the US government was perfect... I agree the "war on terror" is ridiculous... it should be called the "war on Islamofascists"

    do you honestly believe that if these people (the extremists claiming to be Muslims, there is that PC enough?) are left alone they'll leave us alone? They don't want Israel they want the whole world to be under Islamic Law... if I'm a maniac for not wanting a theocracy call me a maniac...
  • NCfan
    NCfan Posts: 945
    OutOfBreath wrote:
    There probably was something, and they are all milking it like crazy to get the most out of it. How advanced and dangerous the plans were, I dunno. But it sounded like the police knew about these and were keeping an eye on them.

    So it's real, and it's out of proportion. I think both is correct.

    Peace
    Dan

    I would just like to say that I think the media blows everything out of proportion. They do this to gain viewership, readership.... to make $$$.

    I don't think it is George Bush drilling for fear, it's the media drilling for $$$.

    Okay, we gathered the facts from the media. I only really believe something unless it is reported by at least a few sources. I don't need to to watch cable TV for 3 hours as they continuously report the same story as if you would die if you changed the channel.

    They have breaking news tickers up, even if the story broke 24 hours ago. I seriously saw this on Anderson Cooper 360 last night.

    I guess my point is, sure the media blows shit our of proportion. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to understand and weed through to the facts. I have few doubts about the actual facts behind this story.....

    Not everything is a conspiracy.
  • Gary Carter
    Gary Carter Posts: 14,077
    ladygooddiva wrote:
    You'd have to be living in a cave (pardon the pun), to not know the USA Military/Government created, trained, supported and supplied AQ.
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    i think everybody knows that or???it was the CIA
    it was both the great regan and the cia that trained these "terroroist".its funny how all these "terrorist" were once our friends.and where is ubl i thought we were supposed to be finding him
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  • Laz
    Laz Posts: 118
    metsfan531941 wrote:
    it was both the great regan and the cia that trained these "terroroist".its funny how all these "terrorist" were once our friends.and where is ubl i thought we were supposed to be finding him

    I wasn't aware that the military had stopped looking for ubl... again if they were once our 'friends' ,more like people with mutual enemies, then we should just let 9/11 slide and once we know about plots like the one recently uncovered, we should let them carry it out because we once upon a time gave them training?
  • ladygooddiva
    ladygooddiva Posts: 4,169
    metsfan531941 wrote:
    it was both the great regan and the cia that trained these "terroroist".its funny how all these "terrorist" were once our friends.and where is ubl i thought we were supposed to be finding him

    it´s like the friends became enemys .that´s it the ways where once changing
    and we have the dessaster .So acctually the CIA knows some ways or not?
  • Gary Carter
    Gary Carter Posts: 14,077
    Laz wrote:
    I wasn't aware that the military had stopped looking for ubl... again if they were once our 'friends' ,more like people with mutual enemies, then we should just let 9/11 slide and once we know about plots like the one recently uncovered, we should let them carry it out because we once upon a time gave them training?
    i havent heard anything in months about ubl, not even one of those tape recordings of him.no we shouldnt let them carry these plots. what kind of sick person would root for them to carry out these plots
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  • ladygooddiva
    ladygooddiva Posts: 4,169
    what kind of sick person would root for them to carry out these plots

    i think there are a lot of person and while there is no real good points for peace plan in the middle east and no peace in the iraq etc. they will find a lot of person i think...
  • aoife
    aoife Posts: 126
    Laz wrote:
    never claimed that the US government was perfect... I agree the "war on terror" is ridiculous... it should be called the "war on Islamofascists"

    do you honestly believe that if these people (the extremists claiming to be Muslims, there is that PC enough?) are left alone they'll leave us alone? They don't want Israel they want the whole world to be under Islamic Law... if I'm a maniac for not wanting a theocracy call me a maniac...
    and america wants the whole world to be under their control
    "If you remove the English army tomorrow and hoist the green flag over Dublin castle, unless you set about the organisation of the socialist republic then all of your efforts would have been in vain. England will still rule you through her capitalists ,landlords and commercial institutions"
  • Gary Carter
    Gary Carter Posts: 14,077
    ladygooddiva wrote:
    what kind of sick person would root for them to carry out these plots

    i think there are a lot of person and while there is no real good points for peace plan in the middle east and no peace in the iraq etc. they will find a lot of person i think...
    i meant to say people.they root for these attacks to happen cause there brainwashed and have no sense of purpose in life. just like were brainwashed in america to believe that that iraq caused 9-11
    Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
    Sammi: Wanna just break up?

  • aoife
    aoife Posts: 126
    NCfan wrote:
    I would just like to say that I think the media blows everything out of proportion. They do this to gain viewership, readership.... to make $$$.

    I don't think it is George Bush drilling for fear, it's the media drilling for $$$.

    Okay, we gathered the facts from the media. I only really believe something unless it is reported by at least a few sources. I don't need to to watch cable TV for 3 hours as they continuously report the same story as if you would die if you changed the channel.

    They have breaking news tickers up, even if the story broke 24 hours ago. I seriously saw this on Anderson Cooper 360 last night.

    I guess my point is, sure the media blows shit our of proportion. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to understand and weed through to the facts. I have few doubts about the actual facts behind this story.....

    Not everything is a conspiracy.
    i know the media hypes everything up but lots of the time the government is using the media as a tool. im not a conspiracy theorist i genuinely thought that the report and information sounded suspiciously vague and evasive
    "If you remove the English army tomorrow and hoist the green flag over Dublin castle, unless you set about the organisation of the socialist republic then all of your efforts would have been in vain. England will still rule you through her capitalists ,landlords and commercial institutions"
  • ladygooddiva
    ladygooddiva Posts: 4,169
    metsfan531941 wrote:
    i meant to say people.they root for these attacks to happen cause there brainwashed and have no sense of purpose in life. just like were brainwashed in america to believe that that iraq caused 9-11

    off course they are brainwashed from their leaders
    and some don´t see anything else to do than this (palestine for example )
    this is nothing new just the ways how...
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    aoife wrote:
    im not sure they seem to be skimping on detail and instead of telling us the reason it keeps reitterating the point about the terror alert being up to critical. it just looks like they are "drilling for fear", or trying to justify british involvement in Iraq.
    My first thought was that this is all a hoax to promote the Patriot Act and other losses of civil liberties. Dubya's response claiming that Islamic fascists want to take away our freedoms or some goddamn thing really pissed me off. It's very transparent. They stage this bullshit from yesterday and make people fill up dumpsters with all their shit at the airport and we're all scared again and think, "Thank God the president of the united states has taken the thrown and is protecting us all from these "terrorists."" I'm really pissed off at dubya right now and think he's a slimy piece of fucking shit. And even if yesterday's shit was legit, then damn him for all he's done to break my trust.
  • Taft
    Taft Posts: 457
    NCfan wrote:
    I would just like to say that I think the media blows everything out of proportion. They do this to gain viewership, readership.... to make $$$.

    I don't think it is George Bush drilling for fear, it's the media drilling for $$$.

    Okay, we gathered the facts from the media. I only really believe something unless it is reported by at least a few sources. I don't need to to watch cable TV for 3 hours as they continuously report the same story as if you would die if you changed the channel.

    They have breaking news tickers up, even if the story broke 24 hours ago. I seriously saw this on Anderson Cooper 360 last night.

    I guess my point is, sure the media blows shit our of proportion. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to understand and weed through to the facts. I have few doubts about the actual facts behind this story.....

    Not everything is a conspiracy.

    Don't you think the Bush Admin knows the media blows things like this out of proportion? It plays right into their hands. So they feed the media lines like "Mass Murder on an Unimaginable Scale", which they know will play on headlines across the country. Which is hence, "drilling for fear". It works both ways.

    Conspiracy? No. Politics? Yes.
  • Jammin909
    Jammin909 Posts: 888
    aoife wrote:
    and america wants the whole world to be under their control

    I would rather be under America's rule than Ahmadinejad's or Chavez's.
    Taft wrote:
    Don't you think the Bush Admin knows the media blows things like this out of proportion? It plays right into their hands. So they feed the media lines like "Mass Murder on an Unimaginable Scale", which they know will play on headlines across the country. Which is hence, "drilling for fear". It works both ways.

    Conspiracy? No. Politics? Yes.

    Which is why there is so much resentment among some people on this board. The government did their job, thank you- now go back to work.
    The less you know, the more you believe.
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    aoife wrote:
    i know the media hypes everything up but lots of the time the government is using the media as a tool. im not a conspiracy theorist i genuinely thought that the report and information sounded suspiciously vague and evasive

    I believe the gov't controls the media. Ever wonder why we never see the caskets of the soldiers who die in Iraq? Why we never hear personal stories of these soldiers, something that would make the war seem real and personal? It's the gov't that won't let any of this be shown. It's "illegal".

    Plus, this may do wonders for Bush's approval ratings....
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    Jeanwah wrote:
    I believe the gov't controls the media. Ever wonder why we never see the caskets of the soldiers who die in Iraq? Why we never hear personal stories of these soldiers, something that would make the war seem real and personal? It's the gov't that won't let any of this be shown. It's "illegal".

    Plus, this may do wonders for Bush's approval ratings....

    Our PM tried the same tactic recently in Canada....the majority were out-raged and some famalies of the slain were very upset...but if you dont show the populace the reality of war they forget about the reality of war.....

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