what kind of sick person would root for them to carry out these plots
i think there are a lot of person and while there is no real good points for peace plan in the middle east and no peace in the iraq etc. they will find a lot of person i think...
never claimed that the US government was perfect... I agree the "war on terror" is ridiculous... it should be called the "war on Islamofascists"
do you honestly believe that if these people (the extremists claiming to be Muslims, there is that PC enough?) are left alone they'll leave us alone? They don't want Israel they want the whole world to be under Islamic Law... if I'm a maniac for not wanting a theocracy call me a maniac...
and america wants the whole world to be under their control
"If you remove the English army tomorrow and hoist the green flag over Dublin castle, unless you set about the organisation of the socialist republic then all of your efforts would have been in vain. England will still rule you through her capitalists ,landlords and commercial institutions"
what kind of sick person would root for them to carry out these plots
i think there are a lot of person and while there is no real good points for peace plan in the middle east and no peace in the iraq etc. they will find a lot of person i think...
i meant to say people.they root for these attacks to happen cause there brainwashed and have no sense of purpose in life. just like were brainwashed in america to believe that that iraq caused 9-11
Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
I would just like to say that I think the media blows everything out of proportion. They do this to gain viewership, readership.... to make $$$.
I don't think it is George Bush drilling for fear, it's the media drilling for $$$.
Okay, we gathered the facts from the media. I only really believe something unless it is reported by at least a few sources. I don't need to to watch cable TV for 3 hours as they continuously report the same story as if you would die if you changed the channel.
They have breaking news tickers up, even if the story broke 24 hours ago. I seriously saw this on Anderson Cooper 360 last night.
I guess my point is, sure the media blows shit our of proportion. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to understand and weed through to the facts. I have few doubts about the actual facts behind this story.....
Not everything is a conspiracy.
i know the media hypes everything up but lots of the time the government is using the media as a tool. im not a conspiracy theorist i genuinely thought that the report and information sounded suspiciously vague and evasive
"If you remove the English army tomorrow and hoist the green flag over Dublin castle, unless you set about the organisation of the socialist republic then all of your efforts would have been in vain. England will still rule you through her capitalists ,landlords and commercial institutions"
i meant to say people.they root for these attacks to happen cause there brainwashed and have no sense of purpose in life. just like were brainwashed in america to believe that that iraq caused 9-11
off course they are brainwashed from their leaders
and some don´t see anything else to do than this (palestine for example )
this is nothing new just the ways how...
im not sure they seem to be skimping on detail and instead of telling us the reason it keeps reitterating the point about the terror alert being up to critical. it just looks like they are "drilling for fear", or trying to justify british involvement in Iraq.
My first thought was that this is all a hoax to promote the Patriot Act and other losses of civil liberties. Dubya's response claiming that Islamic fascists want to take away our freedoms or some goddamn thing really pissed me off. It's very transparent. They stage this bullshit from yesterday and make people fill up dumpsters with all their shit at the airport and we're all scared again and think, "Thank God the president of the united states has taken the thrown and is protecting us all from these "terrorists."" I'm really pissed off at dubya right now and think he's a slimy piece of fucking shit. And even if yesterday's shit was legit, then damn him for all he's done to break my trust.
I would just like to say that I think the media blows everything out of proportion. They do this to gain viewership, readership.... to make $$$.
I don't think it is George Bush drilling for fear, it's the media drilling for $$$.
Okay, we gathered the facts from the media. I only really believe something unless it is reported by at least a few sources. I don't need to to watch cable TV for 3 hours as they continuously report the same story as if you would die if you changed the channel.
They have breaking news tickers up, even if the story broke 24 hours ago. I seriously saw this on Anderson Cooper 360 last night.
I guess my point is, sure the media blows shit our of proportion. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to understand and weed through to the facts. I have few doubts about the actual facts behind this story.....
Not everything is a conspiracy.
Don't you think the Bush Admin knows the media blows things like this out of proportion? It plays right into their hands. So they feed the media lines like "Mass Murder on an Unimaginable Scale", which they know will play on headlines across the country. Which is hence, "drilling for fear". It works both ways.
Don't you think the Bush Admin knows the media blows things like this out of proportion? It plays right into their hands. So they feed the media lines like "Mass Murder on an Unimaginable Scale", which they know will play on headlines across the country. Which is hence, "drilling for fear". It works both ways.
Conspiracy? No. Politics? Yes.
Which is why there is so much resentment among some people on this board. The government did their job, thank you- now go back to work.
i know the media hypes everything up but lots of the time the government is using the media as a tool. im not a conspiracy theorist i genuinely thought that the report and information sounded suspiciously vague and evasive
I believe the gov't controls the media. Ever wonder why we never see the caskets of the soldiers who die in Iraq? Why we never hear personal stories of these soldiers, something that would make the war seem real and personal? It's the gov't that won't let any of this be shown. It's "illegal".
Plus, this may do wonders for Bush's approval ratings....
I believe the gov't controls the media. Ever wonder why we never see the caskets of the soldiers who die in Iraq? Why we never hear personal stories of these soldiers, something that would make the war seem real and personal? It's the gov't that won't let any of this be shown. It's "illegal".
Plus, this may do wonders for Bush's approval ratings....
Our PM tried the same tactic recently in Canada....the majority were out-raged and some famalies of the slain were very upset...but if you dont show the populace the reality of war they forget about the reality of war.....
Terror fears in Walthamstow
By Dominic Casciani
BBC News community affairs reporter
The local mosque is keeping out the media
There's a photographic exhibition in the centre of Walthamstow town in east London called 1,000 Faces, celebrating the area's apparently happy and peacefully co-existing diversity.
That was not what the media lens came to focus upon on Friday, 11 August. Instead, the world's attention was a mile away at the other end of the town where a number of homes raided the day before by anti-terrorism police remained under guard.
And all around those homes there was an apprehensive, scared Muslim community.
For four years we've been seeing more and more innocent people being harassed and demonised
Fahad Ansari, Islamic Human Rights Commission
Fears of threat to Muslims
At the Darussalam bookshop, owner Zia Ullah said he was in complete shock at what had happened - and that he urged any young man bent on violence to come and talk to people who understand the faith.
"I just don't know who would do this kind of thing," said Mr Ullah. "I just cannot understand how anyone could think there is justification for acts against our society, against our community and against our country."
Near to the till in his packed bookshop, Mr Ullah stocks a pamphlet by an Islamic scholar which gives answers to some very pertinent questions: Is bombing and "wreaking havoc" justifiable?
Its 26 pages are dense, hard-going Islamic scripture - but the message is there; these are "shameful acts" that have no justification in Islam.
"I have stocked this book for two years and sold hundreds of copies," says Mr Ullah. "Perhaps 1,000 copies. All sorts of people buy it, young and old, men and women.
"I think the problem is that if you don't understand your faith, if you don't read it properly, you will only end up picking and choosing certain elements. And that is how these young men [involved in extremism] become misled. They need to understand the truth."
Truth and rumour
One person in Walthamstow says he knows the truth - the truth as he sees it about his friend Waheed Zaman, one of those arrested.
If he had been radicalised, if he had got involved in some kind of extremism, he would have tried to take me with him surely?
Hanif, "best friend" of Waheed Zaman
Mr Zaman is a student at London Metropolitan University - but Hanif, 24, who was too scared to give his real name, said that he was utterly stunned at what had happened.
Hanif and Waheed grew up together in Walthamstow and attended the same schools. They played football and cricket - although cricket very badly, said Hanif. Waheed has always been a "sociable, integrated kind of guy" with friends from Asian, white and black backgrounds.
Like many local young men, Waheed attended mosque but also was involved in local Tablighi Jamaat gatherings, said his friend.
Tablighi is an influential strand of Islam in Britain that organises missionary-style work among young people. It is socially conservative and tries to steer followers away from what it largely regards as the excesses of western life: pop music, for instance, is very much frowned upon.
But according to Hanif, Waheed is anything but socially conservative - he had texted his mate the night before the arrest suggesting they go out eating the next day.
"I think they have got it wrong and Waheed has been picked up because he is involved in the student society at university," said Hanif.
"When he gets released, he is going to have a field day, an absolute field day - he's not like a lot of us - he is eloquent and intelligent and will speak out."
Why couldn't his friend be involved in a plot?
"Because if Waheed was involved I would know. Best friends tell each other things that you would never tell your mum and dad. If he had been radicalised, if he had got involved in some kind of extremism, he would have tried to take me with him surely?"
'Happy, multicultural area'
That sense of shock was shared by others in the area, including Derek Steward, a former teacher and cricket coach who lives locally and remembers Waheed as a pupil.
Derek Steward taught "able student" Waheed Zaman
"He was very good," said Mr Steward. "He was a very able student - although not so good at cricket. I'm shattered by what we have heard because he is just a very nice kid. I've taught for 48 years and he would be one I would remember as a good kid.
"This is a very multicultural area and we all get along. I've never really come across anything that I would characterise as either racist, fundamentalist or seeking to create opposing factions in the community. It's just not that kind of area."
Outside of the Masjid-e-Umer mosque in Queen's Road, the mood was far more sombre.
The mosque sits directly opposite one of the homes raided by police officers, two of whom remained on guard as local men came to pray.
Few of the men (there were no women going to pray) were prepared to speak about what had happened. The mosque's Imam Shoaib read a statement stressing that it believed the men were innocent until proven guilty.
But little else was said by the elders who looked nervous, if not angry, when approached by reporters.
Among the young men who had gathered for Friday prayers, it was a different story.
Foreign policy blamed
Many were quick to express their frustration - not just at the arrests and a sense of being targeted, but also at what they saw as to blame: foreign policy.
Iraq was never far from the lips of people asked their grievances.
While the real local problems may be poverty, education or unemployment, it was Britain's perceived role in the US's Middle East policy that made people angry.
This frustration came to the surface at the last local elections when the Respect Party, founded by ex-Labour MP George Galloway, garnered 1,000 votes split between two candidates. Ask many Muslims in the area who they would vote for, if they voted, and they say Respect.
"Muslims are getting it everywhere and if you want to know why these things happen then you've got to ask yourselves questions about why Britain is fighting in Muslim lands," said one young well-mannered man.
"Nobody is speaking out about these things. Our parents are too scared to speak out - they think they'll all get arrested and thrown out the country. We're British, this is my country - it raised and fed me - so it's time we spoke out. "
Ali, another young man leaving prayers, got approving nods when he suggested things were not as they seemed.
"There are always extremists in any society - just look at the IRA," he said. "But this is different. People are getting arrested and taken away and then released because the allegations are not true.
"These are people I know - when I hear what they are supposed to have done, I don't believe it. All we're all doing is trying to deal the growing pains of life, of families, of study."
I would rather be under America's rule than Ahmadinejad's or Chavez's.
Which is why there is so much resentment among some people on this board. The government did their job, thank you- now go back to work.
either would make me physically sick
"If you remove the English army tomorrow and hoist the green flag over Dublin castle, unless you set about the organisation of the socialist republic then all of your efforts would have been in vain. England will still rule you through her capitalists ,landlords and commercial institutions"
Our PM tried the same tactic recently in Canada....the majority were out-raged and some famalies of the slain were very upset...but if you dont show the populace the reality of war they forget about the reality of war.....
Exactly! If you don't see the remnants of war, it gives the feeling as if it's not all that bad. It keeps those who are led by blind-faith in place, and those who just don't pay attention, thinking that things aren't all that bad. Out of sight, out of mind. It kinda makes me sick that Americans aren't more pissed about the fact that the gov't plays one over on us so easily. That's why I think the media...ALL Media in this country is controlled. Hear that everyone? We're not getting all the facts from news sources!!!
im not sure they seem to be skimping on detail and instead of telling us the reason it keeps reitterating the point about the terror alert being up to critical. it just looks like they are "drilling for fear", or trying to justify british involvement in Iraq.
I am already glad to find such a threat.
I was wondering about exactly this.
...by now some more days have passed and now I think there is a truth in the alert, but on the other hand,
the media and politicians indeed does drill for fear.
..and that scares me.
The whole thing about terror is so big in the news,
so no room is left for a larger or just a different picture anymore.
I wonder now why we discuss all details about a planned attack on western ground over and over again,
when there are tens of attacks every day on eastern ground, made by the east AND west.
to me, the media has no middle anymore. one news haunts the next, but if there is a terror attack on western ground, we hear or read nothing else different anymore for a long time...
...so truth or no truth it is not the matter to me,
as it is all some sort of brain washing those days...
there is no way to peace, peace is the way!
...the world is come undone, I like to change it everyday but change don't come at once, it's a wave, building before it breaks.
Terror fears in Walthamstow
By Dominic Casciani
BBC News community affairs reporter
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...thanks alot for again showing the other side of the coin.
wow, great read, interesting things to think about
thank you!!!
there is no way to peace, peace is the way!
...the world is come undone, I like to change it everyday but change don't come at once, it's a wave, building before it breaks.
"The announcement on August 10 by the British Home Office of a foiled large scale terror attack to simultaneously blow up as many as ten airplanes, conveys the impression that it is the Western World rather than the Middle East which is under attack.
Realities are twisted upside down. The disinformation campaign has gone into full gear. The British and US media are increasingly pointing towards “preemptive war” as an act of “self defense” against Al Qaeda and the State sponsors of terrorism, who are allegedly preparing a Second 911."
"The announcement on August 10 by the British Home Office of a foiled large scale terror attack to simultaneously blow up as many as ten airplanes, conveys the impression that it is the Western World rather than the Middle East which is under attack.
Are these mutually exclusive? Are the guerillanews people without the capacity to understand that attacks on both the middle east and west are possible? Would blowing up UK originating US bound planes not constitute an attack on the west? Amazing lack of insight.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Saw something funny today on the news...on CBC this morning they had a lead investigator who did the work from Pakistan and he himslef is from Pakistan...he was getting praises from the journalist...then asked about relations to Al Queda he said there is no connection what so ever...just a group of nuts trying to blow up planes...what made me laugh is when they asked this he went on a tanget discussing Al Queda as being American made (you CIA trained to fight the Russians which we know as fact)...and the journalist just cut him and left him hanging....that really bugs me....hell the guy stopped this alleged attack yet they pull the plug on him when he begins discussion of Al Queda....made me laugh because I always tried to defend Canadian media jsut realized they are useless as well and trying iterate one side of the story....
Funny going from praises to off the air as soon as he goes on about a truth.....disappointed in my country's media.....and it made laugh....
The reality is that the American public cannot be permitted to connect the dots, Rockin'. Sure, we trained Bin Ladin and his then so-called "militants". We hailed them as the great resistance 20 years ago. we even used them in the first Gulf war to do the things that we just won't admit to doing....the same kinds of things they're doing to us now.
We knew where the camps in Afghanistan were, because we built them. That's not really news to anyone who has paid attention here, but most people haven't paid attention in America. See...20 years ago, none of this mattered to the average American because it never made it to our front door. 9/11 changed that. The Reagan Administration never anticipated that the people they were training in the ME to carry out American-sponsored terro acts would some day turn on us. I am sure of that. However, the same people who made these extraordinary miscalculations (Donald Rumsfeld chief among them) are in power again via the Bush Administration. Look at the braintrust of this Administration...a lot of 60-somethings in the mix...out-dated people with out-dated global ideology, who will stop at nothing to forward their own rose-colored vision of the world. All are social elites who will not have to deal with the aftermath of what they are doing to us.
The reality is that the American public cannot be permitted to connect the dots, Rockin'. Sure, we trained Bin Ladin and his then so-called "militants". We hailed them as the great resistance 20 years ago. we even used them in the first Gulf war to do the things that we just won't admit to doing....the same kinds of things they're doing to us now.
We knew where the camps in Afghanistan were, because we built them. That's not really news to anyone who has paid attention here, but most people haven't paid attention in America. See...20 years ago, none of this mattered to the average American because it never made it to our front door. 9/11 changed that. The Reagan Administration never anticipated that the people they were training in the ME to carry out American-sponsored terro acts would some day turn on us. I am sure of that. However, the same people who made these extraordinary miscalculations (Donald Rumsfeld chief among them) are in power again via the Bush Administration. Look at the braintrust of this Administration...a lot of 60-somethings in the mix...out-dated people with out-dated global ideology, who will stop at nothing to forward their own rose-colored vision of the world. All are social elites who will not have to deal with the aftermath of what they are doing to us.
lol...kinda of like the guys who wish they were still in high school....just can't give up the "glory days".....
lol...kinda of like the guys who wish they were still in high school....just can't give up the "glory days".....
Something like that...each of them with the net worth of a small island nation though. We're talking about people who could buy and sell joe Average American 100 times over. Ones perception of reality changes when one is interested only in growing their multi-million dollar portfolio. The price of gas per gallon does not harm these individuals. They are shareholders in the companies that are making record profits...and not a few hundred or a few thousand shares like you or I...several thousand shares. Some of them are even on the board of directors for the companies that are making record profits. you don't get those jobs because somebody likes you. You get 'em because you control the money, or have enough influence in the market or supply chain to have a profound impact on the corporation.
Hezbollah is not a terror organization. This is complete bullshit and total propaganda. I would be stunned to learn that this is in fact true.
ya they are freedom fighters
"If you remove the English army tomorrow and hoist the green flag over Dublin castle, unless you set about the organisation of the socialist republic then all of your efforts would have been in vain. England will still rule you through her capitalists ,landlords and commercial institutions"
..to me in some ways there are! Not that I support them,
I do not support any aggressive organization or country that still tortures the world with WAR,
but they are not a terrorist group but do fight officially for freedom in Libanon and for this region,
a freedom to be muslim, a freedom to run their country their way,
a freedom outside of the western colonialisation (please excuse my spelling)
... and to me the deeper reason for their aggressivness is somewhat understood.
so yeah, to sum up, they are freedom fighters
...but the tricky point for all those troubles and bloody chaos is the word: FIGHTERS...
there is no way to peace, peace is the way!
...the world is come undone, I like to change it everyday but change don't come at once, it's a wave, building before it breaks.
Are these mutually exclusive? Are the guerillanews people without the capacity to understand that attacks on both the middle east and west are possible? Would blowing up UK originating US bound planes not constitute an attack on the west? Amazing lack of insight.
There are questions about 9/11.
Amazing similarities between the London bombings and the Spain subway bombings.
Convenient timing on arrests made in London, which they claim are linked to Hizbollah.
All of these so called terror attacks and plots do 2 things for Gov'ts-they allow them to gain more power over their own citizens as well as gain consent from the people to start a war. So I question the idea that terrorists are even behind most of these event.
..to me in some ways there are! Not that I support them,
I do not support any aggressive organization or country that still tortures the world with WAR,
but they are not a terrorist group but do fight officially for freedom in Libanon and for this region,
a freedom to be muslim, a freedom to run their country their way,
a freedom outside of the western colonialisation (please excuse my spelling)
... and to me the deeper reason for their aggressivness is somewhat understood.
so yeah, to sum up, they are freedom fighters
...but the tricky point for all those troubles and bloody chaos is the word: FIGHTERS...
That post has no basis in reality. They aren't a terrorist group??? What "freedom" are they fighting for? Israel left Lebanon six years ago.
That post has no basis in reality. They aren't a terrorist group??? What "freedom" are they fighting for? Israel left Lebanon six years ago.
the leave it but it takes time ...
Lebanon was for one year the only democratic area but israel smadhed it
this is the way i see it
but don´t take me wrong i what people do on both side i see it wrong
it is an dessaster allready ...
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i think there are a lot of person and while there is no real good points for peace plan in the middle east and no peace in the iraq etc. they will find a lot of person i think...
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
off course they are brainwashed from their leaders
and some don´t see anything else to do than this (palestine for example )
this is nothing new just the ways how...
Don't you think the Bush Admin knows the media blows things like this out of proportion? It plays right into their hands. So they feed the media lines like "Mass Murder on an Unimaginable Scale", which they know will play on headlines across the country. Which is hence, "drilling for fear". It works both ways.
Conspiracy? No. Politics? Yes.
I would rather be under America's rule than Ahmadinejad's or Chavez's.
Which is why there is so much resentment among some people on this board. The government did their job, thank you- now go back to work.
I believe the gov't controls the media. Ever wonder why we never see the caskets of the soldiers who die in Iraq? Why we never hear personal stories of these soldiers, something that would make the war seem real and personal? It's the gov't that won't let any of this be shown. It's "illegal".
Plus, this may do wonders for Bush's approval ratings....
Our PM tried the same tactic recently in Canada....the majority were out-raged and some famalies of the slain were very upset...but if you dont show the populace the reality of war they forget about the reality of war.....
By Dominic Casciani
BBC News community affairs reporter
The local mosque is keeping out the media
There's a photographic exhibition in the centre of Walthamstow town in east London called 1,000 Faces, celebrating the area's apparently happy and peacefully co-existing diversity.
That was not what the media lens came to focus upon on Friday, 11 August. Instead, the world's attention was a mile away at the other end of the town where a number of homes raided the day before by anti-terrorism police remained under guard.
And all around those homes there was an apprehensive, scared Muslim community.
For four years we've been seeing more and more innocent people being harassed and demonised
Fahad Ansari, Islamic Human Rights Commission
Fears of threat to Muslims
At the Darussalam bookshop, owner Zia Ullah said he was in complete shock at what had happened - and that he urged any young man bent on violence to come and talk to people who understand the faith.
"I just don't know who would do this kind of thing," said Mr Ullah. "I just cannot understand how anyone could think there is justification for acts against our society, against our community and against our country."
Near to the till in his packed bookshop, Mr Ullah stocks a pamphlet by an Islamic scholar which gives answers to some very pertinent questions: Is bombing and "wreaking havoc" justifiable?
Its 26 pages are dense, hard-going Islamic scripture - but the message is there; these are "shameful acts" that have no justification in Islam.
"I have stocked this book for two years and sold hundreds of copies," says Mr Ullah. "Perhaps 1,000 copies. All sorts of people buy it, young and old, men and women.
"I think the problem is that if you don't understand your faith, if you don't read it properly, you will only end up picking and choosing certain elements. And that is how these young men [involved in extremism] become misled. They need to understand the truth."
Truth and rumour
One person in Walthamstow says he knows the truth - the truth as he sees it about his friend Waheed Zaman, one of those arrested.
If he had been radicalised, if he had got involved in some kind of extremism, he would have tried to take me with him surely?
Hanif, "best friend" of Waheed Zaman
Mr Zaman is a student at London Metropolitan University - but Hanif, 24, who was too scared to give his real name, said that he was utterly stunned at what had happened.
Hanif and Waheed grew up together in Walthamstow and attended the same schools. They played football and cricket - although cricket very badly, said Hanif. Waheed has always been a "sociable, integrated kind of guy" with friends from Asian, white and black backgrounds.
Like many local young men, Waheed attended mosque but also was involved in local Tablighi Jamaat gatherings, said his friend.
Tablighi is an influential strand of Islam in Britain that organises missionary-style work among young people. It is socially conservative and tries to steer followers away from what it largely regards as the excesses of western life: pop music, for instance, is very much frowned upon.
But according to Hanif, Waheed is anything but socially conservative - he had texted his mate the night before the arrest suggesting they go out eating the next day.
"I think they have got it wrong and Waheed has been picked up because he is involved in the student society at university," said Hanif.
"When he gets released, he is going to have a field day, an absolute field day - he's not like a lot of us - he is eloquent and intelligent and will speak out."
Why couldn't his friend be involved in a plot?
"Because if Waheed was involved I would know. Best friends tell each other things that you would never tell your mum and dad. If he had been radicalised, if he had got involved in some kind of extremism, he would have tried to take me with him surely?"
'Happy, multicultural area'
That sense of shock was shared by others in the area, including Derek Steward, a former teacher and cricket coach who lives locally and remembers Waheed as a pupil.
Derek Steward taught "able student" Waheed Zaman
"He was very good," said Mr Steward. "He was a very able student - although not so good at cricket. I'm shattered by what we have heard because he is just a very nice kid. I've taught for 48 years and he would be one I would remember as a good kid.
"This is a very multicultural area and we all get along. I've never really come across anything that I would characterise as either racist, fundamentalist or seeking to create opposing factions in the community. It's just not that kind of area."
Outside of the Masjid-e-Umer mosque in Queen's Road, the mood was far more sombre.
The mosque sits directly opposite one of the homes raided by police officers, two of whom remained on guard as local men came to pray.
Few of the men (there were no women going to pray) were prepared to speak about what had happened. The mosque's Imam Shoaib read a statement stressing that it believed the men were innocent until proven guilty.
But little else was said by the elders who looked nervous, if not angry, when approached by reporters.
Among the young men who had gathered for Friday prayers, it was a different story.
Foreign policy blamed
Many were quick to express their frustration - not just at the arrests and a sense of being targeted, but also at what they saw as to blame: foreign policy.
Iraq was never far from the lips of people asked their grievances.
While the real local problems may be poverty, education or unemployment, it was Britain's perceived role in the US's Middle East policy that made people angry.
This frustration came to the surface at the last local elections when the Respect Party, founded by ex-Labour MP George Galloway, garnered 1,000 votes split between two candidates. Ask many Muslims in the area who they would vote for, if they voted, and they say Respect.
"Muslims are getting it everywhere and if you want to know why these things happen then you've got to ask yourselves questions about why Britain is fighting in Muslim lands," said one young well-mannered man.
"Nobody is speaking out about these things. Our parents are too scared to speak out - they think they'll all get arrested and thrown out the country. We're British, this is my country - it raised and fed me - so it's time we spoke out. "
Ali, another young man leaving prayers, got approving nods when he suggested things were not as they seemed.
"There are always extremists in any society - just look at the IRA," he said. "But this is different. People are getting arrested and taken away and then released because the allegations are not true.
"These are people I know - when I hear what they are supposed to have done, I don't believe it. All we're all doing is trying to deal the growing pains of life, of families, of study."
Exactly! If you don't see the remnants of war, it gives the feeling as if it's not all that bad. It keeps those who are led by blind-faith in place, and those who just don't pay attention, thinking that things aren't all that bad. Out of sight, out of mind. It kinda makes me sick that Americans aren't more pissed about the fact that the gov't plays one over on us so easily. That's why I think the media...ALL Media in this country is controlled. Hear that everyone? We're not getting all the facts from news sources!!!
I am already glad to find such a threat.
I was wondering about exactly this.
...by now some more days have passed and now I think there is a truth in the alert, but on the other hand,
the media and politicians indeed does drill for fear.
..and that scares me.
The whole thing about terror is so big in the news,
so no room is left for a larger or just a different picture anymore.
I wonder now why we discuss all details about a planned attack on western ground over and over again,
when there are tens of attacks every day on eastern ground, made by the east AND west.
to me, the media has no middle anymore. one news haunts the next, but if there is a terror attack on western ground, we hear or read nothing else different anymore for a long time...
...so truth or no truth it is not the matter to me,
as it is all some sort of brain washing those days...
...the world is come undone, I like to change it everyday but change don't come at once, it's a wave, building before it breaks.
...thanks alot for again showing the other side of the coin.
wow, great read, interesting things to think about
thank you!!!
...the world is come undone, I like to change it everyday but change don't come at once, it's a wave, building before it breaks.
How convenient.
Realities are twisted upside down. The disinformation campaign has gone into full gear. The British and US media are increasingly pointing towards “preemptive war” as an act of “self defense” against Al Qaeda and the State sponsors of terrorism, who are allegedly preparing a Second 911."
http://www.guerrillanews.com/headlines/10474/The_Pentagon_s_Second_911
Are these mutually exclusive? Are the guerillanews people without the capacity to understand that attacks on both the middle east and west are possible? Would blowing up UK originating US bound planes not constitute an attack on the west? Amazing lack of insight.
Hezbollah is not a terror organization. This is complete bullshit and total propaganda. I would be stunned to learn that this is in fact true.
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The reality is that the American public cannot be permitted to connect the dots, Rockin'. Sure, we trained Bin Ladin and his then so-called "militants". We hailed them as the great resistance 20 years ago. we even used them in the first Gulf war to do the things that we just won't admit to doing....the same kinds of things they're doing to us now.
We knew where the camps in Afghanistan were, because we built them. That's not really news to anyone who has paid attention here, but most people haven't paid attention in America. See...20 years ago, none of this mattered to the average American because it never made it to our front door. 9/11 changed that. The Reagan Administration never anticipated that the people they were training in the ME to carry out American-sponsored terro acts would some day turn on us. I am sure of that. However, the same people who made these extraordinary miscalculations (Donald Rumsfeld chief among them) are in power again via the Bush Administration. Look at the braintrust of this Administration...a lot of 60-somethings in the mix...out-dated people with out-dated global ideology, who will stop at nothing to forward their own rose-colored vision of the world. All are social elites who will not have to deal with the aftermath of what they are doing to us.
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lol...kinda of like the guys who wish they were still in high school....just can't give up the "glory days".....
Something like that...each of them with the net worth of a small island nation though. We're talking about people who could buy and sell joe Average American 100 times over. Ones perception of reality changes when one is interested only in growing their multi-million dollar portfolio. The price of gas per gallon does not harm these individuals. They are shareholders in the companies that are making record profits...and not a few hundred or a few thousand shares like you or I...several thousand shares. Some of them are even on the board of directors for the companies that are making record profits. you don't get those jobs because somebody likes you. You get 'em because you control the money, or have enough influence in the market or supply chain to have a profound impact on the corporation.
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..to me in some ways there are! Not that I support them,
I do not support any aggressive organization or country that still tortures the world with WAR,
but they are not a terrorist group but do fight officially for freedom in Libanon and for this region,
a freedom to be muslim, a freedom to run their country their way,
a freedom outside of the western colonialisation (please excuse my spelling)
... and to me the deeper reason for their aggressivness is somewhat understood.
so yeah, to sum up, they are freedom fighters
...but the tricky point for all those troubles and bloody chaos is the word: FIGHTERS...
...the world is come undone, I like to change it everyday but change don't come at once, it's a wave, building before it breaks.
There are questions about 9/11.
Amazing similarities between the London bombings and the Spain subway bombings.
Convenient timing on arrests made in London, which they claim are linked to Hizbollah.
All of these so called terror attacks and plots do 2 things for Gov'ts-they allow them to gain more power over their own citizens as well as gain consent from the people to start a war. So I question the idea that terrorists are even behind most of these event.
That post has no basis in reality. They aren't a terrorist group??? What "freedom" are they fighting for? Israel left Lebanon six years ago.
the leave it but it takes time ...
Lebanon was for one year the only democratic area but israel smadhed it
this is the way i see it
but don´t take me wrong i what people do on both side i see it wrong
it is an dessaster allready ...