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  • Specifics
    Specifics Posts: 417
    69charger wrote:
    Slap yourself with a feather at 500mph and let me know how that turns out for you.

    Basic physics at work here.

    Yes it is basic, its not going to hurt, a feather wouldnt even survive travelling that fast without bending and snapping all over, it was just an opposite to you're statement about water. The coke can anology was more relevant.
  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    Specifics wrote:
    Yes it is basic, its not going to hurt, a feather wouldnt even survive travelling that fast without bending and snapping all over, it was just an opposite to you're statement about water. The coke can anology was more relevant.

    If you believe a feather hitting you at 500mph isn't going to hurt than you have no concept of even the most basic laws of physics. (I'm assuming we are talking about a primary flight type of feather here)

    It will pass directly through your head! I suppose we can debate if that would hurt. Would you feel pain or just die before you could?

    This is what can happen when a piece of straw is travelling at around 300mph.

    http://atmosphericwildlife.com/chases/1998/images/straw.JPG

    Think again.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    So they had no idea 9/11 would happen?

    It just was all just such a huge surprise you know... ;)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvFWQC0nGYk&mode=related&search=
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  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    So they had no idea 9/11 would happen?

    It just was all just such a huge surprise you know... ;)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvFWQC0nGYk&mode=related&search=

    There's a major difference between knowing it could happen and knowing it would happen.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    69charger wrote:
    There's a major difference between knowing it could happen and knowing it would happen.

    Hows about knowing it while it was happening? :rolleyes:

    Oh yeah....we were busy reading children's books...glazed over and unconcerned.

    All the while Cheney's all warm and cozy in the bunker "dealing with" with the attack order.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    lol...

    Bush is already talking about invading Iraq and WMD back in Jan 16, 2000. pre-election and pre 9/11.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjyz-XaeTUo

    Powell and Condi speak about Iraq in Feb and July 2001 respectively:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1X-I-38lrU
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    onelongsong wrote:
    and the possability of attacks being carried out with biologicals; chemical weapons; dirty bombs which could leave an area barron for hundreds of years; truck bombs (like blowing up hoover dam, etc) and all types of weapons and possabilities. why doesn't the whitehouse evacuate the entire country until all threats have been dealt with.
    you people make me laugh.

    Huh? The point was: they are trained and prepared for these types of things so the delay in intercepting those planes that day makes no sense. Please try to contain your laughter long enough to follow along.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • sonicreducer
    sonicreducer Posts: 713
    MakingWaves wrote:
    No President will go under oath to testify if they don't have to. It isn't just this administration. That is just the way it is.

    And yes how many people have read all the reports. The NIST reports would be a good place for people like you to start. But again, probably too much fact in these for you to believe it.

    then every president has something to hide. that doesn't make it right and that is a weak excuse. especially when they failed us so miserably on that day.

    i have read parts of the commission report and a lot of the NIST report.

    also, what is up with the personal attack man? can you please find any post i've made with a closed mind? and i've read plenty of facts. i lean more towards the conspiracy side, but that doesn't mean im a fucking idiot. if you go directly with the official explanation, your story has plenty of holes in it.

    and NIST still isn't finished with wtc 7,...

    http://wtc.nist.gov/media/WTC7_Approach_Summary12Dec06.pdf

    slide 7 mentions thermite as a possible source. there must be sufficient evidence for NIST to be exploring it.
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  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    Heres something to blow your mind.... I haven't seen anyone talk about the put options. here ya go. Try to purchase some stock, or some futures, a mutual fund or some put options, without providing your identity. Go ahead and try it! See if you get anywhere. Find out what happens when you tell the investment firm that you want to make a huge investment anonymously. It can’t be done.
    Then ask yourself this question: How could someone have placed anonymous put options on American Airlines and United Airlines just prior to the attacks of 9/11? Then ask yourself why no one has investigated this suspicious deal. Ask yourself why there has been no attempt by the US government to identify the person who anticipated huge profits from a disaster that was yet to occur.
    there ya go.....
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    sonicreducer wrote:
    then every president has something to hide. that doesn't make it right and that is a weak excuse. especially when they failed us so miserably on that day.

    Or maybe it is part of the separation of powers. The point is, this shouldn't be the basis for any of your theories of a coverup. There is no precedent for any sitting president to testify under oath in front of a congressional commission in open session. This is not news.
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  • sonicreducer
    sonicreducer Posts: 713
    jeffbr wrote:
    Or maybe it is part of the separation of powers. The point is, this shouldn't be the basis for any of your theories of a coverup. There is no precedent for any sitting president to testify under oath in front of a congressional commission in open session. This is not news.

    it is not the basis for any of my theories. it is only something that makes me sick to my stomach. i don't understand why no one was held responsible for letting the attacks happen. they were warned. don't give me that FBI gets 10,000 tips a day bs,... there were specific warnings. it is so funny how the administration plays the 'we never imagined it could happen' card on tv. if they had no idea, then why were there several training exercises regarding that exact thing on 9/11? 50 minutes to respond, yet we couldn't protect the pentagon,... how much money has been spent on fixing the problem? have you seen this?

    http://www.9-11pdp.org/press/2005-12-05_summary.pdf

    how much progess since 2005?
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  • sonicreducer
    sonicreducer Posts: 713
    HeidiJam wrote:
    Heres something to blow your mind.... I haven't seen anyone talk about the put options. here ya go. Try to purchase some stock, or some futures, a mutual fund or some put options, without providing your identity. Go ahead and try it! See if you get anywhere. Find out what happens when you tell the investment firm that you want to make a huge investment anonymously. It can’t be done.
    Then ask yourself this question: How could someone have placed anonymous put options on American Airlines and United Airlines just prior to the attacks of 9/11? Then ask yourself why no one has investigated this suspicious deal. Ask yourself why there has been no attempt by the US government to identify the person who anticipated huge profits from a disaster that was yet to occur.
    there ya go.....

    i can't find good sources to research the put options. and i can't find it in the commission report. i heard that in the report it mentions it briefly and that they found no evidence indicating a connection or prior knowledge. it sounds like BS to me, but i need to research it more,...
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    "Nobody could envision flying airplanes into buildings"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCjbmImBa6w

    warm up the boat everybody, were all sleeping together on the water tonight!!!

    ...and don't forget to calibrate those surface to air missiles on the rooftop to help us sleep! ;)

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Official FBI website most wanted list

    Osama Bin Laden:
    http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

    That's funny....it says nothing at all about 9/11 ?!?!?

    lies...lies...more lies...

    rise and shine...
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    David Ray Griffin, 9/11 Lecture, Copenhagen September 14. 2006

    watch at 1 hour 9 mins 50 seconds Re: Philip Zelikow.

    http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=8119854514684528700&q=David+Ray+Griffin

    The 9/11 commission: " A fully independent and impartial commission" (cough...BULLSHIT)

    ....talk about pretty severe conflict of interest eh?
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  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Official FBI website most wanted list

    Osama Bin Laden:
    http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

    That's funny....it says nothing at all about 9/11 ?!?!?

    lies...lies...more lies...

    rise and shine...

    This is a good point, take a look at the link and tell me MakingWaves why is he not wanted for 9/11? as after all he did it according to you.
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  • MakingWaves
    MakingWaves Posts: 1,294
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by RolandTD20Kdrummer
    Obviously Cement is much more resistant to heat. Who is disputing that fact?

    You, or someone, made the comment hey and guess which part collapsed? meaning the steel only section of the building.

    So do you think by adding an airplane to the mix, it now somehow goes from that type of collapse...to complete building failure collapse going all the way down without stopping or slowing down now?[/quote]



    Yes adding the airplane to the mix had EVERYTHING to do with the buildings collapsing. That is what I have been saying over and over and over. If just a fire had been set to the buildings they more then likely would not have collapsed.
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  • MakingWaves
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    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Hows about knowing it while it was happening? :rolleyes:

    Oh yeah....we were busy reading children's books...glazed over and unconcerned.

    All the while Cheney's all warm and cozy in the bunker "dealing with" with the attack order.

    This is another one I don't understand. What was Bush supposed to do? Jump up and start screaming or just walk out while those kids are reading to him. There was nothing he could do at the time and the Secret Service probably thought it was best to stay put until they knew what was going on and he could prepare and official statement.
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  • MakingWaves
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    spiral out wrote:
    This is a good point, take a look at the link and tell me MakingWaves why is he not wanted for 9/11? as after all he did it according to you.

    "Attack on a Federal Facility." If I remember correctly the Pentagon was attacked on 9/11 and is a Federal Facility. Just another example of taking facts and bending them to make it sound suspicious. Try again.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    More with David Griffin re: the authenticity of the 9/11 commission

    http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=6837001821567284154&q=David+Ray+Griffin
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