D.C. Gun Ban Ruled Unconstitutional!

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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    dunkman wrote:
    thanks.. you've just admitted it IS a problem
    Of course there's a parenting problem.........what's your point?
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    hippiemom wrote:
    So the reason for preferring a gun over a knife doesn't really have anything to do with not wanting to kill anyone.


    when someone uses a gun for self defence; they stay abreast of the subject. when a criminal is faced with an armed victim; they usually run and no shots are fired. the criminal is caught off guard and confused. someone trained in self defence knows to use these seconds of confusion to take control of the situation. a trained person is also aware of their surroundings. i will notice a suspicous person and avoid them. unlike someone chatting on a cell phone. when someone decides to obtain a permit to carry; they are not only trained how to use the weapon; but also how not to need to use it.
  • Derrick
    Derrick Posts: 475
    jeffbr wrote:
    We already provide publicly funded education for not only the poorest 10 percent, but for every American. Nobody is denied a public education based on income level.
    Including post-secondary education.
    I've never seen evidence that this would work. I know that Australia spent half a BILLION dollars getting 600,000 weapons off the street with no effect on the crime rate. For many people, financial incentive won't work with a gun buyback. No way you can get all of the guns off of the street without a high level of government coersion. And only the law-abiding citizens will be giving up their guns. This wouldn't address the criminal element at all.
    It's not a total solution, it's simply one piece of the puzzle. This alone will not fix anything, I agree.
    Taxes and tariffs will only result in cost increases of products here. That will also negatively impact the poor. Why are we losing jobs overseas? Look at auto workers and their unions for a prime example. Same thing with textile workers.
    If implemented properly, it should allow US based competitors to come in at a lower price for equal goods...keeping the economy strong in america. The bigger issue why this wouldn't work is because America is also an exporter and countries wouldn't appreciate this. But still, jobs in america are being outsourced to countries with poorer standards every day. It is one of America's downfalls.

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    If not them, then who? Change is necessary.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    PJPOWER wrote:
    Of course there's a parenting problem.........what's your point?

    when i was a kid we were taught that we had to answer to God; thus we were good. kids today believe that when they die; it's over; so they have nothing to loose.
    if i didn't think i had to answer for my actions; i would have been wild as hell. i can name 3 people i would have gladly killed if i didn't think i'd have to answer for it. and don't tell me the law. i would have used a high power rifle and shot from about 200 yards. i also know how to lap a barrel and change the rifling so ballistics couldn't be matched.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    i wish my state had a buy-back program. i'd take in my older guns and buy new ones.
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    onelongsong wrote:
    when i was a kid we were taught that we had to answer to God; thus we were good. kids today believe that when they die; it's over; so they have nothing to loose.
    if i didn't think i had to answer for my actions; i would have been wild as hell. i can name 3 people i would have gladly killed if i didn't think i'd have to answer for it. and don't tell me the law. i would have used a high power rifle and shot from about 200 yards. i also know how to lap a barrel and change the rifling so ballistics couldn't be matched.

    see I knew from the beginning that God was a fairy tale...and I didn't go wild....soooo I'm sooooo glad your a believer.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    callen wrote:
    see I knew from the beginning that God was a fairy tale...and I didn't go wild....soooo I'm sooooo glad your a believer.

    obviously it doesn't apply to everyone.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    I wish everyone had guns...we could all walk around doing rad gun things and be like all cool and shit...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I wish everyone had guns...we could all walk around doing rad gun things and be like all cool and shit...

    in areas where everyone is armed; you never see a gun. an armed society is a polite society.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    onelongsong wrote:
    in areas where everyone is armed; you never see a gun. an armed society is a polite society.

    In an armed society when things go wrong people die. Unarmed society...bump on head, black eye.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    In an armed society when things go wrong people die. Unarmed society...bump on head, black eye.

    DC was unarmed. People still died.
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    zstillings wrote:
    DC was unarmed. People still died.
    Edit: DC was unarmed. More people died.
  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    PJPOWER wrote:
    Edit: DC was unarmed. More people died.

    Thank you. You're right.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    zstillings wrote:
    DC was unarmed. People still died.

    Yeah...imagine if they all had guns in that frame of mind.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Yeah...imagine if they all had guns in that frame of mind.

    You're right. Nobody had guns. Not even the guys who robbed my friends. The government protected them though. They took about four minutes to write up a report.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    In an armed society when things go wrong people die. Unarmed society...bump on head, black eye.

    history proves this isn't true. i live in an armed society and the thought that the other person may be 1 second faster keeps everyone from drawing a gun.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    zstillings wrote:
    Thank you. You're right.

    crime is always higher where there are unarmed victims. i believe it's called "easy pickins".
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    onelongsong wrote:
    history proves this isn't true. i live in an armed society and the thought that the other person may be 1 second faster keeps everyone from drawing a gun.


    I thought the gun death statistics show that society owning guns leads to more people getting shot by them. Seems pretty cause and effect to me. Wasn't there a study done on this?

    People tend to get angry and irrational with or without owning a gun. If my neighbor went totally psycho nuts one day I would be telling myself hmm I hope he does not have access to a gun.

    I think gun nuts are exactly that...fucking nuts!
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Derrick
    Derrick Posts: 475
    The other thing you can do is not carry anything of substantial wealth and submit. Offer your attacker your wallet and advise them to have fun with the bank card (lol). Carry little or minimal cash. Someone steals your wallet? oh well.

    I personally hate cash as it is. Makes the wallet too thick and change is heavy.
  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I thought the gun death statistics show that society owning guns leads to more people getting shot by them. Seems pretty cause and effect to me. Wasn't there a study done on this?

    People tend to get angry and irrational with or without owning a gun. If my neighbor went totally psycho nuts one day I would be telling myself hmm I hope he does not have access to a gun.

    I think gun nuts are exactly that...fucking nuts!

    You can have a big gun banning ceremony and people will still rob others at gunpoint. It's easier to let the government pay your way while you take from others than to actually have a job and go to work every day.

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