Police Escort from Nashville Presidential Debate

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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Let me guess, you have yet to learn about the federal reserve and how the money system works?

    huh....? this has to do with what...?
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    inmytree wrote:
    huh....? this has to do with what...?


    Everything the guy was saying in the video. It gets philosophical beyond this point.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Is there also a dress code in the US?

    I thought that was free and unprejudiced as well...

    I guess I can't practice my right of free speech by making fun of that guy's hat...

    looks like the dirty corporations have gotten to you....
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Everything the guy was saying in the video. It gets philosophical beyond this point.

    was Mr. Hat was getting philosophical or telling the truth...


    all I could get was blah blah blah obama and mccain are the same blah blah blah my hat came with a free soup blah blah blah look at me and my super coolness blah blah blah oh! my free speech has been taken but I keep talking blah blah blah....
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    inmytree wrote:
    I guess I can't practice my right of free speech by making fun of that guy's hat...

    looks like the dirty corporations have gotten to you....

    You can say whatever you want about the guy, but it doesn't change the reality of what he is saying. The corporations have gotten to everyone my friend. There is no eluding complete monetary control to the point that even congress and presidents are susceptible to it.

    Everyone the world around is affected by how they are run...as well as air, water, and soil.

    So have they gotten to me? Who (edit: and what) haven't they?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    inmytree wrote:
    was Mr. Hat was getting philosophical or telling the truth...


    all I could get was blah blah blah obama and mccain are the same blah blah blah my hat came with a free soup blah blah blah look at me and my super coolness blah blah blah oh! my free speech has been taken but I keep talking blah blah blah....

    Well that's unfortunate. I heard and saw something very different, the least of it was how the guy was dressed.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Speakers
    Speakers Posts: 252
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Ever been around someone using a megaphone when you've liked what the person was saying? I have.

    ...it's not too loud dude...it's just a megaphone not a jet engine.

    When you don't like what you're hearing on the other hand...even the human voice can be too loud....sometimes all it takes is a tshirt.. ;)

    Yeah, I don't want somebody at a Pearl Jam concert yelling, "Pearl Jam Rocks" through a Megaphone. I do agree that Pearl Jam does indeed rock but I don't want to hear it through a megaphone, it is way too loud...even in a concert setting.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Speakers wrote:
    Yeah, I don't want somebody at a Pearl Jam concert yelling, "Pearl Jam Rocks" through a Megaphone. I do agree that Pearl Jam does indeed rock but I don't want to hear it through a megaphone, it is way too loud...even in a concert setting.

    Well you go to hear the band play music not hear the patrons right?

    When you go to a political free for all you expect to hear people exercising their right to free speech, some very loudly.

    Maybe police should just ban megaphones in public and be done with it?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Well that's unfortunate. I heard and saw something very different, the least of it was how the guy was dressed.

    first impressions are important...;)


    Listen, I have to be honest, I less of an issue with what what the guy said or didn't say, it was his choice of venue and method of communication...

    also, while I understand "corporations" can be seen as a bad thing...I wonder what the alternative is...get rid if them...? do away with them....?

    check out Sudan and third world countries that don't have "corporations"....

    I suppose if one doesn't care for "corporations", then that person should stop being a part of them...i.e., don't buy anything, grow your own food, weave you own fabric, use leaves to wipe their ass....

    maybe that fella should have made his own megaphone...cuz I'd be willing to bet a "corporation" played some role in the making of said megaphone...
  • Speakers
    Speakers Posts: 252
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Well you go to hear the band play music not hear the patrons right?

    When you go to a political free for all you expect to hear people exercising their right to free speech, some very loudly.

    Maybe police should just ban megaphones in public and be done with it?

    No, actually I go to concerts to get the energy from the patrons, their singing from singalongs, their yelling and encouragement of the bands. There is a focal point to the energy (the band) but as long as other people are yelling at normal voice levels, I enjoy it. If somebody had a megaphone to enhance their voice over everybody elses, I would be pissed but if everybody was silent, it would be boring. (E.V./accoustic concerts are different)

    As another estute poster put it earlier, if we allow machines to aid decibel levels, it will turn into a sound war. My amplification system is louder than yours. Dumb. Let the voices of democracy speak. Strength in numbers. Or are you more interested in the Lord of the Flies model? Whoever has the Conch Shell is allowed to speak.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    inmytree wrote:
    first impressions are important...;)


    Listen, I have to be honest, I less of an issue with what what the guy said or didn't say, it was his choice of venue and method of communication...

    also, while I understand "corporations" can be seen as a bad thing...I wonder what the alternative is...get rid if them...? do away with them....?

    check out Sudan and third world countries that don't have "corporations"....

    I suppose if one doesn't care for "corporations", then that person should stop being a part of them...i.e., don't buy anything, grow your own food, weave you own fabric, use leaves to wipe their ass....

    maybe that fella should have made his own megaphone...cuz I'd be willing to bet a "corporation" played some role in the making of said megaphone...

    There's some wisdom to be found in not judging a book by it's cover. Countries don't need to have giant corporations within their borders to be affected, as long as they have a marketable resource they are fair game, and have been for hundreds of years. Also the economies in various countries are interlinked so when one is affected often another is often affected indirectly as well. The alternative is to redefine corporations as to how they can operate looking forward.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Speakers wrote:
    No, actually I go to concerts to get the energy from the patrons, their singing from singalongs, their yelling and encouragement of the bands. There is a focal point to the energy (the band) but as long as other people are yelling at normal voice levels, I enjoy it. If somebody had a megaphone to enhance their voice over everybody elses, I would be pissed but if everybody was silent, it would be boring. (E.V./accoustic concerts are different)

    As another estute poster put it earlier, if we allow machines to aid decibel levels, it will turn into a sound war. My amplification system is louder than yours. Dumb. Let the voices of democracy speak. Strength in numbers. Or are you more interested in the Lord of the Flies model? Whoever has the Conch Shell is allowed to speak.

    If a particular patron is yelling something that is not appealing it will not be appealing at any level as long as you can hear it. If it's entertaining, people don't seem to mind at all. Freedom of speech as long as it is mainstream and status quo and acceptable. I'm not sure that's how it's supposed to work, when people are looking for change.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Wilds
    Wilds Posts: 4,329
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    If a particular patron is yelling something that is not appealing it will not be appealing at any level as long as you can hear it. If it's entertaining, people don't seem to mind at all. Freedom of speech as long as it is mainstream and status quo and acceptable. I'm not sure that's how it's supposed to work, when people are looking for change.

    It seems that because the police were only targeting the one guy and not his friend who was also speaking his mind, the only real target was the amplified megaphone.

    Now I'm certain if the guy had been spouting out pro Obama propaganda then there wouldn't have been an issue, because no one would have taken offense. But the minute someone complains the complaint is valid because of the megaphone.

    If someone was spouting pro Obama stuff from a megaphone and someone complained then that person ALSO could have been fairly escorted out.

    So there are half truths in all of the above arguments.

    Obviously with aid of the camera the PURPOSE of the guy with the megaphone WAS to get thrown out and to capture it all to be shown on YouTube. His end objective was met. He wasn't trying to convert a bunch of partisan rally idiots, he was there to be the spectacle he was and then say, "Where is my free speech."

    I say kudos to him for being passionate, speaking his mind, and having the intelligence to make a scene.

    But to say the police were in the wrong, or that they were stopping free speech would be incorrect. IMO.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Wilds wrote:
    But to say the police were in the wrong, or that they were stopping free speech would be incorrect. IMO.

    They could have just confiscated his megaphone, which they did anyways, but they also had him forcefully removed from the property. I would be curious to see what would have happened if he returned without the megaphone and tried to continue in the same location. I'm betting he would be arrested on the spot after confrontation, which he almost was.

    I guess megaphones are not allowed at public rallies anymore. I'm thinking they should put this down on paper if this is going to be the unspoken rule in the future.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Wilds
    Wilds Posts: 4,329
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    They could have just confiscated his megaphone, which they did anyways, but they also had him forcefully removed from the property. I would be curious to see what would have happened if he returned without the megaphone and tried to continue in the same location. I'm betting he would be arrested on the spot after confrontation, which he almost was.

    I guess megaphones are not allowed at public rallies anymore. I'm thinking they should put this down on paper if this is going to be the unspoken rule in the future.

    You make some good points. I would guess that the minute this guy started saying "no, I won't leave", and "no, I won't stop speaking over this megaphone", he was now directly disobeying the authority.

    Something they are sure to take umbridge with.

    If upon their first request he complied, I doubt the situation would have become as heated.

    His fighting had a lot to do with the final outcome.
  • godpt3
    godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    When you are telling the truth, freedom of speech should be congratulated where appropriate not attacked.

    However, when you're an idiot, freedom of speech needs to be PERMANENTLY revoked. With a bullet to the head.

    You see, the problem with society today is that too many stupid, ignorant and flat-out crazy motherfuckers have placed themselves in front of cameras and in front of microphones. And, tragically, there are people out there who are actually DUMBER than those speaking. And as the audience grows, the stupidity spreads like a cancer, choking off all rationality and replacing it with ignorance.


    That buzzing you're hearing right now... it's the flies swarming over freshly laid bullshit.
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  • PJMEMama
    PJMEMama Posts: 99
    You can say whatever you want, but no one has to listen.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    godpt3 wrote:
    However, when you're an idiot, freedom of speech needs to be PERMANENTLY revoked. With a bullet to the head.

    You see, the problem with society today is that too many stupid, ignorant and flat-out crazy motherfuckers have placed themselves in front of cameras and in front of microphones. And, tragically, there are people out there who are actually DUMBER than those speaking. And as the audience grows, the stupidity spreads like a cancer, choking off all rationality and replacing it with ignorance.


    That buzzing you're hearing right now... it's the flies swarming over freshly laid bullshit.

    The trouble with that is many economic analysts agree...so I'm not sure about how stupid people with cameras really are, but you might be a bit off base in this example.

    in any event you sound a bit like an inmate in for long sentence... :p
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    PJMEMama wrote:
    You can say whatever you want, but no one has to listen.

    People have legs too...then can move around to where it's not as noisy.... I tried it just the other day...worked pretty good.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • godpt3
    godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    in any event you sound a bit like an inmate in for long sentence... :p

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