Listen, I have to be honest, I less of an issue with what what the guy said or didn't say, it was his choice of venue and method of communication...
also, while I understand "corporations" can be seen as a bad thing...I wonder what the alternative is...get rid if them...? do away with them....?
check out Sudan and third world countries that don't have "corporations"....
I suppose if one doesn't care for "corporations", then that person should stop being a part of them...i.e., don't buy anything, grow your own food, weave you own fabric, use leaves to wipe their ass....
maybe that fella should have made his own megaphone...cuz I'd be willing to bet a "corporation" played some role in the making of said megaphone...
There's some wisdom to be found in not judging a book by it's cover. Countries don't need to have giant corporations within their borders to be affected, as long as they have a marketable resource they are fair game, and have been for hundreds of years. Also the economies in various countries are interlinked so when one is affected often another is often affected indirectly as well. The alternative is to redefine corporations as to how they can operate looking forward.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
No, actually I go to concerts to get the energy from the patrons, their singing from singalongs, their yelling and encouragement of the bands. There is a focal point to the energy (the band) but as long as other people are yelling at normal voice levels, I enjoy it. If somebody had a megaphone to enhance their voice over everybody elses, I would be pissed but if everybody was silent, it would be boring. (E.V./accoustic concerts are different)
As another estute poster put it earlier, if we allow machines to aid decibel levels, it will turn into a sound war. My amplification system is louder than yours. Dumb. Let the voices of democracy speak. Strength in numbers. Or are you more interested in the Lord of the Flies model? Whoever has the Conch Shell is allowed to speak.
If a particular patron is yelling something that is not appealing it will not be appealing at any level as long as you can hear it. If it's entertaining, people don't seem to mind at all. Freedom of speech as long as it is mainstream and status quo and acceptable. I'm not sure that's how it's supposed to work, when people are looking for change.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
If a particular patron is yelling something that is not appealing it will not be appealing at any level as long as you can hear it. If it's entertaining, people don't seem to mind at all. Freedom of speech as long as it is mainstream and status quo and acceptable. I'm not sure that's how it's supposed to work, when people are looking for change.
It seems that because the police were only targeting the one guy and not his friend who was also speaking his mind, the only real target was the amplified megaphone.
Now I'm certain if the guy had been spouting out pro Obama propaganda then there wouldn't have been an issue, because no one would have taken offense. But the minute someone complains the complaint is valid because of the megaphone.
If someone was spouting pro Obama stuff from a megaphone and someone complained then that person ALSO could have been fairly escorted out.
So there are half truths in all of the above arguments.
Obviously with aid of the camera the PURPOSE of the guy with the megaphone WAS to get thrown out and to capture it all to be shown on YouTube. His end objective was met. He wasn't trying to convert a bunch of partisan rally idiots, he was there to be the spectacle he was and then say, "Where is my free speech."
I say kudos to him for being passionate, speaking his mind, and having the intelligence to make a scene.
But to say the police were in the wrong, or that they were stopping free speech would be incorrect. IMO.
But to say the police were in the wrong, or that they were stopping free speech would be incorrect. IMO.
They could have just confiscated his megaphone, which they did anyways, but they also had him forcefully removed from the property. I would be curious to see what would have happened if he returned without the megaphone and tried to continue in the same location. I'm betting he would be arrested on the spot after confrontation, which he almost was.
I guess megaphones are not allowed at public rallies anymore. I'm thinking they should put this down on paper if this is going to be the unspoken rule in the future.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
They could have just confiscated his megaphone, which they did anyways, but they also had him forcefully removed from the property. I would be curious to see what would have happened if he returned without the megaphone and tried to continue in the same location. I'm betting he would be arrested on the spot after confrontation, which he almost was.
I guess megaphones are not allowed at public rallies anymore. I'm thinking they should put this down on paper if this is going to be the unspoken rule in the future.
You make some good points. I would guess that the minute this guy started saying "no, I won't leave", and "no, I won't stop speaking over this megaphone", he was now directly disobeying the authority.
Something they are sure to take umbridge with.
If upon their first request he complied, I doubt the situation would have become as heated.
His fighting had a lot to do with the final outcome.
When you are telling the truth, freedom of speech should be congratulated where appropriate not attacked.
However, when you're an idiot, freedom of speech needs to be PERMANENTLY revoked. With a bullet to the head.
You see, the problem with society today is that too many stupid, ignorant and flat-out crazy motherfuckers have placed themselves in front of cameras and in front of microphones. And, tragically, there are people out there who are actually DUMBER than those speaking. And as the audience grows, the stupidity spreads like a cancer, choking off all rationality and replacing it with ignorance.
That buzzing you're hearing right now... it's the flies swarming over freshly laid bullshit.
"If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
—Dorothy Parker
However, when you're an idiot, freedom of speech needs to be PERMANENTLY revoked. With a bullet to the head.
You see, the problem with society today is that too many stupid, ignorant and flat-out crazy motherfuckers have placed themselves in front of cameras and in front of microphones. And, tragically, there are people out there who are actually DUMBER than those speaking. And as the audience grows, the stupidity spreads like a cancer, choking off all rationality and replacing it with ignorance.
That buzzing you're hearing right now... it's the flies swarming over freshly laid bullshit.
The trouble with that is many economic analysts agree...so I'm not sure about how stupid people with cameras really are, but you might be a bit off base in this example.
in any event you sound a bit like an inmate in for long sentence...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
You can say whatever you want, but no one has to listen.
People have legs too...then can move around to where it's not as noisy.... I tried it just the other day...worked pretty good.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
You make some good points. I would guess that the minute this guy started saying "no, I won't leave", and "no, I won't stop speaking over this megaphone", he was now directly disobeying the authority.
Something they are sure to take umbridge with.
If upon their first request he complied, I doubt the situation would have become as heated.
His fighting had a lot to do with the final outcome.
I definitely agree on these points. Plus, the fact is that he was on private property. So yes, he certainly can be prohibited from using a megaphone. Now, if that megaphone was used for pro-Obama or McCain sentiment, perhaps that would have been acceptable, but that's a moot point anyway. I'm not arguing that what he was saying was wrong, but I'm sure the vast majority of the people he was blasting his views with would. Such sentiment is bound to kick off trouble. Especially with the 9/11 was an inside job type comments (not that I'm arguing against that) because those can really incite a backlash. Those in charge of security surely were looking to minimise any risk of trouble.
I'm not one to defend violation of free-speech or abuse of power, but I don't think guy has much of a case, regardless of whether or not I agree with his views.
This was at Belmont University in Nashville. I think any tax paying citizen can walk on the grounds and not be in violation of trespassing on private property.
I suppose the moral to the story is never be annoying or annoy people in public no matter what, or you can get arrested. So I guess just keep a very low profile and try not to make anyone angry or you can go to jail.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
This was at Belmont University in Nashville. I think any tax paying citizen can walk on the grounds and not be in violation of trespassing on private property.
I suppose the moral to the story is never be annoying or annoy people in public no matter what, or you can get arrested. So I guess just keep a very low profile and try not to make anyone angry or you can go to jail.
Universities are private property with their own rules. And he wasn't arrested, he was escorted off the property. You're really distorting the facts and coming off as foolish here.
Universities are private property with their own rules. And he wasn't arrested, he was escorted off the property. You're really distorting the facts and coming off as foolish here.
He was told at one point he was most certainly going to be charged and arrested, it was pretty much by the skin of his teeth he got off in this case. Fine line.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Given the current financial crisis do we really believe that Obama and McCain are the same and that there won't be regulations initiated by a future Obama administration.
I'm listening and I agree in principle with this protester as well as Roland. However I don't think this protester was mistreated or even denied his freedom of speech. It could have been worse.
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There's some wisdom to be found in not judging a book by it's cover. Countries don't need to have giant corporations within their borders to be affected, as long as they have a marketable resource they are fair game, and have been for hundreds of years. Also the economies in various countries are interlinked so when one is affected often another is often affected indirectly as well. The alternative is to redefine corporations as to how they can operate looking forward.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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If a particular patron is yelling something that is not appealing it will not be appealing at any level as long as you can hear it. If it's entertaining, people don't seem to mind at all. Freedom of speech as long as it is mainstream and status quo and acceptable. I'm not sure that's how it's supposed to work, when people are looking for change.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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It seems that because the police were only targeting the one guy and not his friend who was also speaking his mind, the only real target was the amplified megaphone.
Now I'm certain if the guy had been spouting out pro Obama propaganda then there wouldn't have been an issue, because no one would have taken offense. But the minute someone complains the complaint is valid because of the megaphone.
If someone was spouting pro Obama stuff from a megaphone and someone complained then that person ALSO could have been fairly escorted out.
So there are half truths in all of the above arguments.
Obviously with aid of the camera the PURPOSE of the guy with the megaphone WAS to get thrown out and to capture it all to be shown on YouTube. His end objective was met. He wasn't trying to convert a bunch of partisan rally idiots, he was there to be the spectacle he was and then say, "Where is my free speech."
I say kudos to him for being passionate, speaking his mind, and having the intelligence to make a scene.
But to say the police were in the wrong, or that they were stopping free speech would be incorrect. IMO.
They could have just confiscated his megaphone, which they did anyways, but they also had him forcefully removed from the property. I would be curious to see what would have happened if he returned without the megaphone and tried to continue in the same location. I'm betting he would be arrested on the spot after confrontation, which he almost was.
I guess megaphones are not allowed at public rallies anymore. I'm thinking they should put this down on paper if this is going to be the unspoken rule in the future.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
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You make some good points. I would guess that the minute this guy started saying "no, I won't leave", and "no, I won't stop speaking over this megaphone", he was now directly disobeying the authority.
Something they are sure to take umbridge with.
If upon their first request he complied, I doubt the situation would have become as heated.
His fighting had a lot to do with the final outcome.
However, when you're an idiot, freedom of speech needs to be PERMANENTLY revoked. With a bullet to the head.
You see, the problem with society today is that too many stupid, ignorant and flat-out crazy motherfuckers have placed themselves in front of cameras and in front of microphones. And, tragically, there are people out there who are actually DUMBER than those speaking. And as the audience grows, the stupidity spreads like a cancer, choking off all rationality and replacing it with ignorance.
That buzzing you're hearing right now... it's the flies swarming over freshly laid bullshit.
—Dorothy Parker
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6902/conspiracytheoriesxt6qt8.jpg
The trouble with that is many economic analysts agree...so I'm not sure about how stupid people with cameras really are, but you might be a bit off base in this example.
in any event you sound a bit like an inmate in for long sentence...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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People have legs too...then can move around to where it's not as noisy.... I tried it just the other day...worked pretty good.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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How Could Hell Be Any Worse???
—Dorothy Parker
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6902/conspiracytheoriesxt6qt8.jpg
It could get re-elected for another term..
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I definitely agree on these points. Plus, the fact is that he was on private property. So yes, he certainly can be prohibited from using a megaphone. Now, if that megaphone was used for pro-Obama or McCain sentiment, perhaps that would have been acceptable, but that's a moot point anyway. I'm not arguing that what he was saying was wrong, but I'm sure the vast majority of the people he was blasting his views with would. Such sentiment is bound to kick off trouble. Especially with the 9/11 was an inside job type comments (not that I'm arguing against that) because those can really incite a backlash. Those in charge of security surely were looking to minimise any risk of trouble.
I'm not one to defend violation of free-speech or abuse of power, but I don't think guy has much of a case, regardless of whether or not I agree with his views.
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I suppose the moral to the story is never be annoying or annoy people in public no matter what, or you can get arrested. So I guess just keep a very low profile and try not to make anyone angry or you can go to jail.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Universities are private property with their own rules. And he wasn't arrested, he was escorted off the property. You're really distorting the facts and coming off as foolish here.
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He was told at one point he was most certainly going to be charged and arrested, it was pretty much by the skin of his teeth he got off in this case. Fine line.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I'm listening and I agree in principle with this protester as well as Roland. However I don't think this protester was mistreated or even denied his freedom of speech. It could have been worse.