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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    i don't get it.

    1. Jesus is God's only begotten son
    a. That's what the Bible "says"
    b. It is written
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    gue_barium wrote:
    1. Jesus is God's only begotten son
    a. That's what the Bible "says"
    b. It is written
    i still don't get it.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    i still don't get it.

    I'm just doing some free-thought outlining.
    Nothing there for you to get.

    Praise and blessings.
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Ahnimus wrote:
    .... I'm frustrated with some debaters because they don't seem to grasp the concepts...


    Well ditto! ;):D
    NOPE!!!

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    The currents will shift
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    El Ciclon (translation: the cycle)

    Yo - flor, polen - abeja, oso, pez, agua
    sube nube, llueve, arbol - oxigeno - pulmón.
    Nopiltze, hija mia ?Acaso Dios nunca muere?
    A qué dios te refieres,
    todo de eso depende.
    Hay dioses que pensaron Que el mundo era infinito,
    no hay un equilibrio entre los reinos hijo mío
    Gira y da vueltas
    y rueda, y rueda.
    Quero hacerla un cuadrado,
    deformarla en un triangulo
    pero la vida siempre vuelve a su forma circular.
    La única que puede darnos vueltas es Dios.
    Hay tan pocas flores ya, peces agua y pensé
    que la vuelta no daría, hoy tu hijo me respira.
    Si el equilibrio es Dios, y el equilibrio murió,
    ?Que pasó con Dios?

    Me - flower, polen - bee, bear, fish, water
    fog, rain, tree - oxygen - lungs
    Nopiltze, my girl? Does God ever die?
    Which god do you refer?
    All that depends
    there were gods who believed the world is infinite
    there is no equilibrium between kingdoms, my child

    Turns and spins
    Round and round
    I want to make a square
    decorate it in a triangle
    but life always returns to it's circular form
    the only one who can spin us is God
    there are a few flowers, fishes and water now
    and I thought the world would never end, today your child breathes
    and if the equilibrium is god, and the equilibrium died
    what happened to God?

    great song from a mexican band named Cafe Tacuba... it reminded me about this topic... yes, i took the time to translate.... so appreciate it mofo's!
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I hate to spoil it, but if they could tell you where their thoughts actually come from, they would be proving that their thoughts are causal in nature.

    You know Roland, I know you've had an epiphany that has clarified this for you. I'd be interested to see if you ever turn 180 on this, you'd make an excellent debate partner having seen things my way. I'm frustrated with some debaters because they don't seem to grasp the concepts.

    Actually, I'm interested in debating some of the finer points with you. Such as indeterminism, and the plausibility of freedom emerging from complexity as Dan Dennett suggests. Just to get your thoughts on the topic.


    Actually that makes sense. My argument was perhaps reversed as in can v.s. cannot. If anyone actually knew where their thoughts came, from it would seem to support causality.

    It can be frustrating, reason being it's not anywhere near a simple topic to explain. It's waay out of the box type thinking (to me anyways).
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    gue_barium wrote:
    I'm just doing some free-thought outlining.
    Nothing there for you to get.

    Praise and blessings.
    oh ok...
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    oh ok...

    What do you make of:

    "All books are books of the Bible."

    Is it Fate, are we fated?
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    gue_barium wrote:
    What do you make of:

    "All books are books of the Bible."

    Is it Fate, are we fated?
    all books are books of the bible??? ummmm... i dunno.... but i don't see how that makes us fated.

    it would make sense though.... all books are boooks of the bible. total sense. but it wouldn't make sense if it said, "All books are books of the Holy Bible." ;)
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    all books are books of the bible??? ummmm... i dunno.... but i don't see how that makes us fated.

    it would make sense though.... all books are boooks of the bible. total sense. but it wouldn't make sense if it said, "All books are books of the Holy Bible." ;)

    Well, you're nitpicking. One human is as a human is, no?
    The idea that all books are books of the bible (holy or not) came to me many yeas ago as i related to the new testament and some of the stories of the old testament. Like Esther.

    It is a neverending story, is it not? We all contribute our Word.

    Even here, and now.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    gue_barium wrote:
    Well, you're nitpicking. One human is as a human is, no?
    The idea that all books are books of the bible (holy or not) came to me many yeas ago as i related to the new testament and some of the stories of the old testament. Like Esther.

    It is a neverending story, is it not? We all contribute our Word.

    Even here, and now.
    i guess, it just depends on what you believe. it's alright with me.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    gue_barium wrote:
    Well, you're nitpicking. One human is as a human is, no?
    The idea that all books are books of the bible (holy or not) came to me many yeas ago as i related to the new testament and some of the stories of the old testament. Like Esther.

    It is a neverending story, is it not? We all contribute our Word.

    Even here, and now.
    you do know that there's a scripture in revelation that says if you add to it then the tribulations will be doubled, right?
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    i guess, it just depends on what you believe. it's alright with me.

    Are you afraid of what another believes?
    I just stated that the Holy Bible has never concluded. The spirit of the written and the spoken word is as holy and amongst us now as it was when it was first conjured by the hebrew wordsmiths of yore. I believe that. You don't?
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  • gue_barium
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    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    you do know that there's a scripture in revelation that says if you add to it then the tribulations will be doubled, right?

    Purplehawk's greatX1000 grandfather was there back then, too.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
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    Ahnimus wrote:
    I also want to ask Roland. When I realized that human free-will was an illusion and that the beginning as well as the end is determined, I felt emancipated, which one might think as contrary to the actual belief. I still feel like I have to talk about it openly to share my view in hope that others will also realize it. Do you feel like this at all?

    On a side-note, a girl-friend of mine has just started a sociology course. Her sociology professor on the first day of class stated "Free-will does not exist" and provided an explanation. It has to do with the fact that three different models accurately predict human behavior without invoking free-wills. I'll find out what those models are, I know one is called "milieu" or environment. I'm guessing the other two are on the order of things we've already suggested on this board. I don't imagine sociology views human cognition any differently than psychology.


    When it first hit me, it was odd. I had recalled something that I had read from several months earlier about the moment of the big bang, creation, or "spark of life" (call it what you will) that everything is set forth on a path of a pre-determined existence or "state of affairs" so to speak.

    All events thereafter will play out according to observable physical laws and phenomenas. I'm beginning to think even if one was to look at it from a planets flying around crashing into each other perspective it would hold true.

    It was a lot like a light bulb going off. Unfortunately I don't remember the other factor that triggered the realization.

    I have to say I feel kinda neutral but definitely intrigued.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    gue_barium wrote:
    Purplehawk's greatX1000 grandfather was there back then, too.


    Ahh... so that's who Moses was...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    When it first hit me, it was odd. I had recalled something that I had read from several months earlier about the moment of the big bang, creation, or "spark of life" (call it what you will) that everything is set forth on a path of a pre-determined existence or "state of affairs" so to speak.

    All events thereafter will play out according to observable physical laws and phenomenas. I'm beginning to think even if one was to look at it from a planets flying around crashing into each other perspective it would hold true.

    It was a lot like a light bulb going off. Unfortunately I don't remember the other factor that triggered the realization.

    I have to say I feel kinda neutral but definitely intrigued.

    Nobody would have gotten anywhere without a little song, a little dance, a little storytelling by the fire under the stars.
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  • gue_barium
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    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Ahh... so that's who Moses was...

    I wouldn't give him that much credit. He does like his wine, however....
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  • deadnothingbetter
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    gue_barium wrote:
    Are you afraid of what another believes?
    I just stated that the Holy Bible has never concluded. The spirit of the written and the spoken word is as holy and amongst us now as it was when it was first conjured by the hebrew wordsmiths of yore. I believe that. You don't?
    no, i'm not afraid what others believe. what makes you say that?

    i thought you were saying that anybody who writes another book is just as holy as the bible. am i right? it's fine by me... although i don't particularly agree, but ok.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    gue_barium wrote:
    Purplehawk's greatX1000 grandfather was there back then, too.
    yeah probably your's and mine too. but what's that got to do with anything?
    This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.

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