Did the U.S defeat Hitlers Germany?

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Добрый вечер, Спасибо!
    Doobraye Veyecher, Spaseeba!
    Good evening, thankyou!

    Just thought I'd say thanks for your contributions to thread and to also take the number of replies up to the 400 mark.
  • evenkat
    evenkat Posts: 380
    jlew24asu wrote:
    fuck the french.

    If it were not for the French we would be speaking English right now ;)

    Seriously, the French supported us in the Revolutionary War and our independence from Britain. Ya know that Statue of Liberty? It was their gift to us.

    http://www.nps.gov/stli/
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    evenkat wrote:
    If it were not for the French we would be speaking English right now ;)

    Seriously, the French supported us in the Revolutionary War and our independence from Britain. Ya know that Statue of Liberty? It was their gift to us.

    http://www.nps.gov/stli/



    yea yea yea
  • sponger
    sponger Posts: 3,159
    evenkat wrote:
    If it were not for the French we would be speaking English right now ;)

    Seriously, the French supported us in the Revolutionary War and our independence from Britain. Ya know that Statue of Liberty? It was their gift to us.

    http://www.nps.gov/stli/


    We are speaking english. I think what you mean to say is that we'd all sound like monty python.
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  • evenkat
    evenkat Posts: 380
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Добрый вечер, Спасибо!
    Doobraye Veyecher, Spaseeba!
    Good evening, thankyou!

    Just thought I'd say thanks for your contributions to thread and to also take the number of replies up to the 400 mark.

    Just out of curiosity, do you believe that Hitler committed suicide?
    "...believe in lies...to get by...it's divine...whoa...oh, you know what its like..."
  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    evenkat wrote:
    Just out of curiosity, do you believe that Hitler committed suicide?
    Yes..........do a little reading, it was briefly mentioned earlier in this thread, about what happened to Mussolini as he tried to leave Italy in advance of the Allied forces conquering/freeing that country. He was basically lynched and nasty things were done in public to his dead body by Italians, not foreign troops. Hitler knew about this and possibly feared the worst should the German people get a hold of him. He also did not want to fall into the hands of the Soviets.......a nation that he betrayed by breaking a non-agression pact with a large-scale invasion that wrecked the country's landscape and lead to the deaths of millions of its citizens. So, he killed himself....actually a very egotisical move on this part....and had the body burned to avoid public displays after his death.
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  • evenkat
    evenkat Posts: 380
    tybird wrote:
    Yes..........do a little reading, it was briefly mentioned earlier in this thread, about what happened to Mussolini as he tried to leave Italy in advance of the Allied forces conquering/freeing that country. He was basically lynched and nasty things were done in public to his dead body by Italians, not foreign troops. Hitler knew about this and possibly feared the worst should the German people get a hold of him. He also did not want to fall into the hands of the Soviets.......a nation that he betrayed by breaking a non-agression pact with a large-scale invasion that wrecked the country's landscape and lead to the deaths of millions of its citizens. So, he killed himself....actually a very egotisical move on this part....and had the body burned to avoid public displays after his death.

    I know the full story very well. In Hitler's Last Will he stated he chooses death over surrendering and disgrace. There is a KGB version and there have been many other stories over the years, whether he committed suicide, was assassinated or even escaped, whether his body was burned right away or many years later in fear of a neo-nazi shrine.

    When there is no physical evidence to support a story there are always conspiracy theories. On the most part we want some real physical evidence in order to declare someone dead. There were some eyewitnesses who said they saw his corpse and of course there was his Last Will. He had already refused his troops from surrendering so it does seem very logical that he killed himself. I was just wondering if anyone questioned it? I love a good conspiracy theory.
    "...believe in lies...to get by...it's divine...whoa...oh, you know what its like..."
  • evenkat
    evenkat Posts: 380
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    Yep, whilst we know that not ALL Americans supported this stupidity... we know there were those who did. I was in New York when America started bombing Iraq and I remember being at a bar and hearing the guy beside me comment in disgust 'oh my god, is that FRENCH wine they're serving??? I didn't think that was legal anymore'. This wasn't just an isolated incident. I also had a guy offer to buy me a drink and then refuse when I asked for a pint of Stella ('French' beer :D )

    Lol, an Irish girl in the US asking for a French beer? Something doesn't sound right, lol. Anyhow, I've never heard of Stella or any French beer, lol. They do make some awesome wine and champagne :) .
    "...believe in lies...to get by...it's divine...whoa...oh, you know what its like..."
  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    evenkat wrote:
    I know the full story very well. In Hitler's Last Will he stated he chooses death over surrendering and disgrace. There is a KGB version and there have been many other stories over the years, whether he committed suicide, was assassinated or even escaped, whether his body was burned right away or many years later in fear of a neo-nazi shrine.

    When there is no physical evidence to support a story there are always conspiracy theories. On the most part we want some real physical evidence in order to declare someone dead. There were some eyewitnesses who said they saw his corpse and of course there was his Last Will. He had already refused his troops from surrendering so it does seem very logical that he killed himself. I was just wondering if anyone questioned it? I love a good conspiracy theory.
    Yes, questions abound.....you mentioned one of the most important characters in any conspiracy theory involving Hitler or his remains...the KGB.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    evenkat wrote:
    If it were not for the French we would be speaking English right now ;)

    Seriously, the French supported us in the Revolutionary War and our independence from Britain. Ya know that Statue of Liberty? It was their gift to us.

    http://www.nps.gov/stli/

    That comparison has already been poo-poo'd in this thread.... Don't think the 'americans' would like to admit they 'owe' anything to the French (as we 'owe' them!). And yes, they might be speaking the 'Queen's English'! :D
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    jlew24asu wrote:
    yea yea yea

    Chokes you just thinking about it, doesn't it?
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    sponger wrote:
    We are speaking english.

    ... american... you speak american... which is an english dialect.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    evenkat wrote:
    If it were not for the French we would be speaking English right now ;)

    Seriously, the French supported us in the Revolutionary War and our independence from Britain. Ya know that Statue of Liberty? It was their gift to us.

    http://www.nps.gov/stli/

    True. The French navy at Yorktown it was that made the difference, if I'm not mistaken.
  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    evenkat wrote:
    Lol, an Irish girl in the US asking for a French beer? Something doesn't sound right, lol. Anyhow, I've never heard of Stella or any French beer, lol. They do make some awesome wine and champagne :) .
    Lol, it's actually Belgian I think but I couldn't see anything French and knew he wouldn't know the difference... he'd been pissing me off with his gung ho team america attitude and I was getting really really annoyed so eventually he apologised and offered me a drink so that's what I asked for :D . He soon fucked off :D
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    Lol, it's actually Belgian I think but I couldn't see anything French and knew he wouldn't know the difference... he'd been pissing me off with his gung ho team america attitude and I was getting really really annoyed so eventually he apologised and offered me a drink so that's what I asked for :D . He soon fucked off :D

    Victory with beer! Cool! :D
  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Victory with beer! Cool! :D
    :D:D:D:D:D Yep, it felt GOOD!!!!!!!!!
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • sponger
    sponger Posts: 3,159
    I'm not sure which is more embarassing: receiving help from the french, or being beaten by the french.
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  • UKDave
    UKDave Posts: 5,557
    sponger wrote:
    I'm not sure which is more embarassing: receiving help from the french, or being beaten by the french.

    Oh I think the Brits and the French are pretty even... Agincourt, Waterloo... ;):D
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    sponger wrote:
    I'm not sure which is more embarassing: receiving help from the french, or being beaten by the french.

    I'm not sure which is more embarassing: Living in a country that has George W Bush as it's president, or living in a country that has The Gipper as it's President? :confused:;)
  • lgt
    lgt Posts: 720
    evenkat wrote:
    I know the full story very well. In Hitler's Last Will he stated he chooses death over surrendering and disgrace. There is a KGB version and there have been many other stories over the years, whether he committed suicide, was assassinated or even escaped, whether his body was burned right away or many years later in fear of a neo-nazi shrine.

    When there is no physical evidence to support a story there are always conspiracy theories. On the most part we want some real physical evidence in order to declare someone dead. There were some eyewitnesses who said they saw his corpse and of course there was his Last Will. He had already refused his troops from surrendering so it does seem very logical that he killed himself. I was just wondering if anyone questioned it? I love a good conspiracy theory.

    You also have to consider that the standard practice for high-ranking Nazis was always suicide, when captured. They had a cyanid pill just for that purpose.

    BTW, have you seen the German film on Hitler's last days? It's very well made and it's definitely worth checking out if you're interested in that time of history.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0363163/

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