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i guess you didn't read where i said i know nothing; i never claimed to; for once maybe you got some real truth...but you just think i'm picking at ya becasue you allegedly are from middle/east...not so...i'm picking at ya, becasue i don't believe you are who you say you are....and that's all.....after 22 pages of thread, i think that if a person was really affected; he or she would want respite, not embelish oneself in discussion about horrifics..dayan wrote:This is about the craziest shit I've ever seen. If you don't know that woman in Israel have the same rights and are just as liberated as anywhere else in the West than you know nothing at all about Israel.
i've called you out; and now, you have to excuse me, unless you want to continue in a personal note...if you are really an israeli woman; power to ya...power to the peaceful....if you are ootf and friends, then we have a score to settle...i have no more time to invest on this thread; it is fanning fuel for the fire.....enjoy the heat...all insanity:
a derivitive of nature.
nature is god
god is love
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long live israel and americas support for it...America...the greatest Country in the world.0
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dayan wrote:This is about the craziest shit I've ever seen. If you don't know that woman in Israel have the same rights and are just as liberated as anywhere else in the West than you know nothing at all about Israel.
We (=women) are MORE liberated here than most places in the world, US included.0 -
dayan wrote:I try to get out and they pull me back in! Obviously sarcasm is lost on you. Everything you reference here is tragic, but I don't think any of it represents more then the terrible loss of life associated with armed conflicts. I've already noted elsewhere that the building hit in Qana was being used to store missiles and missile launchers, and that civilians were warned to leave. The explosion on the Gaza beach has been shown to have been caused by explosives buried in the sand, probably by Hamas, and not as first reported by an Israeli shell. The rest is tragic, but not criminal.
"The explosion on the Gaza beach has been shown to have been caused by explosives buried in the sand, probably by Hamas, and not as first reported by an Israeli shell."
I am amazed at the lengths to which you will go to defend your viewpoint. You know full well that there were no explosives in the sand. An independent iinvestigation found Israels claims that that there were explosives in the sand laughable. The Israelis had been firing shells from the sea all morning. Why perpetuate these sick lies Davan?
"...an expert working for the Human Rights Watch said the Palestinians' injuries were not consistent with a blast taking place beneath them.
"It has been suggested by some that the family was killed by a land mine, and this is patently not the case," Mark Garlasco said.
"All of the evidence is pointing to a 155mm shell as having killed and injured the Palestinians here on the beach," he said.
"My assessment [is] that it's likely that this was incoming artillery fire that landed on the beach and was fired by the Israelis from the north of Gaza."
Reacting to earlier reports that the Israeli inquiry would blame the blast on a mine planted by Hamas, a Hamas spokesman accused Israel of "shying away from its responsibilities over this atrocious crime".
"These Israeli allegations are false and lack any credibility," Ghazi Hamad said.0 -
miller8966 wrote:long live israel and americas support for it...
Long live justice and those that fight against injustice and corrupt militaristic rogue states like Israel and the U.S.0 -
dayan wrote:Israel tried repeatedly to end the occupation only to find that the more they gave up to the Palestinians the more they were hated and attacked. The fact is the more territory Israel turned over to the Palestinians the more terrorism they faced.
BBC News - Saturday, 10 June 2006
Hamas militants vow to end truce
The shelling has caused outrage among Palestinians
The military wing of the Palestinian militant group Hamas has said it will no longer respect a self-imposed truce.
In a statement on its website, the Izzedine al-Qassam Brigade said Israeli "massacres" had spurred the decision.
Seven people, including three children, died on Friday when Israeli shells hit a beach in the Gaza Strip, Palestinian officials say.
Hamas government spokesman Ghazi Hamad told the BBC that Israel's attacks justified the move to end the truce.
"No-one can say to our people you have to be patient, you have to be polite," he said.
"It is our right to fight the occupation, it is our right to defend ourselves, it is our right to protect our people."
It was a horrible scene, unbelievable. I'm not going to enjoy the summer on that shore for the rest of my life
Sami
Gaza
The Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas declared three days of mourning following the bombing.
Hamas's armed wing posted a message on its website and distributed leaflets declaring the end of a ceasefire that had held since February 2005.
"The Israeli massacres represent a direct opening battle and that means the earthquake in the Zionist cities will resume and the herds of occupiers have no choice but to prepare the coffins or the departing luggage," the statement read.[/b]
The BBC's Simon Wilson in Jerusalem says there have been similar threats to respond to previous attacks, but the official nature of this response appears significant.
'Scattered remains'
The statement came hours after the seven reported deaths on a beach near the northern Gaza town of Beit Lahiya. At least 30 people were wounded.
Eyewitness Sami Yousef told the BBC News website people lying on the ground badly injured, crying.
"There were remains scattered along the beach. Three children were there, two with severe deep cuts in their heads," he said.
TV pictures suggest a family was on a picnic when the disaster struck
"One girl was just screaming, crying out for her father."
The BBC's Alan Johnston in Gaza says it looks very much as if this was a family enjoying their Friday afternoon off on the beach when disaster struck.
For many months, the Israelis have regularly shelled open areas such as fields and orchards in an effort to prevent Palestinian militants using them to fire their crudely made missiles into nearby Israeli territory.
An Israeli army spokesman said chief of staff Dan Halutz had ordered an immediate stop to all artillery shelling of Gaza while an investigation was carried out into the incident.
Four other people were also killed in separate Israeli air strikes in northern Gaza on Friday, Palestinians said.
And on Thursday, a senior Palestinian security official close to the Hamas government, Jamal Abu Samhadana, was killed in an Israeli air strike, sparking angry demonstrations in Rafah, southern Gaza.
Speaking before the Hamas statement, Mr Abbas condemned the Israeli strikes in Gaza.
"What the Israeli occupation forces are doing in the Gaza Strip constitutes a war of extermination and bloody massacres against our people," he said.
UN Secretary General Kofi Annan said he was "deeply disturbed" by the killings and called for a full investigation.
The foreign ministers of Russia and the UK also condemned the strike.0 -
in a previous topic you asked about international law. Well, international law, in the 4th geneva convention states that all the measures must be ensured to avoid kill of civilians. This clearly didn't happen here. I have a question for you: do you think that if the building would have been full of Israeli people, instead than Lebanese, along with some Hezbullah fighters, the israeli army would have bombed it in the same way?dayan wrote:I try to get out and they pull me back in! Obviously sarcasm is lost on you. Everything you reference here is tragic, but I don't think any of it represents more then the terrible loss of life associated with armed conflicts. I've already noted elsewhere that the building hit in Qana was being used to store missiles and missile launchers, and that civilians were warned to leave. The explosion on the Gaza beach has been shown to have been caused by explosives buried in the sand, probably by Hamas, and not as first reported by an Israeli shell. The rest is tragic, but not criminal.www.amnesty.org
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No dayan, this is a biased point of viewdayan wrote:However, Israel tried repeatedly to end the occupation only to find that the more they gave up to the Palestinians the more they were hated and attacked. The fact is the more territory Israel turned over to the Palestinians the more terrorism they faced.www.amnesty.org
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dayan wrote:I try to get out and they pull me back in! Obviously sarcasm is lost on you. Everything you reference here is tragic, but I don't think any of it represents more then the terrible loss of life associated with armed conflicts. I've already noted elsewhere that the building hit in Qana was being used to store missiles and missile launchers, and that civilians were warned to leave. The explosion on the Gaza beach has been shown to have been caused by explosives buried in the sand, probably by Hamas, and not as first reported by an Israeli shell. The rest is tragic, but not criminal.
You "..have noted elsewhere that the building hit in Qana was being used to store missiles and missile launchers, and that civilians were warned to leave." So again you attempt to justify the massacre of 56 civilians, 36 of whom were children, just as yesterday you attempted to justify the killing of the 4 U.N observers, and the use of torture by the IDF. It is therefore obvious that you will attempt to defend all and any atrocity carried out by your government.
By the way, the 56 people murdered by your people yesterday were sheltering in the basement of the 3 storey house from the Israeli bombardment. This was a war crime. Pure and simple. Though no doubt you will try your hardest to justify it.
The fact that so many Lebanese still remain in the south of the country in their towns and villages is because when they have attempted to flee at the behest of the Israelis, they have then been targeted on the roads north, along with U.N vehcles and red cross ambulances. But again, I'm sure you will try your hardest to justify this.0 -
Puck78 wrote:No dayan, this is a biased point of view
Its not a point of view, Its one feeling anyone who lives here felt/feels/will feel in some point of his life. I felt it after Hamas (=terror organization who don't believe in Israel right to exist) was elected right after the Gaza withdrawal, and then almost immediately started shooting at Israeli town of Sderot. I actually felt betrayed. Sometimes, I still feel that way.0 -
there's a lot of things that happened after the elections, wrong from both the sides. From the right side of hamas: they imposed a ceasefire that was indeed valid, also the Brigades of Al'Aqsa obeied to it. Still little groups didn't obey, but you'll agree that the majority agreed, so it is not like dayan said that you "faced more terrorism". From the wrong side: they didn't recognise israel.shiraz wrote:Its not a point of view, Its one feeling anyone who lives here felt/feels/will feel in some point of his life. I felt it after Hamas (=terror organization who don't believe in Israel right to exist) was elected right after the Gaza withdrawal, and then almost immediately started shooting at Israeli town of Sderot. I actually felt betrayed. Sometimes, I still feel that way.
From the wrong side of israel: they amplified the colonies in the west bank. They stopped, together with the USA, the humanitarian aid to the palestinians due to the not recognision of isreal by hamas (this was a huge mistake, that hit the population). They didn't have the courage to go into diplomatic talks with hamas. You might say that you can't go into diplomatic talks with someone not recognising your existence, but still sometimes peace requires big courage...www.amnesty.org
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shiraz, please, give me a definition of the word "terrorist" that wouldn't include also the USA, UK, Israel, Italy, Russian, etc etc etc activities.www.amnesty.org
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Puck78 wrote:there's a lot of things that happened after the elections, wrong from both the sides. From the right side of hamas: they imposed a ceasefire that was indeed valid, also the Brigades of Al'Aqsa obeied to it. Still little groups didn't obey, but you'll agree that the majority agreed, so it is not like dayan said that you "faced more terrorism". From the wrong side: they didn't recognise israel.
From the wrong side of israel: they amplified the colonies in the west bank. They stopped, together with the USA, the humanitarian aid to the palestinians due to the not recognision of isreal by hamas (this was a huge mistake, that hit the population). They didn't have the courage to go into diplomatic talks with hamas. You might say that you can't go into diplomatic talks with someone not recognising your existence, but still sometimes peace requires big courage...
You don't have to tell me the details, all I'm saying dayan was expressing a feeling, not a point of view - that's it. I'm very aware to all the things we've done, but when Hamas was elected by 80% of the Palestinians... really, I felt like someone stubed me in the heart. 80% it's alot, 80% of Palestinians didn't think I got the right to live even after the Gaza withdrawal. Do you see where my point it?0 -
Puck78 wrote:shiraz, please, give me a definition of the word "terrorist" that wouldn't include also the USA, UK, Israel, Italy, Russian, etc etc etc activities.
Forget it, I'm not gonna start a debate about definitions. For me, one who believes death & murder of jews (or any other nation) is a glorified & sacred act, is a terrorist. For me, Terrorism = state of mind, and that's why Israel is not a terrorist (sure there are some people who think we should kill all arabs, but that's a very small minority), Israel govt is not a terrorist, but Hamas is a group of terrorists, and so is Hizbullah.0 -
shiraz wrote:Forget it, I'm not gonna start a debate about definitions. For me, one who believes death & murder of jews (or any other nation) is a glorified & sacred act, is a terrorist. For me, Terrorism = state of mind, and that's why Israel is not a terrorist (sure there are some people who think we should kill all arabs, but that's a very small minority), Israel govt is not a terrorist, but Hamas is a group of terrorists, and so is Hizbullah.
That is the most ridiculous, one-eyed, bigoted statement I've ever read on this message board.
"Terrorism = state of mind, and that's why Israel is not a terrorist.."
Those on this board who are struggling to defend the terrorist actions of the Israeli government are looking increasingly desperate and pitiful.0 -
Puck78 wrote:in a previous topic you asked about international law. Well, international law, in the 4th geneva convention states that all the measures must be ensured to avoid kill of civilians. This clearly didn't happen here. I have a question for you: do you think that if the building would have been full of Israeli people, instead than Lebanese, along with some Hezbullah fighters, the israeli army would have bombed it in the same way?
To begin with it hasn't been proven that Israel hit the building. Israel hit targets near the building between 12 and 1 AM. The building didn't collapse until about 7 or 8 AM, which suggests that it very possibly had nothing or very little to do with the Israeli air strike. Furthermore, assuming that this is the IDF's fault (which I am still on the fence over) I'm sure the IDF did not know that so many civilians would be killed. The fact is that the IDF is not stupid and they learn from history. In the 90's they had to suspend another operation in Lebanon because of the accidental targeting of a building in Qana that resulted in 100 civilian deaths. The IDF knows full well what the international response to such an action would be, and therefore would not have killed those people intentionally. (I also think that the IDF strives to act in a moral way, and therefore, and this is the primary reason, would not have targeted intentionally a building they knew to be full of innocent civilians.)0 -
dayan wrote:it hasn't been proven that Israel hit the building...In the 90's they had to suspend another operation in Lebanon because of the accidental targeting of a building in Qana that resulted in 100 civilian deaths.
In light of your comments above it is obvious that you will give your unconditional support for every single act of Israeli terrorism. Your lame excuses, and justifications are truly sick. I suppose that you believe the illegal occupation and the resulting terror which follows from it is also 'an accident'.0
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