was 9/11 an inside job?

Ahnimus · August 2007

There is definitely a whole lot of circumstantial evidence on the conspiracy theory side. No real smoking gun though. It's hard to say. The buildings collapsing does seem pretty strange. Pretty strange things do happen in reality, but so do conspiracies. They happen all the time. Who isn't part of a conspiracy? How do you avoid flocking with like-minded people? We all connect with mostly like-minded people of similar backgrounds. Shit happens all the time.

I honestly think it's more probable that their was some kind of conspiracy then the events taking place without at least some knowledge of the event. Building 7 collapsed and silverstein admitted it. That's the best evidence. The only way to do that is if the building had explosives planted in it. That's what needed to be investigated. How could they demolish a 47 floor building in a short period of time, short enough to prevent an 'imminent' collapse. You would have to notice major structural failure to predict such a collapse, and how long would you have before it actually did collapse? And how are you gonna implode a building that is a raging inferno that was falling apart? Silverstein should have been pushed hard in investigation. He should have been interrogated to break him down and find out what really happened with WTC7. How did they "pull" the building?

The MO of WTC7 matches WTC1/2. Assuming trickery was afoot with WTC7 it would be worth investigating those collapses for pre-planted explosives. Then comparing the current collapse models with models that include different demolition methods. I mean it would be worth a shot and unless the government does it, it's not gonna change anything. But I still wonder why the JFK files classified status was extended. Hasn't it been long enough to declassify the files? They declassified all that bay of pigs stuff, why not anything on the JFK assassination?

I think all of these questions are solved with a little co-operation with the government. The number of people asking for clarification of historical events are constantly denied access to files. How could these files affect us now if we all knew what they read? That's the question. Secrecy is bad man, really bad.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · August 2007

Which country should be the one to rise up and control global resources?

It's a population issue. Pick the lesser of two evils, and face the hard facts.

Singing kumbaya, toking spliffs, and going 100% humanitarian on the issue just isn't going to cut it heading into peak oil.

Should the Saudi's become the New america, and we all follow the Quran come 2020?

Maybe bring back public be-headings?

What should the US do in regards to then?

What should be happening?

Byrnzie · August 2007

Ahnimus wrote:

There is definitely a whole lot of circumstantial evidence on the conspiracy theory side. No real smoking gun though. It's hard to say. The buildings collapsing does seem pretty strange. Pretty strange things do happen in reality, but so do conspiracies. They happen all the time. Who isn't part of a conspiracy? How do you avoid flocking with like-minded people? We all connect with mostly like-minded people of similar backgrounds. Shit happens all the time.

I honestly think it's more probable that their was some kind of conspiracy then the events taking place without at least some knowledge of the event. Building 7 collapsed and silverstein admitted it. That's the best evidence. The only way to do that is if the building had explosives planted in it. That's what needed to be investigated. How could they demolish a 47 floor building in a short period of time, short enough to prevent an 'imminent' collapse. You would have to notice major structural failure to predict such a collapse, and how long would you have before it actually did collapse? And how are you gonna implode a building that is a raging inferno that was falling apart? Silverstein should have been pushed hard in investigation. He should have been interrogated to break him down and find out what really happened with WTC7. How did they "pull" the building?

The MO of WTC7 matches WTC1/2. Assuming trickery was afoot with WTC7 it would be worth investigating those collapses for pre-planted explosives. Then comparing the current collapse models with models that include different demolition methods. I mean it would be worth a shot and unless the government does it, it's not gonna change anything. But I still wonder why the JFK files classified status was extended. Hasn't it been long enough to declassify the files? They declassified all that bay of pigs stuff, why not anything on the JFK assassination?

I think all of these questions are solved with a little co-operation with the government. The number of people asking for clarification of historical events are constantly denied access to files. How could these files affect us now if we all knew what they read? That's the question. Secrecy is bad man, really bad.

We can simply focus on just one thing here and the whole case propped up by those in power falls apart. I.e, Why were no planes sent to intercept the hijacked aircraft until it was too late? That same year jets were scrambled over 100 times in false alarm scenerio's regarding suspected hijacked aircraft. 9/11 was the first time that no planes were scrambled. It was also the first time that Dick Cheney happened to have been placed in command of overall control of America's air defence.
Go figure!
These 'project for a new American century' war mongers wanted their 'new pearl harbour', and they got exactly what they wanted.

catefrances · August 2007

the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job sickens me. i don't even want to think it's a possibility.

spiral out · August 2007

catefrances wrote:

the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job sickens me. i don't even want to think it's a possibility.

Why goverments have doing stuff like that throughout history. Whats so different about today.

The amount of people killed in south america through US support of dictators
(dictators that they put into power) over the years sickens me far more.

catefrances · August 2007

spiral out wrote:

Why goverments have doing stuff like that throughout history. Whats so different about today.

The amount of people killed in south america through US support of dictators
(dictators that they put into power) over the years sickens me far more.

why? cause it makes my skin crawl that any government would do that to its own people.

jsaso · August 2007

catefrances wrote:

why? cause it makes my skin crawl that any government would do that to its own people.

america was suckered into vietnam with an attack on american
marriens that NEVER happened...
and again america is suckered into a war in iraq...
muslims just dont want american bases in the middle east...
why did america fight with hussein????

angryyoungman · August 2007

no, now stop this nonsense

jsaso · August 2007

there is not a single proof that 9/11 isnt the work off
us goverment...
so you that dont believe the truth...
explaine the free fall collaps?
the explosions in the basement?
norad?
"19" terrorist -6 of them alive
100.000 dollars payement to mohammed atta
building 7?
where are the remains of the "aircraft" that crashed in shaksville
where are the 80 tapes tha show what REALY happend in pentagon???
then i will have another series of Q for you

jlew24asu · August 2007

jsaso wrote:

there is not a single proof that 9/11 isnt the work off
us goverment...
so you that dont believe the truth...
explaine the free fall collaps?
the explosions in the basement?
norad?
"19" terrorist -6 of them alive
100.000 dollars payement to mohammed atta
building 7?
where are the remains of the "aircraft" that crashed in shaksville
where are the 80 tapes tha show what REALY happend in pentagon???
then i will have another series of Q for you

you said it yourself. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com its gotta be true.

spiral out · August 2007

jlew24asu wrote:

you said it yourself. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com its gotta be true.

Are you scared of people asking questions? All you do is mock.

Maybe if you took the time to study a little history you might find that the world isn't as rosy as you like to think it is, especially the US past.

jlew24asu · August 2007

spiral out wrote:

Are you scared of people asking questions? All you do is mock.

Maybe if you took the time to study a little history you might find that the world isn't as rosy as you like to think it is, especially the US past.

we have been over this 9/11 issue countless times here. there is zero proof the government was involved.

so some new guy comes on here and starts posting all this garbage, i'm going to mock him. if he keeps it up, I will take the time again to expose how mis guided he is

spiral out · August 2007

jlew24asu wrote:

we have been over this 9/11 issue countless times here. there is zero proof the government was involved.

so some new guy comes on here and starts posting all this garbage, i'm going to mock him. if he keeps it up, I will take the time again to expose how mis guided he is

And show me the prove the goverment didn't know or wasn't involved.

Do you really believe a passport of one of the highjackers fell to the floor in new york. Or that a fingerprint on a barely existent plane that supposedly crashed into the pentagon is real or even that of a highjacker?

Why not argue him some of your goverment facts instead of mocking. At the end of the day mocking him makes you look like a fool.

jlew24asu · August 2007

spiral out wrote:

And show me the prove the goverment didn't know or wasn't involved.

the government did know el queda wanted to use planes to attack us. they failed miserably to stop it. does that mean they were part of it? no

spiral out wrote:

Do you really believe a passport of one of the highjackers fell to the floor in new york. Or that a fingerprint on a barely existent plane that supposedly crashed into the pentagon is real or even that of a highjacker?

no I dont. I believe this is part of the cover up they did to protect themselves from being so stupid

spiral out wrote:

Why not argue him some of your goverment facts instead of mocking. At the end of the day mocking him makes you look like a fool.

yea but its so fun sometimes.

angryyoungman · August 2007

jsaso wrote:

there is not a single proof that 9/11 isnt the work off
us goverment...
so you that dont believe the truth...
explaine the free fall collaps?
the explosions in the basement?
norad?
"19" terrorist -6 of them alive
100.000 dollars payement to mohammed atta
building 7?
where are the remains of the "aircraft" that crashed in shaksville
where are the 80 tapes tha show what REALY happend in pentagon???
then i will have another series of Q for you

i cant wait. . .sounds exciting

jlew24asu · August 2007

jsaso wrote:

there is not a single proof that 9/11 isnt the work off
us goverment...

its your job to prove they were.

jsaso wrote:

explaine the free fall collaps?

gravity

jsaso wrote:

the explosions in the basement?

were you there? did you hear an explosion? maybe something falling from 90 stories up, hitting the ground, could sound like an explosion.

jsaso wrote:

norad?

utter failure by the us government

jsaso wrote:

"19" terrorist -6 of them alive

holy shit they are alive? were at?

jsaso wrote:

100.000 dollars payement to mohammed atta

from the pakistani government you mean right? is this proven? and if so what does it change?

jsaso wrote:

building 7?

NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down

jsaso wrote:

where are the remains of the "aircraft" that crashed in shaksville

the plane hit the ground at 545mph. what did you expect to remain intact?

jsaso wrote:

where are the 80 tapes tha show what REALY happend in pentagon???

80 tapes? that sounds like a fun made up number. several tapes do exist. and will be released to the public in time with the freedom of information act.

jsaso wrote:

then i will have another series of Q for you

i'm on the edge of my seat. try harder to spell things correctly and stop destroying the english language.

LikeAnOcean · August 2007

jsaso wrote:

the guy who build WTC said the building can take multiple strikes

Did he ever have a chance to really test his theory? Probably not.

I think its good to question things, but who do you think set this up? Bush? Did they have secret underground meetings about how they were going to kill 3000 Americans?.. Who gets the idea to do this and how do they bring it up a meeting without being a little awkward?

If by inside job, you means humans did this to themselves, then yes.

spiral out · August 2007

jlew24asu wrote:

its your job to prove they were.

It's Your job to prove your so called facts too.

jlew24asu wrote:

were you there? did you hear an explosion? maybe something falling from 90 stories up, hitting the ground, could sound like an explosion.
utter failure by the us government

We'll take the accounts of the people in the building far more reliable than what the goverment decides to spew out. Prove they we're not explosions.

jlew24asu wrote:

holy shit they are alive? were at?

Are you serious? You didn't know that, try looking at media outside of the US.

jlew24asu wrote:

NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down

They had to keep rewriting the computer program to get it to come up with that.

jlew24asu wrote:

the plane hit the ground at 545mph. what did you expect to remain intact?

Funny how no other plane crashes ever just vaporised into thin air.

spiral out · August 2007

LikeAnOcean wrote:

Did he ever have a chance to really test his theory? Probably not.

I think its good to question things, but who do you think set this up? Bush? Did they have secret underground meetings about how they were going to kill 3000 Americans?.. Who gets the idea to do this and how do they bring it up a meeting without being a little awkward?

If by inside job, you means humans did this to themselves, then yes.

Are you serious have you ever read any declasified us military documents in your life?

They come up with plans like this all the time. Just serch them out.

sonicreducer · August 2007

jsaso wrote:

both sides?

1. A Moving Train Politics, current events - reasoned debate and discussion - we can all learn something new.

2. Try not to be so intense. We have to discuss theses theories in detail piece by piece. You need to provide links to actual research and not somebody else's you saw in a documentary. I've seen them all,... trust me, but you won't get anywhere on this board with threads like this. If you want people to believe what you say is fact, you have to work really hard to prove them wrong. You can't come on here being all sensationalistic without the links and facts right beside it.

jsaso wrote:

pentagon...plane didnt crash there, shanksville plane didnt crash there,
wtc planes were crashed by the us goverment

show me your reasoning,... show me your research,...

was 9/11 an inside job?

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