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was 9/11 an inside job?

jsasojsaso Posts: 179
edited August 2007 in A Moving Train
well ... if you look at the facts...i cant believe people think
usa goverment didnt have anything to do with it...
building 7, NORAD, the free fall demolition, pentagon, basement explosions ...
fuck man...it just hit me that 3ooo americans were killed by americans
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  • robbierobbie Posts: 883
    i dont know about that. i would not go as far as to say it was an inside job, but the problem with being lied to so often is that you grow to assume the worst.
  • jsasojsaso Posts: 179
    robbie wrote:
    i dont know about that. i would not go as far as to say it was an inside job, but the problem with being lied to so often is that you grow to assume the worst.

    well no steel buildings have never droped cause of fire...
    and if you havent ...watch this...

    http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

    a man in a fucking cave couldnt made NORAD stepp down...
    F-16-s could easaly shoot down those plains before new york
  • sonicreducersonicreducer Posts: 713
    jsaso wrote:
    well ... if you look at the facts...i cant believe people think
    usa goverment didnt have anything to do with it...
    building 7, NORAD, the free fall demolition, pentagon, basement explosions ...
    fuck man...it just hit me that 3ooo americans were killed by americans


    just make sure you read both sides of the argument,...
    you're a real hooker. im gonna slap you in public.
    ~Ron Burgundy
  • robbierobbie Posts: 883
    jsaso wrote:
    well no steel buildings have never droped cause of fire...
    and if you havent ...watch this...

    http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

    a man in a fucking cave couldnt made NORAD stepp down...
    F-16-s could easaly shoot down those plains before new york


    like i said, i know i am being lied to.... i know that we are not being told the whole story, but i dont know that that means our government planned and executed the deal. i dont rule it out, but i also do not fully buy into it. that is the problem when you are lied to, you have to draw your own conclusions as to what really happened and why you are being lied to about it. did our government fly planes into the world trade center? i dont know. did al qaeda fly planes into the WTC with with no involvement of the u.s. government? i dont know. im sure the truth lies somewhere in between. i know that when a crime is committed you should usually look at who had the most to gain from it when trying to figure out who did it... and without a doubt the bush administration has benefited from it in ways we would never imagine had it not taken place... but that does not mean they were behind it. but that on top of the fact that we are not being told the real story leaves plenty of room for speculation and doubt. i am more willing to believe that they had prior knowledge and let it happen so they could reap the rewards, but i dont put anything past them. without evidence i cannot say i know who did it, or why it was done, or who knew what when. do i think the bush administration WOULD attack their own country in order to gain more power.... of course. but we will never know the truth.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    It's fishy. Unfortunately it's impossible to do anything without a smoking gun, like a testimony.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • CorporateWhoreCorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    jsaso wrote:
    well ... if you look at the facts...i cant believe people think
    usa goverment didnt have anything to do with it...
    building 7, NORAD, the free fall demolition, pentagon, basement explosions ...
    fuck man...it just hit me that 3ooo americans were killed by americans

    you have no idea what you are talking about
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • robbierobbie Posts: 883
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    you have no idea what you are talking about


    that is the problem.... nobody knows what they are talking about because we are not being told the truth.
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Don't know. I'm no tin-foil-hatter, but the very first thing I said on 9/11, watching the thing on TV, was, "Fuck me, look at this for an inside job!"
  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    jsaso wrote:
    well no steel buildings have never droped cause of fire...
    True, but I would also think a 220 Ton jet traveling at 300 mph would have more to with with the collapse than the fire alone. :rolleyes:

    The beams were already severely damaged to a point where eventually they would give to fire. It had more to do with physics than chemistry alone.



    Yes, I hate our administration and think this war is bullshit.

    No, I do not believe 9/11 is an inside job. I'm not saying they didn't know it was going to happen. I'm not saying they didn't purposely let the terrorists slip under their noses.. I don't believe they (our government) set it up. I've watched the videos that think so and I've watched videos that disprove those...

    Yes, our government is using 9/11 is an excuse to do things it wouldn't normally be able to do.
  • tama_drummer91tama_drummer91 Posts: 205
    We will never know for sure. I dont believe that our govt. set it up, but Ive been wrong before. We all have.
    My first PJ show to witness was at Bonnaroo. How is that for lucky?
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    jsaso wrote:
    well ... if you look at the facts...i cant believe people think
    usa goverment didnt have anything to do with it...
    building 7, NORAD, the free fall demolition, pentagon, basement explosions ...
    fuck man...it just hit me that 3ooo americans were killed by americans

    o no not again
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    you have no idea what you are talking about

    And Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman that shot Kennedy, right?
  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    jsaso wrote:
    ...it just hit me that 3ooo americans were killed by americans

    jsaso, not to be picky but I would like to point out that not everyone that died in the 9/11 attacks was American. There were people from all over the world killed that day. Think it's important to acknowledge that.
    NOPE!!!

    *~You're IT Bert!~*

    Hold on to the thread
    The currents will shift
  • sonicreducersonicreducer Posts: 713
    these threads are all pointless unless they are talking about specific issues that can be debated with evidence and good sources,...
    you're a real hooker. im gonna slap you in public.
    ~Ron Burgundy
  • jsasojsaso Posts: 179
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    True, but I would also think a 220 Ton jet traveling at 300 mph would have more to with with the collapse than the fire alone. :rolleyes:

    The beams were already severely damaged to a point where eventually they would give to fire. It had more to do with physics than chemistry alone.



    Yes, I hate our administration and think this war is bullshit.

    No, I do not believe 9/11 is an inside job. I'm not saying they didn't know it was going to happen. I'm not saying they didn't purposely let the terrorists slip under their noses.. I don't believe they (our government) set it up. I've watched the videos that think so and I've watched videos that disprove those...

    Yes, our government is using 9/11 is an excuse to do things it wouldn't normally be able to do.

    the guy who build WTC said the building can take multiple strikes
    ...and explaine building 7...it wasnt hit by a plane
  • jsasojsaso Posts: 179
    sonicreducer wrote:
    just make sure you read both sides of the argument,...

    both sides?
    hmmm...ok a man in a fucking cave organized a plan were 19 "terrorist"
    (which 6 of them are still alive by the way) stole 4 planes and crashed them into us targest???
    pentagon...plane didnt crash there, shanksville plane didnt crash there,
    wtc planes were crashed by the us goverment
  • Eliot RosewaterEliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    sonicreducer wrote:
    just make sure you read both sides of the argument,...
    but everyone knows the other side of the argument. it's the one we were spoon fed from this bullshit administration from day one. it's the side of the argument that most people believed for a very long time until the truth became pretty obvious...thanks to the truthers.
  • jsasojsaso Posts: 179
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    you have no idea what you are talking about

    realy? barack obama and hillary are supprorted by the bankers!
    so, when one of them will be elected expect another war...
    wake up! afganistan/iraq are illegal wars started just so us could have a strong base in the middle east and othe criminal reasons
  • Eliot RosewaterEliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    jsaso wrote:
    was 9/11 an inside job?
    uhhhh.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duh
  • jsasojsaso Posts: 179
    sonicreducer wrote:
    these threads are all pointless unless they are talking about specific issues that can be debated with evidence and good sources,...
    good sources???? try NYC fireman that were injured in a BASEMENT explosion before the planes hit!!! you know that the beam of the WTC was CUT in an angle...demolition was control....no doubt about it...
    there are 10000000000000000 things that point at the us goverment...
    if this wasnt true....it would be an exeption to the rule
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    There is definitely a whole lot of circumstantial evidence on the conspiracy theory side. No real smoking gun though. It's hard to say. The buildings collapsing does seem pretty strange. Pretty strange things do happen in reality, but so do conspiracies. They happen all the time. Who isn't part of a conspiracy? How do you avoid flocking with like-minded people? We all connect with mostly like-minded people of similar backgrounds. Shit happens all the time.

    I honestly think it's more probable that their was some kind of conspiracy then the events taking place without at least some knowledge of the event. Building 7 collapsed and silverstein admitted it. That's the best evidence. The only way to do that is if the building had explosives planted in it. That's what needed to be investigated. How could they demolish a 47 floor building in a short period of time, short enough to prevent an 'imminent' collapse. You would have to notice major structural failure to predict such a collapse, and how long would you have before it actually did collapse? And how are you gonna implode a building that is a raging inferno that was falling apart? Silverstein should have been pushed hard in investigation. He should have been interrogated to break him down and find out what really happened with WTC7. How did they "pull" the building?

    The MO of WTC7 matches WTC1/2. Assuming trickery was afoot with WTC7 it would be worth investigating those collapses for pre-planted explosives. Then comparing the current collapse models with models that include different demolition methods. I mean it would be worth a shot and unless the government does it, it's not gonna change anything. But I still wonder why the JFK files classified status was extended. Hasn't it been long enough to declassify the files? They declassified all that bay of pigs stuff, why not anything on the JFK assassination?

    I think all of these questions are solved with a little co-operation with the government. The number of people asking for clarification of historical events are constantly denied access to files. How could these files affect us now if we all knew what they read? That's the question. Secrecy is bad man, really bad.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Which country should be the one to rise up and control global resources?

    It's a population issue. Pick the lesser of two evils, and face the hard facts.

    Singing kumbaya, toking spliffs, and going 100% humanitarian on the issue just isn't going to cut it heading into peak oil.

    Should the Saudi's become the New america, and we all follow the Quran come 2020?

    Maybe bring back public be-headings?

    What should the US do in regards to then?

    What should be happening?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Ahnimus wrote:
    There is definitely a whole lot of circumstantial evidence on the conspiracy theory side. No real smoking gun though. It's hard to say. The buildings collapsing does seem pretty strange. Pretty strange things do happen in reality, but so do conspiracies. They happen all the time. Who isn't part of a conspiracy? How do you avoid flocking with like-minded people? We all connect with mostly like-minded people of similar backgrounds. Shit happens all the time.

    I honestly think it's more probable that their was some kind of conspiracy then the events taking place without at least some knowledge of the event. Building 7 collapsed and silverstein admitted it. That's the best evidence. The only way to do that is if the building had explosives planted in it. That's what needed to be investigated. How could they demolish a 47 floor building in a short period of time, short enough to prevent an 'imminent' collapse. You would have to notice major structural failure to predict such a collapse, and how long would you have before it actually did collapse? And how are you gonna implode a building that is a raging inferno that was falling apart? Silverstein should have been pushed hard in investigation. He should have been interrogated to break him down and find out what really happened with WTC7. How did they "pull" the building?

    The MO of WTC7 matches WTC1/2. Assuming trickery was afoot with WTC7 it would be worth investigating those collapses for pre-planted explosives. Then comparing the current collapse models with models that include different demolition methods. I mean it would be worth a shot and unless the government does it, it's not gonna change anything. But I still wonder why the JFK files classified status was extended. Hasn't it been long enough to declassify the files? They declassified all that bay of pigs stuff, why not anything on the JFK assassination?

    I think all of these questions are solved with a little co-operation with the government. The number of people asking for clarification of historical events are constantly denied access to files. How could these files affect us now if we all knew what they read? That's the question. Secrecy is bad man, really bad.

    We can simply focus on just one thing here and the whole case propped up by those in power falls apart. I.e, Why were no planes sent to intercept the hijacked aircraft until it was too late? That same year jets were scrambled over 100 times in false alarm scenerio's regarding suspected hijacked aircraft. 9/11 was the first time that no planes were scrambled. It was also the first time that Dick Cheney happened to have been placed in command of overall control of America's air defence.
    Go figure!
    These 'project for a new American century' war mongers wanted their 'new pearl harbour', and they got exactly what they wanted.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job sickens me. i don't even want to think it's a possibility.
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    catefrances wrote:
    the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job sickens me. i don't even want to think it's a possibility.

    Why goverments have doing stuff like that throughout history. Whats so different about today.

    The amount of people killed in south america through US support of dictators
    (dictators that they put into power) over the years sickens me far more.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    spiral out wrote:
    Why goverments have doing stuff like that throughout history. Whats so different about today.

    The amount of people killed in south america through US support of dictators
    (dictators that they put into power) over the years sickens me far more.

    why? cause it makes my skin crawl that any government would do that to its own people.
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • jsasojsaso Posts: 179
    catefrances wrote:
    why? cause it makes my skin crawl that any government would do that to its own people.
    america was suckered into vietnam with an attack on american
    marriens that NEVER happened...
    and again america is suckered into a war in iraq...
    muslims just dont want american bases in the middle east...
    why did america fight with hussein????
  • angryyoungmanangryyoungman Medford, NY Posts: 1,028
    no, now stop this nonsense
    i have wished for so long, how i wish for you today
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    finally, FUCK TICKETMASTER
  • jsasojsaso Posts: 179
    there is not a single proof that 9/11 isnt the work off
    us goverment...
    so you that dont believe the truth...
    explaine the free fall collaps?
    the explosions in the basement?
    norad?
    "19" terrorist -6 of them alive
    100.000 dollars payement to mohammed atta
    building 7?
    where are the remains of the "aircraft" that crashed in shaksville
    where are the 80 tapes tha show what REALY happend in pentagon???
    then i will have another series of Q for you
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    jsaso wrote:
    there is not a single proof that 9/11 isnt the work off
    us goverment...
    so you that dont believe the truth...
    explaine the free fall collaps?
    the explosions in the basement?
    norad?
    "19" terrorist -6 of them alive
    100.000 dollars payement to mohammed atta
    building 7?
    where are the remains of the "aircraft" that crashed in shaksville
    where are the 80 tapes tha show what REALY happend in pentagon???
    then i will have another series of Q for you

    you said it yourself. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com its gotta be true.
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