Hello from Israel

Byrnzie wrote:

O.k, so if we are adherring to any type of mral equivalency here then it is logical to assume that for Palestinians to not respond to repeated unprovoked aggression from Israel means that every Israeli would have learned the lesson that you can kill Palestinians without any consequences?
You say that Israel was forced into its current actions? Really? And was Israel forced into re-occupying Gaza and administering massive destruction and loss of life? It seems like you are saying that Israel is constantly being forced into the tragic act of having to terrorize it's neighbours. If the U.S hadn't singulary vetoed every U/N resolution for the past 38 years offering a two state solution to this crises then perhaps this ongoing tragedy could have been avoided.

Are you bat shit crazy? what world do you live in? Israel does not act against the Palestinians without provocation. If the Palestinians had not started lobbing rockets into Israel from Gaza the minute Israel withdrew completely from Gaza, and then crossed the border to kill and kidnap Israeli soldiers on Israeli soil, there would have been no Israeli actions against the Palestinians in Gaza whatsoever. Period. Yes, Israel is constantly being forced to act in its own defense because Hezbollah and Hamas and Islamic Jihad and Syria, and Iran and many many others, refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist and strive constantly to attack her. As for a two state solution, that is now accepted by virtually every Israeli, and is the stated policy of the Israeli government. A two state solution is what Israel offered the Palestinians in 2000. A two state solution is what Arafat walked away from. So don't you dare lecture me or anyone else, about Israel not being willing to live in peace with its neighbors. We want nothing in the world more than that. I'm sorry, but this is too much. This world is sick. Fucking sick.

Byrnzie wrote:

So are you saying that the in the period since some of the illegal Israel settlers were withdrawn from Gaza, that the IDF didn't continue to carry out house demolitions, extra-judical assassinations and other illegal activities? Perhaps the media in Israel prevented you from hearing about these things?

House demolitions? No, they have not been carried out since Israel withdrew. Assassinations of terrorists, you bet, because it is a proven method of fighting terrorism. If terrorists didn't attack Israel, Israel wouldn't kill anyone. The Israeli media prevented me from hearing about it?? The Israeli media is free to print whatever it likes and uses this freedom to report on every aspect of Israeli military actions. There is a thriving debate in Israel on all of Israel's actions. Honestly you less and less sense with every post and expose your complete ignorance of the situation here.

That's it for me. I'm with Shiraz. No sense in debating with someone without any sense of his own.

Bye, Bye.

Dayan

dayan wrote:

That's it for me. I'm with Shiraz. No sense in debating with someone without any sense of his own.

Bye, Bye.

Dayan

you know i been watching this thread, ...it makes no sense to me that if you two, ie shiraz and dayan, are surrounded by bombs and explosions, how you are so strong to come to a pj jam board....grow the flock up..people try to empathize and i think that you aren't really from mid-east. forgive me, but i kinda wonder how you can commit yourself to a message board if ya have people undergoing so much devastation....

i'm certain you'll be back just like you always are..i'm certain you will log out and soon a new member will join the ranks of the pj board..with a similar style and a different name...like a friend of mine says, "trust no-one".....did it make you get a rise to get all this response....?????? why don't you go to the nearest red-cross center and give out some help: why don't you give instead of take eveyone's time out????? oh, maybe it's because you travel on a one-way street...and i completely mean no disrespect to you if you are real and sincere, but if you are just another twit playing a head game......i hope you get everything you deserve for your deceptive ways.....i know who you are and exactly where you are coming from......seems the earth has two poles: one north and one south...hmmm that means bipolar, now doesnt' it....and i think i've once again ran into the ghost, whom i have come to know as:.......ootf...

shiraz wrote:

Someone is a bit paranoid...

My name is Shiraz, I'm 29 years old woman, I live in port city of Haifa - Israel. Haven't been out of my house for about 2 weeks because my city is under attack by the Hizbullah. Got lot's of troubles getting sleep at night, every little noise makes me jump. Since I can't go out, I've got nothing else to do but use the internet in between alarms.

The thing I don't understand is why do you have so many trouble believing I'm from Israel? Do you think we don't have internet connections here? Do you think we're not suppose to speek English? Really, lets here your reasons.

p.s: I've been reading the Message Pit for years, being a pearl jam fan. I signed up just before the new album was out, cause things were changing in this site and I wanted to have the options I had before (searching) and the possibility to use the new option tools (thread serching etc').

There are a ton of paranoid ones on the board.

melodious wrote:

you know i been watching this thread, ...it makes no sense to me that if you two, ie shiraz and dayan, are surrounded by bombs and explosions, how you are so strong to come to a pj jam board....grow the flock up..people try to empathize and i think that you aren't really from mid-east. forgive me, but i kinda wonder how you can commit yourself to a message board if ya have people undergoing so much devastation....

i'm certain you'll be back just like you always are..i'm certain you will log out and soon a new member will join the ranks of the pj board..with a similar style and a different name...like a friend of mine says, "trust no-one".....did it make you get a rise to get all this response....?????? why don't you go to the nearest red-cross center and give out some help: why don't you give instead of take eveyone's time out????? oh, maybe it's because you travel on a one-way street...and i completely mean no disrespect to you if you are real and sincere, but if you are just another twit playing a head game......i hope you get everything you deserve for your deceptive ways.....i know who you are and exactly where you are coming from......seems the earth has two poles: one north and one south...hmmm that means bipolar, now doesnt' it....and i think i've once again ran into the ghost, whom i have come to know as:.......ootf...

paranoid indeed.
My name is Ari. I post under Dayan because I find it appropriate. Don't worry if you don't get the reference. You'd have to know something about Israel's history to get it, and I have the distinct impression that is too much to ask for here. I grew up in the states but spend a significant amount of time in Israel, where my family owns an apartment. We live in Jerusalem when we are here, which thank God has been far enough away from the northern border to remain safe, though just a week ago a suicide bombing was just narrowly avoided in the center of town. I don't who this ghost character is you're talking about, but honestly I'd recommend you seek some help.

dayan wrote:

paranoid indeed.
My name is Ari. I post under Dayan because I find it appropriate. Don't worry if you don't get the reference. You'd have to know something about Israel's history to get it, and I have the distinct impression that is too much to ask for here.

you are exactly right, i don't know anything about israel or the middleeast, except......that i can't understand how two people can be communicating to a bunch of Americans while entire habitat is being blown to smitherings.....

*/edit i will find out what dayan means; you can bet on that....!!!!!

I grew up in the states but spend a significant amount of time in Israel, where my family owns an apartment. We live in Jerusalem when we are here, which thank God has been far enough away from the northern border to remain safe, though just a week ago a suicide bombing was just narrowly avoided in the center of town.

and this is as sincere as i can be, i am sorry for the events around mid-east; out of most people, i am probably one of the few who cannot celebrate and enjoy life freely, when i know that some life is being f*kt with.

I don't who this ghost character is you're talking about, but honestly I'd recommend you seek some help.

sorry, help i sought gave me plenty of insights and so, perpetrators of malisciousness and deciept better be on their guard..yep i am one pissed on human being, becasue the ghost knows damn well who they are and they are here( for that matter, why i am even here on this particular thread i have watched for two weeks); i'll take you up on that advice about getting help.......calling my therapist as i type.....

Byrnzie wrote:

Your first sentence is correct, and I commend you for admitting as much. However, you then proceed to veer from the path of rationality with your following comments about "..the more territory Israel turned over to the Palestinians the more terrorism they faced." This is simply not true, as you know. All the Palestinian military factions observed ceasefires at Israels promise to adhere to the 'peace plan', and in light of the partial withdrawals from Gaza. They them found themselves subjected to continual Israeli aggression to the point where they were forced to end their ceasefires.
I do not hate Israelis dayan. I hate your government, because like mine, they are liars and murderers.

Please don't tell me what I know. I know what I know, and I'm sure I know it a lot better than you. You're narrative about the peaceful Palestinian factions is laughable. If they were truly so peaceful they wouldn't be targeted by Israel.