The Concept of Good vs Evil

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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Ahnimus wrote:
    All I do? Hardly. I'm talking about reality, religion happens to be a major opponent of reality.

    so keep spreading the word. people see an extreemist and look for middle ground. what is reality to you may be insane to someone else. any talk brings awareness. i happen to enjoy watching you try to convince yourself your right. because if you were right; and you believed you were right; you wouldn't be having the conversation.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    whatever... if it makes me feel best, or it's ingrained by my community... doesn't mean i can't reason.

    if it makes sense to you well good for you... but you can't explain it. just like my own beliefs... they make sense in a lot of ways but i'm not wasting my time trying to explain it you because it's impossible.

    oh and actually it makes more sense to think that everything came from something then rather thinking that everything came from nothing.

    I said "Despite your ability to reason"

    How about everything didn't come. Because you are looking at infinite regression. If the universe came from God, where did God come from? She couldn't have come from nothing by your reasoning. So who or what created God?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    onelongsong wrote:
    so keep spreading the word. people see an extreemist and look for middle ground. what is reality to you may be insane to someone else. any talk brings awareness. i happen to enjoy watching you try to convince yourself your right. because if you were right; and you believed you were right; you wouldn't be having the conversation.

    And... so.. you are not right, because you are also having the conversation. Do you have a mirror handy? It may be useful when making this statements.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I said "Despite your ability to reason"

    How about everything didn't come. Because you are looking at infinite regression. If the universe came from God, where did God come from? She couldn't have come from nothing by your reasoning. So who or what created God?
    hahahaha wow... you never stop do you? it's like... "you're wrong! there is no God! and that's the end of it!"

    come on dude... we're talking about God here.... what is beginning for man? what is it to God? he is a Spirit. it's beyond our logics here man... and trying to rationalize God here with logics is very humorous.

    God cannot be accounted for like say an entire planet, an entire galaxy, or save the universe. God isn't something tangible. there is a text that Paul says that "the things unseen have no ending." thus, having no beginning. i've heard your argument before and i feel it's probably the lamest of them all. infinite regression... whatever... God doesn't subject himself to the laws of everything coming from something. how does that work? i have no idea.

    and also if you apply the laws of thermodynamics to the universe... it's like answering your own question here. if the universe can exist without a creator... then mustn't there be a way that the creator can exist without another creator?
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    hahahaha wow... you never stop do you? it's like... "you're wrong! there is no God! and that's the end of it!"

    come on dude... we're talking about God here.... what is beginning for man? what is it to God? he is a Spirit. it's beyond our logics here man... and trying to rationalize God here with logics is very humorous.

    God cannot be accounted for like say an entire planet, an entire galaxy, or save the universe. God isn't something tangible. there is a text that Paul says that "the things unseen have no ending." thus, having no beginning. i've heard your argument before and i feel it's probably the lamest of them all. infinite regression... whatever... God doesn't subject himself to the laws of everything coming from something. how does that work? i have no idea.

    Well it's very convenient that your beliefs cannot be made sensical, isn't it?

    I'm sure it's impossible to understand Ahura Mazda as well. Why? because Zarathustra says so.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    and also if you apply the laws of thermodynamics to the universe... it's like answering your own question here. if the universe can exist without a creator... then mustn't there be a way that the creator can exist without another creator?

    Sure, but there is no need for a creator. The argument is, "God exists because everything can't come from nothing." but thermodynamics in a way debunks that assertion. If we say thermodynamics is true, the universe is self-necessary, then there is no need for God. If we say it's false, then we can only speculate about it's "Creation" and what created the creator.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Ahnimus wrote:
    And... so.. you are not right, because you are also having the conversation. Do you have a mirror handy? It may be useful when making this statements.

    show me one post where i've said i was right. also; i am spreading the word so it is known by all. someone not exposed to religion may seek to learn about it because of this conversation. that is my point. keep spreading the word.
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Well it's very convenient that your beliefs cannot be made sensical, isn't it?

    I'm sure it's impossible to understand Ahura Mazda as well. Why? because Zarathustra says so.
    i don't know who zarathustra is
    This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Sure, but there is no need for a creator. The argument is, "God exists because everything can't come from nothing." but thermodynamics in a way debunks that assertion. If we say thermodynamics is true, the universe is self-necessary, then there is no need for God. If we say it's false, then we can only speculate about it's "Creation" and what created the creator.
    ok... then... since we have thermodynamics then there is no need to question if God had a creator. i can live with that.
    This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    ok... then... since we have thermodynamics then there is no need to question if God had a creator. i can live with that.

    There is also no need for God. Can you live with that?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    i don't know who zarathustra is

    zarathustra was the prophet of ahura Mazda. The "uncreated creator of all things" predates Christ by a long time.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    There is also no need for God. Can you live with that?
    i would be merely existing, not living.
    This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    zarathustra was the prophet of ahura Mazda. The "uncreated creator of all things" predates Christ by a long time.
    oh, cause i thought you were talking about the kids movie, zathura.
    This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    i would be merely existing, not living.

    Aw, you poor thing.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Aw, you poor thing.
    yeah... i know.... you too. seriously
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    yeah... i know.... you too. seriously

    I don't need heart-warming myths to "live".
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I don't need heart-warming myths to "live".
    the biggest illusion known to man is that they live when they are merely existing... that's where you are.
    This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    the biggest illusion known to man is that they live when they are merely existing... that's where you are.

    Hey, I'm not the one with the name deadnothingbetter.

    I'm quite satisfied with my life.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    yeah... i know.... you too. seriously

    i feel sorry for him too but we need him. we need more people like him to fulfill scriptures. his kind was predicted in the bible. so while i feel sorry for him; i am grateful he has proven yet another prophecy from the bible.
    he is still our brother no matter how blind.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    onelongsong wrote:
    i feel sorry for him too but we need him. we need more people like him to fulfill scriptures. his kind was predicted in the bible. so while i feel sorry for him; i am grateful he has proven yet another prophecy from the bible.
    he is still our brother no matter how blind.

    I predicted you too.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire

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