The Concept of Good vs Evil

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  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    People do many things out of fear....like following religious doctrine that doesn't make sense, contradicts itself and condemns so many.

    i agree. people denounce religious doctrine out of fear too; and ignorance (i mean that both ways) and in the case of one here; a superiority complex.
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    i agree. people denounce religious doctrine out of fear too; and ignorance (i mean that both ways) and in the case of one here; a superiority complex.

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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    i agree. people denounce religious doctrine out of fear too; and ignorance (i mean that both ways) and in the case of one here; a superiority complex.

    That's a very good prognosis. So.. are you planning on seeing a psychiatrist? ;)
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  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Ahnimus wrote:
    There were non-believers before the believers killed them.

    And there always has been more non-believers in Christianity than there has been believers.

    as i recall; the non-believers killed the believers soley based on their beliefs. and since the topic includes all religions; there has always been more believers in religion then non-believers.
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Ahnimus wrote:
    That's a very good prognosis. So.. are you planning on seeing a psychiatrist? ;)

    seems pretty arrogant that you assume you're the one with the superiority complex; but then; you know yourself better than i do.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    as i recall; the non-believers killed the believers soley based on their beliefs. and since the topic includes all religions; there has always been more believers in religion then non-believers.

    How does the topic include all religions?

    Abook specifically mentioned the bible and you responded to this specific reference.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    seems pretty arrogant that you assume you're the one with the superiority complex; but then; you know yourself better than i do.

    I thought you were referring to yourself.
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    as i recall; the non-believers killed the believers soley based on their beliefs. and since the topic includes all religions; there has always been more believers in religion then non-believers.

    People had better not be believing in religion. They must believe in me, Jesus Christ, the only True Son of God.

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  • gue_barium wrote:
    People had better not be believing in religion. They must believe in me, Jesus Christ, the only True Son of God.
    impostor
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    impostor

    Prove it.

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  • i agree. people denounce religious doctrine out of fear too; and ignorance (i mean that both ways) and in the case of one here; a superiority complex.

    The superiority thing can also go both ways...it just depends on how you look at it.

    I don't care for most religion because it divides, judges and focuses on negativity too much for my taste. My intuition nags at me telling me something just isn't right with the picture religions lay out for us. I can't see an all loving God being concerned with some of the egotistcal nitpicking you guys seem so sure of. This is God we're talking about...not us! I believe God is in all of us trying to lead all of us to a more peaceful and productive path. I don't think he'd want us condemning and judging others in her/his name.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I thought you were referring to yourself.

    I thought he was referring to me, Jesus Christ, the One True Son of God. My superiority is rather self-evident.

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  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    The superiority thing can also go both ways...it just depends on how you look at it.

    I don't care for most religion because it divides, judges and focuses on negativity too much for my taste. My intuition nags at me telling me something just isn't right with the picture religions lay out for us. I can't see an all loving God being concerned with some of the egotistcal nitpicking you guys seem so sure of. This is God we're talking about...not us! I believe God is in all of us trying to lead all of us to a more peaceful and productive path. I don't think he'd want us condemning and judging others in her/his name.

    i don't belong to a religion so i'm not sure who "you guys" is referring to. i had to study every religion to graduate and i took something from each one.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    gue_barium wrote:
    I thought he was referring to me, Jesus Christ, the One True Son of God. My superiority is rather self-evident.

    Yea! Holy shit! I didn't see it before, you are absolutely right. *bows* We're not worthy! We're not worthy! We're scum! We suck!
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    i don't belong to a religion so i'm not sure who "you guys" is referring to. i had to study every religion to graduate and i took something from each one.

    Yet you throw the term "religion" around in general terms all over the place.

    Again, you must obey me, and me alone, for I am ...

    You know who I am.

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  • i don't belong to a religion so i'm not sure who "you guys" is referring to. i had to study every religion to graduate and i took something from each one.

    I mean 'you guys' that defend some of the things in the bible and are so sure it's true. If you're not part of that group then it doesn't apply to you.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    I mean 'you guys' that defend some of the things in the bible and are so sure it's true. If you're not part of that group then it doesn't apply to you.

    every discussion about the bible over the past years has me posting that the bible was written by man. therefore; it is not accurate. on the other hand; i respect it as some accounts of historical events even though a spin has been put on it. i believe in Jesus; and i also believe he appeared to other religions in a different form because he knew human nature and therefore not everyone would agree on one religion. therefore i always quote from the hindu scriptures "every river leads to the sea".
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    every discussion about the bible over the past years has me posting that the bible was written by man. therefore; it is not accurate. on the other hand; i respect it as some accounts of historical events even though a spin has been put on it. i believe in Jesus; and i also believe he appeared to other religions in a different form because he knew human nature and therefore not everyone would agree on one religion. therefore i always quote from the hindu scriptures "every river leads to the sea".

    i believe that jesus was a real man and that what he was preaching was something he meant to be for the good of all mankind. i don't believe he was divine or that he performed miracles. i believe he was killed beacuse he was at serious odds with the establishment at that time. for me the reason he(and others) appears in other religions is cause the whole deity thing is made up. it's a story. an entertaining story but a story nonetheless.
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  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    i believe that jesus was a real man and that what he was preaching was something he meant to be for the good of all mankind. i don't believe he was divine or that he performed miracles. i believe he was killed beacuse he was at serious odds with the establishment at that time. for me the reason he(and others) appears in other religions is cause the whole deity thing is made up. it's a story. an entertaining story but a story nonetheless.

    isn't it amazing how people all over the world; during a time when travel was walking; invented this concept all at the same time?
  • Jesus was basically an Alex Jones of the time leading people away from the trap of following the powers that be and out of slavery.

    That's kinda why they killed him.

    kinda like how JFK was shot for preaching peace
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  • gue_barium wrote:
    Prove it.
    so what did you write on the dirt when the prostitute was about to be stoned? and what did you see when the devil took you to the high mountain to show you all the kingdoms in the world? and what did hell look like when you were dead for 3 days?
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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,053
    every discussion about the bible over the past years has me posting that the bible was written by man.

    "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" II Timothy 3:16

    The Bible claims to be written by man through God. Obviously, to believe that you would have to believe in God. So it comes down to this. You either believe in God, or you don't. And...you either believe the Bible because you believe in God, or you don't because you disagree with parts of the Bible. It makes sense to accept all of the Bible, or none of the Bible, but not to pick and choose.

    People don't want to believe a lot of things in the Bible, which is when you get the it was written by men comments, or it is metaphorical instead literal, or the god is in all of us. Do you want a god that is like us? I wouldn't. We are idiots.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    isn't it amazing how people all over the world; during a time when travel was walking; invented this concept all at the same time?

    people ALL OVER the world? your ignorance is astounding.
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  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    people ALL OVER the world? your ignorance is astounding.

    i know you're still in bed but let's discuss this. 4000 years ago we have proof of one religion in egypt. it's written everywhere. the jews had a different religion. and as people began to travel and trade; more religions were discovered. different tribes had different versions. the american indians all had a religion. different yet the same.
    if you'd like to talk ignorance i'll get out my history books and we can discuss the thousands of religions found during the nomadic period. are you up for it?
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" II Timothy 3:16

    The Bible claims to be written by man through God. Obviously, to believe that you would have to believe in God. So it comes down to this. You either believe in God, or you don't. And...you either believe the Bible because you believe in God, or you don't because you disagree with parts of the Bible. It makes sense to accept all of the Bible, or none of the Bible, but not to pick and choose.

    People don't want to believe a lot of things in the Bible, which is when you get the it was written by men comments, or it is metaphorical instead literal, or the god is in all of us. Do you want a god that is like us? I wouldn't. We are idiots.

    timothy was a man i assume. it's not enough to read the bible without reading history. if you really want to learn about christianity; read the uncensored forbidden books. when the bible was assembled; there were about 200 books in consideration for inclusion. those not included were destroyed except for the copies hidden. the scriptures of judas and mary magdalin are probably the most enlightening of all. the bible was assembled at a time when women were servants so mary's scriptures could not be included because it would put a woman on an equal plane as man. judas couldn't be included because he was a traitor in their eyes.
    in 1635 the pope ordered galelleo assassinated because he was teaching that the earth revolved around the sun. are these the people you idolize?
    if God is the universe; then we are part of God and he is part of us. God made man in his image; then put him in this human body we know; as a vehicle. when we die; our being; ie: Gods image; is what goes on.
    so where is heaven? heaven is everywhere. i'm in heaven now. i live on a ranch in the rockys raising buffalo and that is heaven to me. where is hell? look around you. are people suffering? are people starving? are people burned in fire and brimstone when a volcano erupts? are people swallowed by the earth when an earthquake opens the earth?
    we share some DNA markers that every living thing also have. even plants. we are a part of everything and everything is a part of us. science has proven it through DNA.
    you cannot tell a story unless you know the whole story.
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,053
    timothy was a man i assume. it's not enough to read the bible without reading history. if you really want to learn about christianity; read the uncensored forbidden books. when the bible was assembled; there were about 200 books in consideration for inclusion. those not included were destroyed except for the copies hidden. the scriptures of judas and mary magdalin are probably the most enlightening of all. the bible was assembled at a time when women were servants so mary's scriptures could not be included because it would put a woman on an equal plane as man. judas couldn't be included because he was a traitor in their eyes.
    in 1635 the pope ordered galelleo assassinated because he was teaching that the earth revolved around the sun. are these the people you idolize?
    if God is the universe; then we are part of God and he is part of us. God made man in his image; then put him in this human body we know; as a vehicle. when we die; our being; ie: Gods image; is what goes on.
    so where is heaven? heaven is everywhere. i'm in heaven now. i live on a ranch in the rockys raising buffalo and that is heaven to me. where is hell? look around you. are people suffering? are people starving? are people burned in fire and brimstone when a volcano erupts? are people swallowed by the earth when an earthquake opens the earth?
    we share some DNA markers that every living thing also have. even plants. we are a part of everything and everything is a part of us. science has proven it through DNA.
    you cannot tell a story unless you know the whole story.

    Here is what I was saying. If you have faith to believe in God (maybe not you personally), then it is just as much faith to believe what the Bible says when it said the words were written by man through God. You say it was written by man. Fine. But I was just pointing out that the Bible addresses your issue. I was just relaying it. If God exists he would be powerful enough to work through a few humans to make sure the Bible came out how He wanted. You don't like some things in the Bible, so obviously you aren't going to want to follow it and will doubt it just like I do to the Koran.

    As for DNA, what does it matter if we share some markers with plants? Does that mean God could not have made us? You say heaven is everywhere. There are billions of stars that we have not even named yet. There could be some things we humans don't know or cannot comprehend yet.

    I'm not saying you are wrong, just giving a different viewpoint.
  • Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." John 20:29
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  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Here is what I was saying. If you have faith to believe in God (maybe not you personally), then it is just as much faith to believe what the Bible says when it said the words were written by man through God. You say it was written by man. Fine. But I was just pointing out that the Bible addresses your issue. I was just relaying it. If God exists he would be powerful enough to work through a few humans to make sure the Bible came out how He wanted. You don't like some things in the Bible, so obviously you aren't going to want to follow it and will doubt it just like I do to the Koran.

    As for DNA, what does it matter if we share some markers with plants? Does that mean God could not have made us? You say heaven is everywhere. There are billions of stars that we have not even named yet. There could be some things we humans don't know or cannot comprehend yet.

    I'm not saying you are wrong, just giving a different viewpoint.

    and i do respect your viewpoint. all rivers lead to the sea. if you find God in the bible; don't let that go. we have a saying out west here. GOLD IS WHERE YOU FIND IT. well; God is where you find him too. my grandmother convinced me to become a cathoilic priest. that's why i attended a catholic college prep. loyola academy. that all changed the first time i got laid but i do know the faith. i also studied every other faith as a requirement for graduation.
    but i died. i had an aneurysm at the olfactory artery burst. (the temple behind the right eye.) i was dead for 20 minutes. legally brain dead. that's where i found God. medically; there is no way i can be alive. my right front section of my brain is non-functional. you can give my CT scan to any doctor and they will tell you the cause of death. i've tried it so i know. one of my close friends is a doctor and i do it to his friends as a joke.
    my point here is that I AM NOT RIGHT! i am right for me; but i am not right for everyone. if you find God in the bible; God bless you and hold on to that faith. your death will be the best experience you will ever have on earth; as a human. i promise you that. from all my being i promise you that.
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    people ALL OVER the world? your ignorance is astounding.

    and another thing; find me one group of people that DID NOT have a religion. one tribe. one city. any group of people where the majority did not believe in some form of diety.
    you won't find one.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    i know you're still in bed but let's discuss this. 4000 years ago we have proof of one religion in egypt. it's written everywhere. the jews had a different religion. and as people began to travel and trade; more religions were discovered. different tribes had different versions. the american indians all had a religion. different yet the same.
    if you'd like to talk ignorance i'll get out my history books and we can discuss the thousands of religions found during the nomadic period. are you up for it?

    LMAO!! you better believe i'm up for it. :D:p:)

    but before we start let me clarify. the problem i had with your post was not the fact you stated the existence of religion all over the world, but that you said, it appeared ALL OVER THE WORLD AT THE SAME TIME. i believe you said invented this concept all at the same time?
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