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  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    Pot isn't LSD nor alcohol when it comes to driving a car.
    You've changed your place in this world!
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    even flow? wrote:
    Pot isn't LSD nor alcohol when it comes to driving a car.


    Border agent: "What is your destination sir"
    My2hands" "even flow?'s house, he has the LSD, alcohol, and weed"
    Border agent: "cool, see you there"

    :D
  • 1970RR
    1970RR Posts: 281
    surferdude wrote:
    I more or less agree with this. But I do think an accurate way to measure your pot (or thc) level needs to found before any level of pot use and driving is allowed. With alcohol there's an accurate way to measure intake. Pot needs this same type test and an acceptable level found. Until then zero tolerance.

    What do you want more, pot to be legal and zero tolerance for driving while high? or the current situation where pot's illegal?
    I disagree. Each person has a different reaction to the same amount of any substance.
    The decision to arrest and jail a driver should be based on their driving, not some arbitrary chemical level determined by government.
  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,335
    So, how long were you in jail for? Just overnight?
    Were the cops real assholes about it too? How were you not tried for "Driving While Impared"? Because a minor posession isn't really anything, but a DUI is bad news.

    I don't smoke anymore, but when I did I just figured...the only way I would really ever get "busted" with pot would have to be while transporting it in my car and even then I would have to be smoking it in my car (which I never did) to tip off any cop. I always kept it locked up in my glovebox.
  • nick1977
    nick1977 Posts: 327
    A policeman can search a vehicle ONLY if he has probable cause.

    First, he must have probable cause to pull you over. Were you speeding, did you have a tail-light out, were your tags expired? If so, he could pull you over. If you were not violating a traffic law, he cannot pull you over for no reason.

    Second, after he pulls you over, he can only search your vehicle in one of three instances:

    1) You consent to the search, or

    2) THere is probable cause to suspect wrongdoing. If the cop could smell marijuana fumes coming out of your car, he has probable cause to believe you are in possesison of an illegal substance, and can search wihtout your consent. If a dog trained to detect drugs alarms, he has probable cause and can search. If he just think you look suspicious and that is all he has to go on, no probable cause.

    If a cop searches without cause or without consent, then any evidence obtained must be thrown out, and there is no case against you. If there was probable cause, they can use the pot seized as evidence against you.

    3) The third is if a cop has a warrant. But, he has to have probable cause to get a warrant signed by a judge.
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    1970RR wrote:
    I disagree. Each person has a different reaction to the same amount of any substance.
    The decision to arrest and jail a driver should be based on their driving, not some arbitrary chemical level determined by government.
    But the same can be said for alcohol. Your way makes it completely arbitrary and will not make the roads safer. Much like the current blood alcohol level system is not perfect at least you know where you stand with the law.

    I find it funny that pot smokers, in general, seem so adamant to want to be able to drive while impaired. People who drink with the same attitude are generally thought of as alcoholics. They make up great excuses for their behavior; "I drive better after a few", "I didn't want my car to get towed/broken into", "It's only a few blocks". Great role models to emulate.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    even flow? wrote:
    Pot isn't LSD nor alcohol when it comes to driving a car.

    I agree
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I agree
    And alcohol's not LSD, let's scrap drunk driving laws. Let's see more carnage on our roads. Let's see less compassion.

    The very people who want to make government and corporations more accountable want to make themselves less accountable. Unbelievable.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    mca47 wrote:
    So, how long were you in jail for? Just overnight?
    Were the cops real assholes about it too? How were you not tried for "Driving While Impared"? Because a minor posession isn't really anything, but a DUI is bad news.

    When I asked for a warrant the second time I got a quick throw against the hood of his car. he asked "are you gonna calm down!" I'm in the meantime thinking that hes the one with my arm twisted holding me against a car hood, he needs to chill! But otherwise yeah some verbal abuse, he said to me that I was probably gonna be...infact his exact words were.."Are you american?" I said no canadian. His response was "you are fucked!" then he waved bye to me. then again at the lock up he assured me again that I was fucked either way.

    So yeah, normal cop stuff. whatever, I'm not worried.

    I was'nt impaired, I dunno how they got a buzz from my car.....yeah I was locked up from 2pm ish to around 3am...I got the blanket and bed, open toilets and all. all the perks of county lock up. oh and I got a free strip search and for the first time a guy asked me to lift up my ballz sac...while in a baseball catchers low stance Position while coughing.
    ----

    But it's cool, :) "none of them can stop the time"
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    nick1977 wrote:
    A policeman can search a vehicle ONLY if he has probable cause.

    this is incorrect. he/she may search any part of the interior of the car that is within reach of a passenger that is easily and readily accesable. it is a common practice for safety reasons. that is why locked brief cases or lock boxes or locked glove compartments are not searchable under this premise, becuase they are not "easily" accessed. so keep your shit in your locked glove compartment and you will be fine. :D

    i assume mrbrians stash was found within his reach NOT in a locked storage. not to mention the odor makes it a moot point.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    surferdude wrote:
    And alcohol's not LSD, let's scrap drunk driving laws. Let's see more carnage on our roads. Let's see less compassion.

    The very people who want to make government and corporations more accountable want to make themselves less accountable. Unbelievable.

    no one is saying that big fella. DUI is a bad thing and very irresponsible. it costs innocent lives and destruction. some of us are just saying that marijuana has a different affect on your motor skills.

    have you ever smoked weed?

    have you ever drank alcohol?
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    surferdude wrote:
    And alcohol's not LSD, let's scrap drunk driving laws. Let's see more carnage on our roads. Let's see less compassion.

    The very people who want to make government and corporations more accountable want to make themselves less accountable. Unbelievable.


    I've been in the car with quite a few people who were high from pot and have never had a problem with their driving. It's just not the same thing. How about not being able to talk on the cell phone or browse through your cd case while driving? What exactly do you think pot does that impairs driving ability? You seem to want to say it's bad just because...

    If pot was seriously causing problems then I could understand this stance. Do you have any stats?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Nobody should drive without performance enhancers, cars are too dangerous.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I've been in the car with quite a few people who were high from pot and have never had a problem with their driving.
    When I was young and stupid I never caused an accident while driving drunk. Gee, let's make drunk driving legal.

    Pot impairs you, it affects your judgement. That's why we smoke it. This arguement of "show me the dead bodies" is immature. If that's the case let's only prosecute drunk drivers after they've killed someone. Why proactively make the roads safer? What's a life worth if it interfers with my right to drive stoned?
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    surferdude wrote:
    When I was young and stupid I never caused an accident while driving drunk. Gee, let's make drunk driving legal.

    Pot impairs you, it affects your judgement. That's why we smoke it. This arguement of "show me the dead bodies" is immature. If that's the case let's only prosecute drunk drivers after they've killed someone. Why proactively make the roads safer? What's a life worth if it interfers with my right to drive stoned?

    You don't just decide something is dangerous unless it has actually been proven to be so. There's nothing immature about that.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    I must be different, but I drive amazing while high. Perfectly. It's night and day compared to alcohol. Actually I drive better high than sober, as I concentrate on my driving 100%. I mean perfectly straight as an arrow. It's supernatural.

    They actually did a British TV show on exactly this on a closed course with pylons and found the same thing. When high, people drive really, really well because they concentrate completely on the task at hand.

    Depends on the individual and their higher cognitive abilities I suppose, and experience to both.

    However rolling while rolling is asking for it. In general lose the car when you partake in extra curricular.
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  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    You don't just decide something is dangerous unless it has actually been proven to be so. There's nothing immature out that.
    Does pot impair you in any way? ....Yes, that's why we smoke it.
    Has society deemed that impaired driving is dangerous?...Yes, that's why it's illegal. The dangers of impaired driving has been proven many times over.

    By your logic I should be able to argue that until they prove my particular alcoholic drink impairs me in a bad way for driving that it should be legal. "Gee officer, I know Jack Daniels fucks me up to much to drive, but I swear Jack and Triple Sec is safe. Show me the proof that Jack and Triple Sec drivers are danger."

    I don't care what your impariment is, if you are impaired you should not be driving. Or at least have a designated safe level set, and anything over that level counts as impaired.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    surferdude wrote:
    Does pot impair you in any way? ....Yes, that's why we smoke it.
    Has society deemed that impaired driving is dangerous?...Yes, that's why it's illegal. The dangers of impaired driving has been proven many times over.

    By your logic I should be able to argue that until they prove my particular alcoholic drink impairs me in a bad way for driving that it should be legal. "Gee officer, I know Jack Daniels fucks me up to much to drive, but I swear Jack and Triple Sec is safe. Show me the proof that Jack and Triple Sec drivers are danger."

    I don't care what your impariment is, if you are impaired you should not be driving. Or at least have a designated safe level set, and anything over that level counts as impaired.

    Caffeine, prescription drugs, listening to music, talking on the phone, talking to a passenger, all impair you, too.

    The question should be how much does pot impair you? Is it enough to affect your driving abilities?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Sleep depravation and fatigue are probably worse than most impairments. Malnutrition is bad too.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Sleep depravation and fatigue are probably worse than most impairments. Malnutrition is bad too.

    Yep, very good examples.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde

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