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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Jeanie wrote:
    :) Well I think so. BUT I'm clearly a moron so what would I know? :)

    I'm SURE I probably imagined it! :p Oh that's right!! I can't be SURE of anything other than science. Silly, silly me!! :)

    science can't measure or explain imagination. it's either real or it isn't. if you can't see or measure or hold it; it doesn't exist.

    but then; sometimes thinking is the best way to travel.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    I don't know metsfan from a hole in the ground.

    Some of you may recall a "3 truths and a lie" thread on the AET some time ago.
    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=226466&highlight=truths

    I was able to predict the lie in every attempt. It's not being psychic, it's just not guessing.
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Oh yeah, ask metsfan, I'm a fucking psychic.

    Ask Angelica, I could pick that guy out in a gabbly chat under any alias.


    Oooh!! Spooky!! I can pick Mets on gabbly too!!! :D

    That aura reader I saw the other weekend said I had psychic capabilities!!! ;)
    NOPE!!!

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Rats of Multa wrote:
    i agree. i'm kind of like a photography dude or whatever, so i do in fact know a little bit about the properties of light,... i was simply posing that question due to the line of conversation occurring between myself and Ahnimus, as i was hoping to show that even the most stringent, unbiased scientific experimentations often provide results that are anything but ubiquitous and/or "objective". thanks for the reply though, light is certainly one of the most wonderful and amazing facts of existence, even if we dont have much certifiable knowledge regarding the phenomenon.

    Actually the question got me thinking about a few things...it's helps personal understanding to try explaining something out loud.

    Right now I'm waiting to hear about the Higgs Boson at CERN. The Large Hadron Collider is due to start up this November. It's supposed to answer the question on what is the origin of mass. They're also going to be able to observe and study black holes.

    http://public.web.cern.ch/Public/Content/Chapters/AboutCERN/CERNFuture/WhatLHC/WhatLHC-en.html
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  • lucylespian
    lucylespian Posts: 2,403
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I agree in most part, I just don't have the luxury of time to sift through garbage posts to find the actual responses all the time. And the smilies give me a headache ;)

    Yesterday there was one post by Rats of Multa that was an entire page of smilies, my computer locked up and when it did display a sharp pain went through my eye through my visual system and into my frontal lobe.

    Fair enough !! Not to be pedantic or anything, but if a pain travelled through your visual system, then it wound up in your occipital lobe.

    Being pedantic, the pain was actually from spasm of your occular constrictor muscle ( which I can't remember teh correct name for now)and travelled through the ophthalmic nerve, not the optic nerve.

    NOw, since you did find my RELEVANT post in teh garbage, how about a response to what I said about shooting teh messenger. BTW, I was a high-school drop-out too, but never learned to type.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    gue_barium wrote:
    This is where your logic goes askew, to me.
    If you assume to know what "god" means to the poster you are replying to, isn't that bad science?

    I have an idea they aren't talking about Spinoza's God or Einstein's God. They are talking about their personal God.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I don't know metsfan from a hole in the ground.

    You do to. He's been on the gabbly every time I've seen you there.
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I swear Jeanie, 90% of your posts are "I like you" "Your cool" and while it's very empowering, and I'm sure you make great friends. Can you like PM them or something? I've said this to people that say similar things about me, this is a forum for reasoned debate, it's not Lavalife and liking someone doesn't give any more credibility to what they are saying.

    Ah, so it's ok for you to treat this place like lavalife when it suits you but it's not ok for me to agree with someone and make positive comment?
    How subjective of you. And whenever you are ready to have REASONED debate I'm ready. BUT if tossing around insults and being patronizing is the way we are going to go today, then fine, bring it on. IF YOU MUST. :)
    NOPE!!!

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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I have an idea they aren't talking about Spinoza's God or Einstein's God. They are talking about their personal God.

    Whoa, you put yourself in good company there, bro. It's still bad science on your part.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    lucylespian wrote:
    Fair enough !! Not to be pedantic or anything, but if a pain travelled through your visual system, then it wound up in your occipital lobe.

    Being pedantic, the pain was actually from spasm of your occular constrictor muscle ( which I can't remember teh correct name for now)and travelled through the ophthalmic nerve, not the optic nerve.

    NOw, since you did find my RELEVANT post in teh garbage, how about a response to what I said about shooting teh messenger. BTW, I was a high-school drop-out too, but never learned to type.

    I'm not sure I know the question. The cliche is open to interpretation and may not apply to every situation.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    angelica wrote:
    Thanks, good friend! :)

    Ditto girl!! :D Ooops!! Sorry!! Might be getting a little bit too positive and lavalife like! :p
    NOPE!!!

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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Get a room. Seriously.

    hahahahahaha!! :D:D:D You wanna angelica? ;)
    NOPE!!!

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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Jeanie wrote:
    hahahahahaha!! :D:D:D You wanna angelica? ;)
    I'm there...........waiting for you, you sultry procrastinater, you! You bring the lava, I'll bring the life. Or vice-versa, if you prefer. ;):D
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    lucylespian wrote:


    QM and understanding od wave/particle duality have nothing to do wioht tthis discussion.
    But it's exactly becasue I share your view that my thoughts are really just teh bubbling of a biochemical stew, that I don't trust my perception. Without being psychotic, I have experienced incorrect perceptiona number of times, ususalyy when sleep deprived. It is also why I don't accept that just becasuse someone is convinced of something, that is has to be true.[/quote]

    Thank you lucy!! :)
    NOPE!!!

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  • lucylespian
    lucylespian Posts: 2,403
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I'm not sure I know the question. The cliche is open to interpretation and may not apply to every situation.

    Your original question at the start of the thread was, why do people despise scientism, or at least, that is my loose interpretation.
    I put up a post talking about how people don't always like the answers that scince gives them, and becasue they often can't direct anger at what scince is explaining, they direct anger at science, or scientist.
    Alerternatively, people can also see it as undermining their religious beliefs. Because religions are inherently competitive institutions, ie my God is right, yours is wrong, they see science as an enemy that needs to be torn down.
    Music is not a competetion.
  • Gary Carter
    Gary Carter Posts: 14,077
    angelica wrote:
    I'm there...........waiting for you, you sultry procrastinater, you! You bring the lava, I'll bring the life. Or vice-versa, if you prefer. ;):D
    ill bring the video camera and make sure its a scientific fact, u 2 had intercourse
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    metsfan531941 wrote:
    ill bring the video camera and make sure its a scientific fact, u 2 had intercourse

    Now I know what ahnimus means by "inappropriate".
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    nuclear fission proved a paralell (sp) universe.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    onelongsong wrote:
    nuclear fission proved a paralell (sp) universe.

    Uh.. no.
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  • lucylespian
    lucylespian Posts: 2,403
    metsfan531941 wrote:
    ill bring the video camera and make sure its a scientific fact, u 2 had intercourse

    Nah, lesbians have outercourse, not intercourse !! LOL !!!!!!!

    Unless I can't tell gender either, which is entirely possible !!
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