Of course we have things to offer Iran... please.....
They dont need money. They have all that oil. They aren't starving. We freed them from the burden of Sadaam. Whats the problem here? They should be thanking us. Instead they are killing our soldiers and menacing the world with threats and nukes. The answer is simple, they are making their power play in the gulf for hegemony. Hegomony for Iran would be bad............
I'm not kidding, no. And any country who wants to build nuclear weapons is going to build nuclear weapons, unless you bribe them or kill them, and even then you're likely just delaying the inevitable. Regardless, I'm not interested in bribing or killing anyone. Otherwise I'd be building my own nuclear weapons just like the rest of these fools.
so let's think about this. the us has always left people to themselves. when countries went to war we looked but didn't get involved. we did this in WWI and WWII. the result was that we got asked into these massive wars to pull europes arse out of the sling. so the us decided that instead of waiting patiently then having to lose a great number of it's population helping the rest of the world; we became pro-active. this makes us the bad guy right? we should sit idly by until war breaks out and we have to get in the middle of another large war. a war that could have been prevented to begin with.
There are so many things wrong with this statement.
First of all, Saddam proposed to get rid of his WMD's if Israel would do the same. The US blocked that move. Second, the US has repeatedly violated internationl law, on a scale IRan could never compete with. Third, the US has already installed a brutal dictatorship in Iran, one the people eventually overthrew-meaning IRan has every right to fear US aggression. Fourth, the UN's inability to act is a direct result of US failure to allow it too. If the world's superpower doesn't want to play there is no game.
Saddam was not a threat to anyone, after 91. Even his neighbors didn't see the need for the US to invade. He sure wasn't a threat to the US. Much like Iran isn't a threat to anyone, least of all the US. The only reason they are looking for WMD's is defend themselves against US aggression, a real threat considering US actions in the region.
Have you heard the US making any threats to annihilate Iran lately? None. Have we threatened Iran with nuclear attack? No. The only country making these kinds of threats is Iran. So why exactly do they need to defend themselves from us? Clearly their Nuke program is meant to up the ante in the region and to threaten Israel and the Gulf States. Its plain as day.
You can't "resolve" a problem when you can't even agree on a) that there is a problem and b) the definition of that problem and, most importantly c) that our respective definitions of the "problem" require contradictory solutions.
Have you heard the US making any threats to annihilate Iran lately? None. Have we threatened Iran with nuclear attack? No. The only country making these kinds of threats is Iran. So why exactly do they need to defend themselves from us? Clearly their Nuke program is meant to up the ante in the region and to threaten Israel and the Gulf States. Its plain as day.
The US has already been involved in millitary exchanges with Iran, according to Time magazine. Apparently some high ranking officials have been kidnapped in special ops raids, including one raid against the most powerful political party in Iran, where US special forces went into a heavily guarded compound and kidnapped an official.
so let's think about this. the us has always left people to themselves.
Huh? The US has a long history of intervention, both foreign and domestic.
when countries went to war we looked but didn't get involved. we did this in WWI and WWII.
Yep. We did the opposite in about a dozen other circumstances.
the result was that we got asked into these massive wars to pull europes arse out of the sling. so the us decided that instead of waiting patiently then having to lose a great number of it's population helping the rest of the world; we became pro-active. this makes us the bad guy right?
No. The US is a good guy in those two examples.
we should sit idly by until war breaks out and we have to get in the middle of another large war. a war that could have been prevented to begin with.
Your time to prevent this war has passed, friend. You had a chance about 60 years ago, when you should have talked Britain and others out of their imperialistic foolishness in the Middle East and Asia.
Any aggressive action you take now is going to break that war you speak of "out". You won't be preventing anything.
If all Iran wants is nuclear energy, is that okay?
I seriously do not believe Iran would bomb Israel...I think those that believe this are themselves fear mongering...the Iranian leader is more than intelligent enough to know he would be bombed to hell (funny thing is any nuke use would have devestating consequences for Israel as well...something we call nuclear fall-out people)...the weapons of today make the bombs of Japan look like toys....
I think a lot of people who like to use the statement "nuke them off the map" (none I have seen for awhile in this niche of cyber-space) fail to realize the amount of collateral damage that would be done to surrounding areas....
I find people touting Iran as an evil empire that wants to destroy Israel are fear mongering....but that is my opinion...I seriously think that a compromise could be implemented that would allow nuclear energy for Iran without the threat of weapons....plus honeslty any pre-empted strike on Iran by Israel would be just as foolish and I do not need to explain that one......
You can't "resolve" a problem when you can't even agree on a) that there is a problem and b) the definition of that problem and, most importantly c) that our respective definitions of the "problem" require contradictory solutions.
You can sure act fair, decent and above board when the problem is yet to be understood or defined. And you can acknowledge that when there is room for huge doubt and uncertainty, more clarity is required before giving one's self permission to even consider taking steps based on any kind of very possibly false premise.
In the bully/annoying kid analogy, reborncareerist was asking whether it's bullying when the other person is not a victim, essentially but rather is contributing to the problem.
My point is when we give ourselves permission to look at someone through the lens where we are the victim, and therefore even consider giving ourselves permission to bully based on a false impression we have of ourselves, we're clearly justifying the unjustifiable.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I seriously do not believe Iran would bomb Israel...I think those that believe this are themselves fear mongering...the Iranian leader is more than intelligent enough to know he would be bombed to hell
must be very easy for you to pass me off as a fear-monger when you don't address any of the quotes i provided earlier that fly in the face of your logic.
it might seem odd, coming from me and where i live and all,
but, perhaps, just perhaps, their efforts actually are targeted at civil nuclear energy?
i mean - just a thought.
(a wishful one)
You can't "resolve" a problem when you can't even agree on a) that there is a problem and b) the definition of that problem and, most importantly c) that our respective definitions of the "problem" require contradictory solutions.
Oh, and I'm guessing you agree that it is very integral part of effective problem-solving seeking to understand and define what the actual problem is, rather than going on guesswork, fear, assumptions, and other criteria that is really about us and not about the realistic problem. Recognizing the problem IS half-way to solving it.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
so in other words its ok for Iran to act like an asshole
Oh look.........Chicago, Ill, USA. Must be hard to come up with that statement and actually mean it or say it without smirking. Odd how when you live in a country you just seem to overlook the feet you have and are stepping on around the world. But knock all the others all you want.
You can sure act fair, decent and above board when the problem is yet to be understood or defined.
Of course!
And you can acknowledge that when there is room for huge doubt and uncertainty, more clarity is required before giving one's self permission to even consider taking steps based on any kind of very possibly false premise.
Completely agreed.
In the bully/annoying kid analogy, reborncareerist was asking whether it's bullying when the other person is not a victim, essentially but rather is contributing to the problem.
I would agree with reborncareerist's assessment there, vis a vis this issue.
My point is when we give ourselves permission to look at someone through the lens where we are the victim, and therefore even consider giving ourselves permission to bully based on a false impression we have of ourselves, we're clearly justifying the unjustifiable.
Agreed. That's why I don't like the idea of us taking steps to "solve" a problem that isn't really a problem. And that's why I reject Iran's status of either a victim or an honest broker of peace.
must be very easy for you to pass me off as a fear-monger when you don't address any of the quotes i provided earlier that fly in the face of your logic.
Pfft....whatever show me the complete dialogue of the Iranian president saying he was going "blow Israel off the map"...I want to see the entire speech not just a snippet of half a sentece....plus what quote...where did you get the quote you posted...do you want me to type up quotes and throw them in your face like some arrogant ass and ask you to reconsider your logic...
I have no time for someone as pompous as you....to add-in still think you are fear mongering....
Pfft....whatever show me the complete dialogue of the Iranian president saying he was going "blow Israel off the map"...I want to see the entire speech not just a snippet of half a sentece....plus what quote...where did you get the quote you posted...do you want me to type up quotes and throw them in your face like some arrogant ass and ask you to reconsider your logic...
I have no time for someone as pompous as you....to add-in still think you are fear mongering....
Israel's nuclear arsenal has been the Middle East's worst kept secret for decades; yet it hasn't provoked an Arab nuclear arms race--unlike the Iranian nuclear program. The reason is that the Arab world knew that we wouldn't use the bomb unless we ourselves faced imminent destruction. The Sunnis appear to be no less "paranoid" about a nuclear Iran than the Jews.
How can you ignore the statement by former Iranian President Hashemi Rafsanjani that it is "not irrational" to contemplate a nuclear war that would destroy Israel but would only damage the Muslim world? Or the statement by Ahmadinejad to Kofi Annan that a third world war is coming and Iran is going to win it?
or "We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let this land [Iran] burn. I say let this land go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world. "
-Khomenei
To put things into how I see them. I take everything with a grain of salt. I don't believe that Jews are the chosen people and need to have their own land. As they believe they were told to wander and still don't have a beef with the person that told them to do it. But have a beef with everybody else about it. Everybody including the boogie man wants the Jew.
I don't believe that anybody would be so stupid as to actually nuke Israel. No matter what drugs you think they are on or how obsessed with relgion you think they are. There is obviously some kind of friction that must go back to a time before North America came to exist that the two factions have had a hard on of hate for each other. If two arabs in Iraq can't get their act together. Toss in an entirely different relgion from another arab neighbour and I am not surprised that you all can't get your shit together over there.
Or to put it like the people on here from the US. The whole middle east could be bombed to bits to wipe out one, if not the main problem in the world today and I wouldn't even bat an eye, except to smile that all the trouble is now gone up in smoke.
They dont need money. They have all that oil. They aren't starving. We freed them from the burden of Sadaam. Whats the problem here? They should be thanking us. Instead they are killing our soldiers and menacing the world with threats and nukes. The answer is simple, they are making their power play in the gulf for hegemony. Hegomony for Iran would be bad............
Like......
Technology.. respect... perhaps a voice in the reconstruction of Iraq.... there are thousands of things we could share with each others resultiing from our different cultures and differnt geographic locations...
and most of all - they'd like it if we didn't threaten to bomb the shit out of them..
it might seem odd, coming from me and where i live and all,
but, perhaps, just perhaps, their efforts actually are targeted at civil nuclear energy?
i mean - just a thought.
(a wishful one)
nothing said - what a waste.
Well Ahmadinijad sponsored the anti-holocaust seminar and threatened to wipe Israel off the map. He didn't threaten to wipe the US off the map. And he didn't have a conference attended by digruntled American Indians, so I think we can discern who he intends to use those weapons against. Sharon had a plan on the books to take out the Iranian facility before he lapsed into Coma. He said as much. So it looks like the threat is clear.
Another thought that keeps coming to mind is that Ahmadinijad was trying to bait Israel. I mean, to actually put together an anti-Holocaust conference while threatening Israel? His conduct was so outrageous it almost felt like he was trying to bail Israel into a first strike. I think your govenment recognized this and thats why Israel has not taken action and Iran now finds itself with two US Carriers parked off its coast instead. (The Stennis arrived yesterday).
How can you ignore the statement by former Iranian President Hashemi Rafsanjani that it is "not irrational" to contemplate a nuclear war that would destroy Israel but would only damage the Muslim world? Or the statement by Ahmadinejad to Kofi Annan that a third world war is coming and Iran is going to win it?
or "We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let this land [Iran] burn. I say let this land go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world. "
-Khomenei
I will love to address your quotes. People can and do say crazy irrational things all the time. This is clearly different than a call for self-defense with imminent danger. Any action based on these threats would make any aggressor clearly...the aggressor and accountable.
When we allow our fear and paranoia fill in the blanks between the facts, we became the evil characters on the world stage. These fine lines mark the difference between being the bad guy and being reasonable and level headed. Menacing comments can be fully taken into consideration with a level head and reasoned focus. And will show based on how we respond--with fear mongering or with a level head.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
To put things into how I see them. I take everything with a grain of salt. I don't believe that Jews are the chosen people and need to have their own land. As they believe they were told to wander and still don't have a beef with the person that told them to do it. But have a beef with everybody else about it. Everybody including the boogie man wants the Jew.
I don't believe that anybody would be so stupid as to actually nuke Israel. No matter what drugs you think they are on or how obsessed with relgion you think they are. There is obviously some kind of friction that must go back to a time before North America came to exist that the two factions have had a hard on of hate for each other. If two arabs in Iraq can't get their act together. Toss in an entirely different relgion from another arab neighbour and I am not surprised that you all can't get your shit together over there.
Or to put it like the people on here from the US. The whole middle east could be bombed to bits to wipe out one, if not the main problem in the world today and I wouldn't even bat an eye, except to smile that all the trouble is now gone up in smoke.
Pfft....whatever show me the complete dialogue of the Iranian president saying he was going "blow Israel off the map"...I want to see the entire speech not just a snippet of half a sentece....plus what quote...where did you get the quote you posted...do you want me to type up quotes and throw them in your face like some arrogant ass and ask you to reconsider your logic...
I have no time for someone as pompous as you....to add-in still think you are fear mongering....
if you think i fabricated those quotes, say so. otherwise i don't know what that post of yours was other than a temper-tantrum and a waste of anyone's time who read it.
also note- of those quotes, i didn't include the played-out "israel should be wiped off the map" one.
Technology.. respect... perhaps a voice in the reconstruction of Iraq.... there are thousands of things we could share with each others resultiing from our different cultures and differnt geographic locations...
and most of all - they'd like it if we didn't threaten to bomb the shit out of them..
Why in the world does Iran deserve a voice in the reconstruction of Iraq?
I will love to address your quotes. People can and do say crazy irrational things all the time. This is clearly different than a call for self-defense with imminent danger. Any action based on these threats would make any aggressor clearly...the aggressor and accountable.
When we allow our fear and paranoia fill in the blanks between the facts, we became the evil characters on the world stage. These fine lines mark the difference between being the bad guy and being reasonable and level headed. Menacing comments can be fully taken into consideration with a level head and reasoned focus. And will show based on how we respond--with fear mongering or with a level head.
so winston churchill in the 1930's was fear-mongering?
there was no shortage of people in the 20's and 30's who reacted to mein kampf the same way people on these boards react to the words of Iran's leaders. they have learned nothing from history.
Well Ahmadinijad sponsored the anti-holocaust seminar and threatened to wipe Israel off the map. He didn't threaten to wipe the US off the map. And he didn't have a conference attended by digruntled American Indians, so I think we can discern who he intends to use those weapons against. Sharon had a plan on the books to take out the Iranian facility before he lapsed into Coma. He said as much. So it looks like the threat is clear.
Another thought that keeps coming to mind is that Ahmadinijad was trying to bait Israel. I mean, to actually put together an anti-Holocaust conference while threatening Israel? His conduct was so outrageous it almost felt like he was trying to bail Israel into a first strike. I think your govenment recognized this and thats why Israel has not taken action and Iran now finds itself with two US Carriers parked off its coast instead. (The Stennis arrived yesterday).
true - iran's president has done and said quite a bit of stuff that could have provoked israel into doing something dreadfully foolish.
however - 2 things in my (naive?) mind:
1. iran (and the vast majority of the islamic world) sees israel as a threat, and conciders every israeli move an aggressive one, just as israel preceives the islamic world. therefor, iran's president (after hearing and reading his name so many times - i still don't know how to spell it. then again - the same goes for dave a's last name, and he's the best PJ drummer ever...), from his point of view, would justifiably consider his provoking acts as reaction to something israel has done. that's the problem with political conflicts - everyone seems to be right, yet everyone is actually wrong.
2. i really do hope it's just for nuclear energy, because - well - the other option is too much for me to consider.
Is the United States going to continue to be the bad guy here? All diplomatic means are being used, and the Iranians continue to be belligerent. When Saddaam flouted the UN at least we gave him no fly zones and sanctions that really hurt. Well see what the UN does this time...My guess...NADA.
true - iran's president has done and said quite a bit of stuff that could have provoked israel into doing something dreadfully foolish.
however - 2 things in my (naive?) mind:
1. iran (and the vast majority of the islamic world) sees israel as a threat, and conciders every israeli move an aggressive one, just as israel preceives the islamic world. therefor, iran's president (after hearing and reading his name so many times - i still don't know how to spell it. then again - the same goes for dave a's last name, and he's the best PJ drummer ever...), from his point of view, would justifiably consider his provoking acts as reaction to something israel has done. that's the problem with political conflicts - everyone seems to be right, yet everyone is actually wrong.
2. i really do hope it's just for nuclear energy, because - well - the other option is too much for me to consider.
it doesn't make sense for it to just be for civilian energy consumption. iran has the world's largest reserve of natural gas. they could get by on natural gas for several centuries before running out. nuclear power is more expensive, worse for the environment, and more dangerous, given the risk of a meltdown. they want the bomb.
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so let's think about this. the us has always left people to themselves. when countries went to war we looked but didn't get involved. we did this in WWI and WWII. the result was that we got asked into these massive wars to pull europes arse out of the sling. so the us decided that instead of waiting patiently then having to lose a great number of it's population helping the rest of the world; we became pro-active. this makes us the bad guy right? we should sit idly by until war breaks out and we have to get in the middle of another large war. a war that could have been prevented to begin with.
Have you heard the US making any threats to annihilate Iran lately? None. Have we threatened Iran with nuclear attack? No. The only country making these kinds of threats is Iran. So why exactly do they need to defend themselves from us? Clearly their Nuke program is meant to up the ante in the region and to threaten Israel and the Gulf States. Its plain as day.
You can't "resolve" a problem when you can't even agree on a) that there is a problem and b) the definition of that problem and, most importantly c) that our respective definitions of the "problem" require contradictory solutions.
Huh?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/12/wiraq12.xml
http://www.workers.org/2006/world/iran-0223/
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6298
The US has already been involved in millitary exchanges with Iran, according to Time magazine. Apparently some high ranking officials have been kidnapped in special ops raids, including one raid against the most powerful political party in Iran, where US special forces went into a heavily guarded compound and kidnapped an official.
Huh? The US has a long history of intervention, both foreign and domestic.
Yep. We did the opposite in about a dozen other circumstances.
No. The US is a good guy in those two examples.
Your time to prevent this war has passed, friend. You had a chance about 60 years ago, when you should have talked Britain and others out of their imperialistic foolishness in the Middle East and Asia.
Any aggressive action you take now is going to break that war you speak of "out". You won't be preventing anything.
If all Iran wants is nuclear energy, is that okay?
I seriously do not believe Iran would bomb Israel...I think those that believe this are themselves fear mongering...the Iranian leader is more than intelligent enough to know he would be bombed to hell (funny thing is any nuke use would have devestating consequences for Israel as well...something we call nuclear fall-out people)...the weapons of today make the bombs of Japan look like toys....
I think a lot of people who like to use the statement "nuke them off the map" (none I have seen for awhile in this niche of cyber-space) fail to realize the amount of collateral damage that would be done to surrounding areas....
I find people touting Iran as an evil empire that wants to destroy Israel are fear mongering....but that is my opinion...I seriously think that a compromise could be implemented that would allow nuclear energy for Iran without the threat of weapons....plus honeslty any pre-empted strike on Iran by Israel would be just as foolish and I do not need to explain that one......
I say more diplomacy can be achieved.....
In the bully/annoying kid analogy, reborncareerist was asking whether it's bullying when the other person is not a victim, essentially but rather is contributing to the problem.
My point is when we give ourselves permission to look at someone through the lens where we are the victim, and therefore even consider giving ourselves permission to bully based on a false impression we have of ourselves, we're clearly justifying the unjustifiable.
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must be very easy for you to pass me off as a fear-monger when you don't address any of the quotes i provided earlier that fly in the face of your logic.
Most antizionists are antisemites
it might seem odd, coming from me and where i live and all,
but, perhaps, just perhaps, their efforts actually are targeted at civil nuclear energy?
i mean - just a thought.
(a wishful one)
nothing said - what a waste.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/pearljam_to_israel/index.html
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Oh look.........Chicago, Ill, USA. Must be hard to come up with that statement and actually mean it or say it without smirking. Odd how when you live in a country you just seem to overlook the feet you have and are stepping on around the world. But knock all the others all you want.
Of course!
Completely agreed.
I would agree with reborncareerist's assessment there, vis a vis this issue.
Agreed. That's why I don't like the idea of us taking steps to "solve" a problem that isn't really a problem. And that's why I reject Iran's status of either a victim or an honest broker of peace.
Pfft....whatever show me the complete dialogue of the Iranian president saying he was going "blow Israel off the map"...I want to see the entire speech not just a snippet of half a sentece....plus what quote...where did you get the quote you posted...do you want me to type up quotes and throw them in your face like some arrogant ass and ask you to reconsider your logic...
I have no time for someone as pompous as you....to add-in still think you are fear mongering....
hmmm...
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/pearljam_to_israel/index.html
10/03/05 philadelphia
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05/10/06 toronto
06/01/06 e. rutherford
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06/12/07 munich
To put things into how I see them. I take everything with a grain of salt. I don't believe that Jews are the chosen people and need to have their own land. As they believe they were told to wander and still don't have a beef with the person that told them to do it. But have a beef with everybody else about it. Everybody including the boogie man wants the Jew.
I don't believe that anybody would be so stupid as to actually nuke Israel. No matter what drugs you think they are on or how obsessed with relgion you think they are. There is obviously some kind of friction that must go back to a time before North America came to exist that the two factions have had a hard on of hate for each other. If two arabs in Iraq can't get their act together. Toss in an entirely different relgion from another arab neighbour and I am not surprised that you all can't get your shit together over there.
Or to put it like the people on here from the US. The whole middle east could be bombed to bits to wipe out one, if not the main problem in the world today and I wouldn't even bat an eye, except to smile that all the trouble is now gone up in smoke.
Like......
Technology.. respect... perhaps a voice in the reconstruction of Iraq.... there are thousands of things we could share with each others resultiing from our different cultures and differnt geographic locations...
and most of all - they'd like it if we didn't threaten to bomb the shit out of them..
Well Ahmadinijad sponsored the anti-holocaust seminar and threatened to wipe Israel off the map. He didn't threaten to wipe the US off the map. And he didn't have a conference attended by digruntled American Indians, so I think we can discern who he intends to use those weapons against. Sharon had a plan on the books to take out the Iranian facility before he lapsed into Coma. He said as much. So it looks like the threat is clear.
Another thought that keeps coming to mind is that Ahmadinijad was trying to bait Israel. I mean, to actually put together an anti-Holocaust conference while threatening Israel? His conduct was so outrageous it almost felt like he was trying to bail Israel into a first strike. I think your govenment recognized this and thats why Israel has not taken action and Iran now finds itself with two US Carriers parked off its coast instead. (The Stennis arrived yesterday).
When we allow our fear and paranoia fill in the blanks between the facts, we became the evil characters on the world stage. These fine lines mark the difference between being the bad guy and being reasonable and level headed. Menacing comments can be fully taken into consideration with a level head and reasoned focus. And will show based on how we respond--with fear mongering or with a level head.
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Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
huh?
if you think i fabricated those quotes, say so. otherwise i don't know what that post of yours was other than a temper-tantrum and a waste of anyone's time who read it.
also note- of those quotes, i didn't include the played-out "israel should be wiped off the map" one.
Most antizionists are antisemites
evenflow?'s grammar and coherency always suffers when he thinks he's being edgy.
Most antizionists are antisemites
I couldnt discern a single cogent thought in that whole paragraph...That was abuse of keyboard
so winston churchill in the 1930's was fear-mongering?
there was no shortage of people in the 20's and 30's who reacted to mein kampf the same way people on these boards react to the words of Iran's leaders. they have learned nothing from history.
Most antizionists are antisemites
true - iran's president has done and said quite a bit of stuff that could have provoked israel into doing something dreadfully foolish.
however - 2 things in my (naive?) mind:
1. iran (and the vast majority of the islamic world) sees israel as a threat, and conciders every israeli move an aggressive one, just as israel preceives the islamic world. therefor, iran's president (after hearing and reading his name so many times - i still don't know how to spell it. then again - the same goes for dave a's last name, and he's the best PJ drummer ever...), from his point of view, would justifiably consider his provoking acts as reaction to something israel has done. that's the problem with political conflicts - everyone seems to be right, yet everyone is actually wrong.
2. i really do hope it's just for nuclear energy, because - well - the other option is too much for me to consider.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/pearljam_to_israel/index.html
10/03/05 philadelphia
05/09/06 toronto
05/10/06 toronto
06/01/06 e. rutherford
06/03/06 e. rutherford
09/30/06 athens
06/12/07 munich
ok....what do you want to do about it...?
it doesn't make sense for it to just be for civilian energy consumption. iran has the world's largest reserve of natural gas. they could get by on natural gas for several centuries before running out. nuclear power is more expensive, worse for the environment, and more dangerous, given the risk of a meltdown. they want the bomb.
Most antizionists are antisemites