So now that Iran has clearly violated International Law...

Last Exodus
Last Exodus Posts: 782
edited February 2007 in A Moving Train
Is the United States going to continue to be the bad guy here? All diplomatic means are being used, and the Iranians continue to be belligerent. When Saddaam flouted the UN at least we gave him no fly zones and sanctions that really hurt. Well see what the UN does this time...My guess...NADA.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/21/iran.nuclear/index.html
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  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    Maybe Iran can bargain to have their inspectors go to Israel to check out what they are up to. Can't trust one without the other being trusted. Why don't all the fucking supposed do right, power nations, open up for inspection and show the world they really mean business.

    Somehow with Pakistan having their finger on a button the world isn't a safe place anyhow. But all you people who love the fact that they are an ally of the US seem to overlook what the main religion is there and how little power the army brass who heads the state really dosen't have.


    Waa waa waa, they said they would wipe out a country.

    Waa,waa waa, they already have dropped bombs on a country.
    You've changed your place in this world!
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    The Iranians are pushing limits precisely because they can ... The U.S. cannot afford to use military force at this time, so they are basically seeing what they can get away with. I personally find the country's politics and approach to religion absolutely loathesome, but I am willing to concede that Iran may very well be all bark and no bite. They'd be a pile of molten sand if they attacked Israel, even if they do manage to develop more chemical weapons, or nukes. We have to pay some attention to Iran, but maybe we shouldn't pay more attention than they deserve ... That president of theirs' seems to thrive on media attention.
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    Last Exodus wrote:
    Is the United States going to continue to be the bad guy here? All diplomatic means are being used, and the Iranians continue to be belligerent. When Saddaam flouted the UN at least we gave him no fly zones and sanctions that really hurt. Well see what the UN does this time...My guess...NADA.

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/21/iran.nuclear/index.html

    hmmm.. all diplomatic means are being used.. well, maybe not ALL.. since the United States refuses to talk to Iran about anything at all...

    I suppose that can be considered all diplomatic means if you desire war.
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Abuskedti wrote:
    hmmm.. all diplomatic means are being used.. well, maybe not ALL.. since the United States refuses to talk to Iran about anything at all...

    I suppose that can be considered all diplomatic means if you desire war.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    reborncareerist wrote:
    The Iranians are pushing limits precisely because they can ... The U.S. cannot afford to use military force at this time, so they are basically seeing what they can get away with. I personally find the country's politics and approach to religion absolutely loathesome, but I am willing to concede that Iran may very well be all bark and no bite. They'd be a pile of molten sand if they attacked Israel, even if they do manage to develop more chemical weapons, or nukes. We have to pay some attention to Iran, but maybe we shouldn't pay more attention than they deserve ... That president of theirs' seems to thrive on media attention.

    I have come to agree with this too. Iran has no defense against Israel and US military power.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Last Exodus wrote:
    Is the United States going to continue to be the bad guy here? All diplomatic means are being used, and the Iranians continue to be belligerent. When Saddaam flouted the UN at least we gave him no fly zones and sanctions that really hurt. Well see what the UN does this time...My guess...NADA.

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/21/iran.nuclear/index.html

    isn't it funny that when it comes to the US or israel violating international law ppl say they can't tell us what to do! and how the un has no credibility! you can't have it both ways, guys, sorry :(

    like when we the world court said we violated international law in our mining nicaragua's harbors and bombing them into the stone age...ppl here said we don't have to follow international law and they can't tell us what to do...huh
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Abuskedti wrote:
    hmmm.. all diplomatic means are being used.. well, maybe not ALL.. since the United States refuses to talk to Iran about anything at all...

    I suppose that can be considered all diplomatic means if you desire war.

    Exactly. And so the spiral of U.S violence and bully tactics continues.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    El_Kabong wrote:
    isn't it funny that when it comes to the US or israel violating international law ppl say they can't tell us what to do! and how the un has no credibility! you can't have it both ways, guys, sorry :(

    like when we the world court said we violated international law in our mining nicaragua's harbors and bombing them into the stone age...ppl here said we don't have to follow international law and they can't tell us what to do...huh

    So you're basically saying that the UN ignores violations of international law all around? I basically agree, they are ineffectual. Half of their resources are devoted to harassing Israel, and the other half are devoted to ... Hmmm ... I'm not even sure. What the hell does the UN do, really? :)
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Exactly. And so the spiral of U.S violence and bully tactics continues.
    US isnt the only bully on the block. Iranian prez fits the bill just fine
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    we need to blow them to hell before they become more advanced. why wait until they can destroy countries?
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Exactly. And so the spiral of U.S violence and bully tactics continues.

    Is it bullying if the kid getting slapped down is really mouthy and constantly making threats? These aren't really victim behaviors.
  • Rue D'Awakening
    Rue D'Awakening Posts: 143
    even flow? wrote:
    Maybe Iran can bargain to have their inspectors go to Israel to check out what they are up to. Can't trust one without the other being trusted.

    Israel's nuclear arsenal has been the Middle East's worst kept secret for decades; yet it hasn't provoked an Arab nuclear arms race--unlike the Iranian nuclear program. The reason is that the Arab world knew that we wouldn't use the bomb unless we ourselves faced imminent destruction. The Sunnis appear to be no less "paranoid" about a nuclear Iran than the Jews.

    How can you ignore the statement by former Iranian President Hashemi Rafsanjani that it is "not irrational" to contemplate a nuclear war that would destroy Israel but would only damage the Muslim world? Or the statement by Ahmadinejad to Kofi Annan that a third world war is coming and Iran is going to win it?
    or "We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let this land [Iran] burn. I say let this land go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world. "
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Good for Iran for ignoring UN resolutions. Bad for Iran that they're doing so for corrupt, violent, and basically ridiculous reasons.
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    reborncareerist wrote:
    The Iranians are pushing limits precisely because they can ... The U.S. cannot afford to use military force at this time, so they are basically seeing what they can get away with. I personally find the country's politics and approach to religion absolutely loathesome, but I am willing to concede that Iran may very well be all bark and no bite. They'd be a pile of molten sand if they attacked Israel, even if they do manage to develop more chemical weapons, or nukes. We have to pay some attention to Iran, but maybe we shouldn't pay more attention than they deserve ... That president of theirs' seems to thrive on media attention.

    sounds right
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    reborncareerist wrote:
    The Iranians are pushing limits precisely because they can ... The U.S. cannot afford to use military force at this time, so they are basically seeing what they can get away with. I personally find the country's politics and approach to religion absolutely loathesome, but I am willing to concede that Iran may very well be all bark and no bite. They'd be a pile of molten sand if they attacked Israel, even if they do manage to develop more chemical weapons, or nukes. We have to pay some attention to Iran, but maybe we shouldn't pay more attention than they deserve ... That president of theirs' seems to thrive on media attention.

    That's what I think as well. Regardless of how crazy or fanatical he is, he has to realize that any attack on Israel would lead to all hell raining down on him and his country.
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  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    jlew24asu wrote:
    US isnt the only bully on the block. Iranian prez fits the bill just fine

    this is so common and such a really bad arguement..

    Please remember we tend not to judge our successes and failures based upon other countries for which we have no respect....
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    Abuskedti wrote:
    hmmm.. all diplomatic means are being used.. well, maybe not ALL.. since the United States refuses to talk to Iran about anything at all...

    I suppose that can be considered all diplomatic means if you desire war.


    What is it WE are supposed to be negotiating with and for? The IAEA and UN are tasked with the job of inspections and enforcing UN resolutions. Since we have nothing to offer Iran, unlike the situation in North Korea, what is it you think the US has to gain or lose from unilateral talks? This is the UN's job at the moment. That is, if they still have a job.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Abuskedti wrote:
    this is so common and such a really bad arguement..

    Please remember we tend not to judge our successes and failures based upon other countries for which we have no respect....

    so in other words its ok for Iran to act like an asshole
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    reborncareerist wrote:
    The Iranians are pushing limits precisely because they can ... The U.S. cannot afford to use military force at this time, so they are basically seeing what they can get away with. I personally find the country's politics and approach to religion absolutely loathesome, but I am willing to concede that Iran may very well be all bark and no bite. They'd be a pile of molten sand if they attacked Israel, even if they do manage to develop more chemical weapons, or nukes. We have to pay some attention to Iran, but maybe we shouldn't pay more attention than they deserve ... That president of theirs' seems to thrive on media attention.

    I agree with you basically - with the charactorization of their approach to the religion - which is essentially none of our business

    The whole Iran crisis is one of our perception..

    which is akin to "all in our head"
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Good for Iran for ignoring UN resolutions. Bad for Iran that they're doing so for corrupt, violent, and basically ridiculous reasons.

    you're kidding right? if iran can do it; then north korea should have the same benefits; as well as any other country wanting to build nuclear weapons.

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