well there are SOME people that think America has great qualities

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  • SweetHarmonics
    SweetHarmonics Posts: 290
    old and in the way wrote:
    So true jlew, it amazes me that fellow American citizens can actually believe that the leaders of this country will wake up in the morning and think how they can plot and plan- put countless lives in danger- exercise military force- just to put $$ in their and their friends pockets. Sure their are evil people in the world but get real .

    WTF?

    Ever heard of the military-industrial complex warning that Eisenhower gave in his farewell address?

    It's a reality and has been for decades now. To spin it any other way comes off as naive nationalism.
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    jlew24asu wrote:
    again, they dont scare or intimidate me. they will in no way effect my life or make it worse. these people that scare you have been around a long time. get over it

    You wonder why the terrorists hate us? It's not because, "they hate us simply by being Americans", it is because of Americans plans like the PNAC that are being carried out.
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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    jlew24asu wrote:
    again, they dont scare or intimidate me. they will in no way effect my life or make it worse. these people that scare you have been around a long time. get over it

    you don't see anything wrong w/ the statement:
    "In non-defense areas, we must account sufficiently for the interests of the advanced industrial nations to discourage them from challenging our leadership or seeking to overturn the established political and economic order. We must maintain the mechanism for deterring potential competitors from even aspiring to a larger regional or global role."


    what do ya reckon they mean by economic order? sounds like 'don't ask for a bigger piece, it's all mine!'
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Puck78
    Puck78 Posts: 737
    jlew24asu wrote:
    "American leadership is good both for America and for the world"
    "such leadership requires military strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle"
    being Italian this doesn't make me feel really safe...
    If an European leader, let's say even Blair (that is still the leader of the more atlantic-style government in Europe), would state "UK leadership is good both for UK and for the world" here we would all be rolling in the ground for the laughters... it amazes me that there in the USA you have people taking seriously such statements...
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  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    Puck78 wrote:
    being Italian this doesn't make me feel really safe...
    If an European leader, let's say even Blair (that is still the leader of the more atlantic-style government in Europe), would state "UK leadership is good both for UK and for the world" here we would all be rolling in the ground for the laughters... it amazes me that there in the USA you have people taking seriously such statements...

    There are way too many stupid assholes in this country.
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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    jlew24asu wrote:
    thats kinda funny. on a serious note, I seem to be one of the few here who believe the title of your thread.

    patriotism is the virtue of the vicious- wilde/connery
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    macgyver06 wrote:
    patriotism is the virtue of the vicious- wilde/connery


    and "the last vestige of scoundrels" forgot who, maybe twain?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    macgyver06 wrote:
    patriotism is the virtue of the vicious- wilde/connery


    I guess that makes me one vicious son of bitch huh.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    ledvedderman wrote:
    You wonder why the terrorists hate us? It's not because, "they hate us simply by being Americans", it is because of Americans plans like the PNAC that are being carried out.


    I never said I claim to follow the creed of the PNAC. and for the record, I dont. I believe "they hate us" because we back Israel and threaten to take away the way of life according to the quran.
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I guess that makes me one vicious son of bitch huh.

    he speaks that someone claiming patriotism is not concerned about the world's needs and man as a whole.. but rather only seeks to fufill his own affairs when crying for patriotism, rather than just the hint of acceptance..

    you can be a patriot and not be patriotic nowadays..so nothing wrong with that.
  • negationist
    negationist Posts: 237
    I'm not one of those people mentioned in the title. And I'm not even going to go into why. Just too much typing involved. Nuff said.
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  • old and in the way
    old and in the way Posts: 62
    SweetHarmonics wrote:
    WTF?

    Ever heard of the military-industrial complex warning that Eisenhower gave in his farewell address?

    It's a reality and has been for decades now. To spin it any other way comes off as naive nationalism.

    Sure I've heard of it, have been since the sixties. It's always been a buzz word for anyone who wants to criticize those companies who do business with our DOD. Not naive my friend, probably a nationalist though as I have a stake in the future of my country and my family and the citizens of the world
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    negationist wrote:
    I'm not one of those people mentioned in the title. And I'm not even going to go into why. Just too much typing involved. Nuff said.


    thanks for not sharing. im serious. please dont. you will only waste everyones time.
  • Infinity_Now
    Infinity_Now Posts: 188
    jlew24asu wrote:
    thats kinda funny. on a serious note, I seem to be one of the few here who believe the title of your thread.

    Just because the people who don't agree with you are at moments motivated to speak out against total deceits and injustices that are likely to spread in any government - doesn't mean they are against you or your country.

    I <3 free speach. But I hate when it's taken away.
  • rigneyclan
    rigneyclan Posts: 289
    El_Kabong wrote:
    they even state:
    Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor.

    hmm...
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Bush and Osama are buddies.

    I won't say one is worse than the other, but they are both bad.

    Sorry to offend all the flag-waving morons.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Bush and Osama are buddies.

    I won't say one is worse than the other, but they are both bad.

    Sorry to offend all the flag-waving morons.


    falg waving morons? who exactly do you think you are. you above all americans cuz you hate our country?
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    jlew24asu wrote:
    falg waving morons? who exactly do you think you are. you above all americans cuz you hate our country?

    I don't hate your country, I hate your values.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I don't hate your country, I hate your values.


    whew!!! well I sure am glad you arent an american.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    jlew24asu wrote:
    whew!!! well I sure am glad you arent an american.

    I'm one better, I'm a Canadian :p
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