Obama keeps stepping in it

slightofjeff wrote:

She pressed to have a state trooper fired just because he was divorcing Palin's sister. (Actually, the trooper had been caught drinking and driving in his squad car on more than one occasion, and once tased a 10-year-old boy).

She banned books from the Wasilla library. (No, she didn't).

She is for abstinence-only sex-ed. (She's for abstinence-BASED sex-ed, and has said she has no problem teaching other forms of contraception in addtion to abstinence.)

She charged the state of Alaska to work from home. (No, she didn't. She charged a per diem that came out to about $7 a head in her household, but did not charge the state a "lodging fee" like so many are indicating. In fact, Palin charged the state 80 percent less in expenses than did her predecessor).

She only wants to teach creationism in public schools (No, she doesn't).

She said the Iraq was was a mission from God (No, she didn't).

To name a few ...

Look, I don't neccesarily blame Obama for this stuff. It's politics, and unfortunately, you do what you have to do -- even if it means distorting the facts.

Both sides do it. I just think it's disingenuous to suggest it's only coming from one side.

Ok.. first of all the things you are citing as spread by Obama have spread over the internet and media reports.. not Obama.. in what speech or ad has one of those been mentioned?

Now on to your examples..

*She did in fact fire the man who was over her ex-brother in law.. there is an open investigation on that one. He was fired because he reused to fire ex brother in law.

*She most certainly INQUIRED about books that she wanted banned.. sorry even the McCain campaign can't deny it. She also threatened the librarian with her dismissal when she would not back down. After many people backed the librarian she was the one who backed down.

*I have no idea what she charged the state of Alaska and really do not care...

*Where exactly are you getting this info on her sex ed plan? Sources? From what I understand she is an adamantly abstinence only kind of thinker.

The rest of your facts.. sources would be real great because I think you are just pulling them out of your ass, sorry to say. She is on video saying the Iraq war is god's plan.

He said what has the Obama campaign put out because you said Obama (and his campaign) has said these things about her, quite simply I ask you to prove it. Where has the Obama campaign said she banned books? This is like saying the McCain campaign has directly accused Obama of being a Muslim. Although it's slimy, I cannot hold McCain accountable for the viral musings of some conservatives; how do you hold Obama accountable for freaky left-wingers?....I'll address the few of these things that are untrue, primarily the task that is from God.

First of all, regarding Palin saying that the Iraq war was a mission from God. I believe this is the full quote; ""Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan."

"A task that is from God." How is that not saying it is a mission from God? I don't understand how this could be spun.

Also, sleightofjeff, read this article if you get a chance: http://www.slate.com/id/2199923/ There is a difference between the radicals of the spectrum get all riled up and when a presidential campaign lies spectacularly and outright. How do you explain the lies of the McCain campaign documented in that article, and show me the same blatant lies on the Obama campaign? You can't, because this time there aren't two sides to this coin. The problem is that, as always, McCain will get away with it, because there's so much traffic and information on the Internet, who's to say what's the truth and what's a lie? (even though there are many things that are true and are lies).

slightofjeff wrote:

She pressed to have a state trooper fired just because he was divorcing Palin's sister. (Actually, the trooper had been caught drinking and driving in his squad car on more than one occasion, and once tased a 10-year-old boy).

She banned books from the Wasilla library. (No, she didn't).

She is for abstinence-only sex-ed. (She's for abstinence-BASED sex-ed, and has said she has no problem teaching other forms of contraception in addtion to abstinence.)

She charged the state of Alaska to work from home. (No, she didn't. She charged a per diem that came out to about $7 a head in her household, but did not charge the state a "lodging fee" like so many are indicating. In fact, Palin charged the state 80 percent less in expenses than did her predecessor).

She only wants to teach creationism in public schools (No, she doesn't).

She said the Iraq was was a mission from God (No, she didn't).

To name a few ...

Look, I don't neccesarily blame Obama for this stuff. It's politics, and unfortunately, you do what you have to do -- even if it means distorting the facts.

Both sides do it. I just think it's disingenuous to suggest it's only coming from one side.

This is a very desperate and contradictory move on Obama's part and could signal the end of his campaign. The guy who claimed he would "change the tone" in this election is now doing the same thing every other politician does. His house of cards is falling down. What do McCain's computer skills have to do with anything?

This isn't some BS 527 ad either this is a "I'm Barack Hussein Obama and I approve this message" ad.

darthvedder81 wrote:

This is a very desperate and contradictory move on Obama's part and could signal the end of his campaign. The guy who claimed he would "change the tone" in this election is now doing the same thing every other politician does. His house of cards is falling down. What do McCain's computer skills have to do with anything?

This isn't some BS 527 ad either this is a "I'm Barack Hussein Obama and I approve this message" ad.

No this is desperate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH0xzsogzAk

Smellyman wrote:

If you can't use a computer, you are out of touch of today's reality and not fit to lead. The modern world revolves around computers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R9wnMVZE_Q

If McCain can tie his shoes and sign his name etc. he can use a mouse.

In all honesty it depends what you do for a living. I have friends that don't have computers, don't touch them and couldn't tell you anything about them. Hell some of them don't have cell phones. They are my age ranging from 30-39 ( I am 34). Some of them have kids and they only use school computers. So baically what I am saying not everyone needs to use or have computers.

However, McCain should be able to do something on a computer and I am sure he does basic things. But then again, that is what his staff is for. Good to know that he won't be surfing the net for porn when he is in the White House.

Smellyman wrote:

No this is desperate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH0xzsogzAk

Oh noooooo!!!! Not FACTS!!! Anything but those!!!

slightofjeff wrote:

His latest ad criticizes McCain for not being able to use a computer or answer his own email. Obviously, they are trying to paint him as a doddering old man.

I think this one might backfire, though.

You know why McCain can't use a computer? Because he was beaten mercilessly by the Viet Cong and can't lift his arms.

It mentions it in this 2000 Boston Globe article: http://graphics.boston.com/news/politics/campaign2000/news/McCain_character_loyal_to_a_fault+.shtml

Jesus, you'd think if Obama's people were so computer-savvy, they would learn how to work Google. This is going to make them look pretty bad, I think, basically making fun of a crippled war vet.

Next, Joe Biden will go around telling guys in wheelchairs they need to stand up. Oh wait, that already happened, too ...

Anyway, as I've mentioned elsewhere, this election is still Obama's to lose. He just seems to be going out of his way to lose it.

try again.....

I have pictures of him lifting his arms. You repubs are fucking insane with this shit.
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20080911/2008_09_10t132546_372x450_us_usa_politics.jpg?x=285&y=345&q=85&sig=7aysEv_q3HNOZiWjh9RY9g--

slightofjeff wrote:

I guess you believe none of these things were done without Obama's tacit approval? You think none of this stuff was churned up by the 30 lawyers, muckrackers and private investigators his team sent to Alaska the day she was nominated?

As we learned from the Swift Boaters in 2004, just because it is not your candidate actually saying these things doesn't mean your candidate doesn't quietly approve.

I believe Obama's folks are feeding a lot of this stuff to the media. You obviously don't. Maybe that makes me cynical. Maybe it makes you naive. I dunno.

What I do know is very little of what has been said about Sarah Palin has been true. And you know, I don't mind if there are political disagreements with her ... if you want to believe she really had nothing to do with stoppign the Bridge to Nowhere, fine. That's a legitimate position to take.

But some of the personal shit they spew about her is really revolting. And, frankly, it isn't helping the Obama campaign.

but the point remains mccain has aggressively and personally released and "approved" a number of recklessly false smear ads. obama has not. hell, i've been hoping obama would, because as you pointed out, that swift boat stuff (launched by mccain's campaign manager, coincidence?) works. so obama finally got into the game with this lame computer thing (which i'm not buying as selling what you say it is, but we'll accept it for the sake of argument) and suddenly you're up in arms, after looking the other way for weeks while mccain played the slimiest politics i've ever seen.